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post Nov 22 2023, 04:41 PM, updated 3y ago

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Jail for member of syndicate that won S$433,730 at MBS casino by using baccarat 'formula'

Tan Kian Yi, a 35-year-old Malaysian, was sentenced to three years and four months' jail on Wednesday (Nov 22).

The court heard that Tan, a sales manager, was part of a syndicate comprising five other members from Malaysia and Taiwan.

He first met two of them - Hung Yu-Wen and Chou Yu-Lun, a couple from Taiwan - in the Philippines in August 2022.

Hung asked Tan if he was interested in winning money in a game of baccarat. She knew Tan had an interest in card counting and that he had attended a class on advantage play in 2019.

The class was held in Taipei, and taught people how to count cards, how the interior of a shuffler machine looked like and how it worked.

Hung then told Tan that she was going to Singapore to do a survey on how the game of 7UP Baccarat was played at the Marina Bay Sands casino.

Tan agreed to join her there, as he wanted to learn how to win money through the game.

In October 2022, Tan and the couple met in Singapore, staying at the MBS hotel and visiting the casino to observe how the game was played.

They met a month later at a casino in Manila, where Hung told Tan she had a formula that could enable them to win the game.

The formula was developed by a man she called her "teacher", and the syndicate intended to use this formula to skew the odds of the game in its favour.

Hung showed Tan the formula on her laptop. It was in the form of an Excel sheet, and Hung showed Tan how to use it.

She gave him a set of codes to memorise, referring to the values and suits of the cards in the game. She also told Tan that he should key the codes into the sheet after someone else transmitted the information to him.

To use the formula, the syndicate would need someone to transmit information on the cards dealt to the person operating the formula, who would key in the values into the Excel sheet.

The formula would then predict and generate the game's next outcome.

At this, Tan asked if his friend, 45-year-old Malaysian Chai Hee Keong, could join the syndicate.

Hung agreed and promised to give Tan and Chai 20 per cent of the syndicate's winnings.

She created a group chat on LINE, with a Chinese name that described a "work group" in Singapore.

The chat was used to keep track of how much capital each syndicate member started off with, the time they clocked in and out at the table, as well as the winnings or losses made.

The group arrived in Singapore in December 2022 to execute their plan. They were assigned roles to play – ranging from a marksman, a sorcerer, a tank and an auxiliary.

Tan was both a marksman and a tank. In the first role, he would be stationed in a hotel room where he received information that he keyed into the formula and told the sorcerer how to bet.

The sorcerer was a female member of the syndicate who wore Bluetooth-connected earphones hidden by her long hair, so she could communicate with the marksman.

Tan's second role involved him placing high bets at the table based on instructions relayed to him by the sorcerer.

Each of the syndicate's members started off with S$100,000 worth casino chips.

Over several days in December 2022, they received winnings from their games using their scheme. At one point, one of the other members wanted to know how the formula worked as he felt very impressed by it, but Hung did not want to share the specifics with him.

Between Dec 16 and Dec 23 last year, casino employees began to take notice of the syndicate's conduct, by going through closed-circuit television footage.

On Dec 24, 2022, one of the members went alone to the casino to gamble. He was taken to a room by security officers and the police later arrested him.

Source: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/f...-casino-3938776

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imagine those that follow their bet on that day also dapat
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Deswai don’t be greedy.

Keep delay until hit the enrage timer, gg liao.
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lol the news article itself mcm police interrogation. damn detailed
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Why SG casino now can jail card counter ? It is not cheat but calculation
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post Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM

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But how is this illegal?
Is not cheating?
Just computation of higher probability of winning wor
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Even I never step foot in casino, I know that there are bunch of cctv aroynd and high tech sensors that can narrow down a cheater.

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QUOTE(Left4Dead2 @ Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM)
Why SG casino now can jail card counter ? It is not cheat but calculation
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You can lose but you cannot win concept.
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM)
Even I never step foot in casino, I know that there are bunch of cctv aroynd and high tech sensors that can narrow down a cheater.

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This is not cheating, it is only using Excel sheet to predict higher chance of winning. Even using Excel sheet, there is still chance of losing money.
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huat ah
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Reminds me of that movie 21.

Genius kid in card counting in Blackjack with teammates going in to survey and setting up the floor for him

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House always win mah

You know the system is rigged and law will side house if shit hit the fan, then you either win a few then withdraw and come back another day.
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QUOTE(mpyw @ Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM)
But how is this illegal?
Is not cheating?
Just computation of higher probability of winning wor
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afaik can calculate mentally but not assisted with computer/tech
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QUOTE(atmosthere @ Nov 22 2023, 04:51 PM)
lol the news article itself mcm police interrogation. damn detailed
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all reporter shifted to court section,

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Nabeh, casino skew the odds in their favour, all ok

Gambler defeat their skewed games, tabouli itu sarahan

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QUOTE(Left4Dead2 @ Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM)
Why SG casino now can jail card counter ? It is not cheat but calculation
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ada tengok movie ni?
Being a smart is a sin. Orang bijik mati awal, that y need to buat bodo to keep living.
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QUOTE(mpyw @ Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM)
But how is this illegal?
Is not cheating?
Just computation of higher probability of winning wor
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Because you're using technology to count cards. Which is illegal. That's why even go genting they dont allowed you to use phone at gambling table.
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illegal meh...?

next time dont stay in their hotel

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i always thought the deck of card in the shuffler is randomly placed, how the heck calculation work?
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Why casino so small gas, just let people calculate lah. Then you counter with more advanced technique, cilaka what's wrong to calculate
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QUOTE(Chowda @ Nov 22 2023, 05:55 PM)
Reminds me of that movie 21.

Genius kid in card counting in Blackjack with teammates going in to survey and setting up the floor for him
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Based on real story bro. MIT 6 or whatever I forgot and main counter is Asian.
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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ Nov 22 2023, 04:59 PM)
i always thought the deck of card in the shuffler is randomly placed, how the heck calculation work?
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The cards in the shuffler should be fixed numbers and types.

Once they start counting, the probability of the cards coming out will gradually clearer?
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QUOTE(Prometric @ Nov 22 2023, 04:58 PM)
Because you're using technology to count cards. Which is illegal. That's why even go genting they dont allowed you to use phone at gambling table.
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I remember bacarat got those cards where you can write down who the winner for each round. Same for roulete. So that is ok but using excel is not?

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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM)
Even I never step foot in casino, I know that there are bunch of cctv aroynd and high tech sensors that can narrow down a cheater.

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You are correct. They even track regular customer and how much each one spent. My boss usually get complementary hotel room to stay. laugh.gif
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Why is this a crime? He can be banned from casions but jail? On what crime?
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QUOTE(Left4Dead2 @ Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM)
Why SG casino now can jail card counter ? It is not cheat but calculation
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QUOTE(mpyw @ Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM)
But how is this illegal?
Is not cheating?
Just computation of higher probability of winning wor
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QUOTE(MPIK @ Nov 22 2023, 04:53 PM)
This is not cheating, it is only using Excel sheet to predict higher chance of winning. Even using Excel sheet, there is still chance of losing money.
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Section 171 of the Casino Control Act for using a device to count or record cards dealt in a casino game.

is a SG law

so for SG..is cheating..
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM)
Even I never step foot in casino, I know that there are bunch of cctv aroynd and high tech sensors that can narrow down a cheater.

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It's not cheating

It's advantage play, lowering the house advantage and increase your own chances of winning
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Yes, they break the rules of using technology to "cheat", the casino can only ban them right? How is it related to any crime?
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QUOTE(Left4Dead2 @ Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM)
Why SG casino now can jail card counter ? It is not cheat but calculation
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Because they actively use the Excel spreadsheet to cheat, its not card counting.

Read la the article...
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Nov 22 2023, 05:04 PM)
I remember bacarat got those cards where you can write down who the winner for each round. Same for roulete. So that is ok but using excel is not?
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I think their excel formula is to keep track their 8 decks cards output for 2-3 rounds. Then key in the card details with the shuffling calculation to predict the next batch of shuffled cards outcome.

Different from roulette
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QUOTE(MPIK @ Nov 22 2023, 04:53 PM)
This is not cheating, it is only using Excel sheet to predict higher chance of winning. Even using Excel sheet, there is still chance of losing money.
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If you use the spreadsheet in your head, then I agree with you it's not cheating.

If you are sending info to another party to key in to a spreadsheet, and that person relays info back to you at the table.... how is that not cheating?
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QUOTE(sykz @ Nov 22 2023, 05:03 PM)
Based on real story bro. MIT 6 or whatever I forgot and main counter is Asian.
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Oh is it? Well normal people like us can only dream to do that
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Nov 22 2023, 05:07 PM)
Section 171 of the Casino Control Act for using a device to count or record cards dealt in a casino game.

is a SG law

so for SG..is cheating..
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What about genting? Got such law? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Left4Dead2 @ Nov 22 2023, 05:52 PM)
Why SG casino now can jail card counter ? It is not cheat but calculation
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Because used of technology like bluetooth earphones

That consider cheating in casino

However, if you can memorise the formula without using excel, you will only be invited politely by the casino security to not come to their casino again, or get get blacklisted Or Non Persona Ex-gratia against you by casino
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Nov 22 2023, 05:08 PM)
Yes, they break the rules of using technology to "cheat", the casino can only ban them right? How is it related to any crime?
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Because it is the law under Casino Control Act in SG la
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QUOTE(mpyw @ Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM)
But how is this illegal?
Is not cheating?
Just computation of higher probability of winning wor
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My guess. Aided by way of a device. I think if minus the b/tooth cummunication, no case then

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They were assigned roles to play – ranging from a marksman, a sorcerer, a tank and an auxiliary.

Ingat main game ke? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Nov 22 2023, 05:10 PM)
What about genting? Got such law?  biggrin.gif
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mayb can try at genting laugh.gif
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What about genting? Got such law?  biggrin.gif
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Why SG casino now can jail card counter ? It is not cheat but calculation
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moral of the story is, if you have a winning formula, dont use it for a week straight.
do 1or 2 nights, leave. come back 2 months down the road, repeat.
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QUOTE(Left4Dead2 @ Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM)
Why SG casino now can jail card counter ? It is not cheat but calculation
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At one point, one of the other members wanted to know how the formula worked as he felt very impressed by it, but Hung did not want to share the specifics with him.


Lie one lar. Sure pakat with dealer only. But lure that guy to believe they have system. No way can count card or even memorize anything.

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Seems like your system doesn't even have to work. If you're caught recording and card counting, you face jail time and a fine.

In this case, looks like it worked.

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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Nov 22 2023, 05:04 PM)
I remember bacarat got those cards where you can write down who the winner for each round. Same for roulete. So that is ok but using excel is not?
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You how long never step foot in casino liau? Now no need card write down. They got monitor direct display banker or winner for each round. The Excel calc more sophisticated maybe. Maybe can calc and predict the percentage of the cards dealt.
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QUOTE(MPIK @ Nov 22 2023, 04:41 PM)
Jail for member of syndicate that won S$433,730 at MBS casino by using baccarat 'formula'

Tan Kian Yi, a 35-year-old Malaysian, was sentenced to three years and four months' jail on Wednesday (Nov 22).

The court heard that Tan, a sales manager, was part of a syndicate comprising five other members from Malaysia and Taiwan.

He first met two of them - Hung Yu-Wen and Chou Yu-Lun, a couple from Taiwan - in the Philippines in August 2022.

Hung asked Tan if he was interested in winning money in a game of baccarat. She knew Tan had an interest in card counting and that he had attended a class on advantage play in 2019.

The class was held in Taipei, and taught people how to count cards, how the interior of a shuffler machine looked like and how it worked.

Hung then told Tan that she was going to Singapore to do a survey on how the game of 7UP Baccarat was played at the Marina Bay Sands casino.

Tan agreed to join her there, as he wanted to learn how to win money through the game.

In October 2022, Tan and the couple met in Singapore, staying at the MBS hotel and visiting the casino to observe how the game was played.

They met a month later at a casino in Manila, where Hung told Tan she had a formula that could enable them to win the game.

The formula was developed by a man she called her "teacher", and the syndicate intended to use this formula to skew the odds of the game in its favour.

Hung showed Tan the formula on her laptop. It was in the form of an Excel sheet, and Hung showed Tan how to use it.

She gave him a set of codes to memorise, referring to the values and suits of the cards in the game. She also told Tan that he should key the codes into the sheet after someone else transmitted the information to him.

To use the formula, the syndicate would need someone to transmit information on the cards dealt to the person operating the formula, who would key in the values into the Excel sheet.

The formula would then predict and generate the game's next outcome.

At this, Tan asked if his friend, 45-year-old Malaysian Chai Hee Keong, could join the syndicate.

Hung agreed and promised to give Tan and Chai 20 per cent of the syndicate's winnings.

She created a group chat on LINE, with a Chinese name that described a "work group" in Singapore.

The chat was used to keep track of how much capital each syndicate member started off with, the time they clocked in and out at the table, as well as the winnings or losses made.

The group arrived in Singapore in December 2022 to execute their plan. They were assigned roles to play – ranging from a marksman, a sorcerer, a tank and an auxiliary.

Tan was both a marksman and a tank. In the first role, he would be stationed in a hotel room where he received information that he keyed into the formula and told the sorcerer how to bet.

The sorcerer was a female member of the syndicate who wore Bluetooth-connected earphones hidden by her long hair, so she could communicate with the marksman.

Tan's second role involved him placing high bets at the table based on instructions relayed to him by the sorcerer.

Each of the syndicate's members started off with S$100,000 worth casino chips.

Over several days in December 2022, they received winnings from their games using their scheme. At one point, one of the other members wanted to know how the formula worked as he felt very impressed by it, but Hung did not want to share the specifics with him.

Between Dec 16 and Dec 23 last year, casino employees began to take notice of the syndicate's conduct, by going through closed-circuit television footage.

On Dec 24, 2022, one of the members went alone to the casino to gamble. He was taken to a room by security officers and the police later arrested him.

Source: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/f...-casino-3938776

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QUOTE(dawnreaver @ Nov 22 2023, 05:12 PM)
They were assigned roles to play – ranging from a marksman, a sorcerer, a tank and an auxiliary.

Ingat main game ke?  laugh.gif
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marksman = Observer / spy
Sorcerer = the player who plays the betting
tank = Bouncer? bodyguard for the Sorcerer?
auxiliary = support / backup ?
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QUOTE(sykz @ Nov 22 2023, 05:03 PM)
Based on real story bro. MIT 6 or whatever I forgot and main counter is Asian.
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He became a billionaire commodities and stock trader if you're referring to Jim Simons?

Read this book a couple of years ago on a business trip to US: "The Man Who Solved the Market: How Jim Simons Launched the Quant Revolution"
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QUOTE(alex_leo @ Nov 22 2023, 05:09 PM)
I think their excel formula is to keep track their 8 decks cards output for 2-3 rounds. Then key in the card details with the shuffling calculation to predict the next batch of shuffled cards outcome.

Different from roulette
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if someone can write such formula in excel, unless the person knows how many sets of card inside the box


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QUOTE(Left4Dead2 @ Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM)
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Can count cards but not use a device to count or record it. I guess the brain is not classified as a device. laugh.gif
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even as I am typing, some group is doing this act in a table in Genting, but they are smart , they knoe how to pull the brake when target is achieve, even those CCTV duno who are them, sometimes the croupier is also a friendly member.....................
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I wonder why they dont play in online gambling website.

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QUOTE(MPIK @ Nov 22 2023, 05:41 PM)
Jail for member of syndicate that won S$433,730 at MBS casino by using baccarat 'formula'

The formula was developed by a man she called her "teacher", and the syndicate intended to use this formula to skew the odds of the game in its favour.

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QUOTE(jackal1950 @ Nov 22 2023, 05:35 PM)
I wonder why they dont play in online gambling website.
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Same concept as why we don't use online voting during GE
Got it?
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They shouldn't keep going to the same casino. Go to Vegas. One night one casino. Each time different player

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ada tengok movie ni?
Being a smart is a sin. Orang bijik mati awal, that y need to buat bodo to keep living.
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Deswai don’t be greedy.

Keep delay until hit the enrage timer, gg liao.
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Over several days in December 2022, they received winnings from their games using their scheme. At one point, one of the other members wanted to know how the formula worked as he felt very impressed by it, but Hung did not want to share the specifics with him.

Between Dec 16 and Dec 23 last year, casino employees began to take notice of the syndicate's conduct, by going through closed-circuit television footage.

On Dec 24, 2022, one of the members went alone to the casino to gamble. He was taken to a room by security officers and the police later arrested him.
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Jail for member of syndicate that won S$433,730 at MBS casino by using baccarat 'formula'

Tan Kian Yi, a 35-year-old Malaysian, was sentenced to three years and four months' jail on Wednesday (Nov 22).

The court heard that Tan, a sales manager, was part of a syndicate comprising five other members from Malaysia and Taiwan.

He first met two of them - Hung Yu-Wen and Chou Yu-Lun, a couple from Taiwan - in the Philippines in August 2022.

Hung asked Tan if he was interested in winning money in a game of baccarat. She knew Tan had an interest in card counting and that he had attended a class on advantage play in 2019.

The class was held in Taipei, and taught people how to count cards, how the interior of a shuffler machine looked like and how it worked.

Hung then told Tan that she was going to Singapore to do a survey on how the game of 7UP Baccarat was played at the Marina Bay Sands casino.

Tan agreed to join her there, as he wanted to learn how to win money through the game.

In October 2022, Tan and the couple met in Singapore, staying at the MBS hotel and visiting the casino to observe how the game was played.

They met a month later at a casino in Manila, where Hung told Tan she had a formula that could enable them to win the game.

The formula was developed by a man she called her "teacher", and the syndicate intended to use this formula to skew the odds of the game in its favour.

Hung showed Tan the formula on her laptop. It was in the form of an Excel sheet, and Hung showed Tan how to use it.

She gave him a set of codes to memorise, referring to the values and suits of the cards in the game. She also told Tan that he should key the codes into the sheet after someone else transmitted the information to him.

To use the formula, the syndicate would need someone to transmit information on the cards dealt to the person operating the formula, who would key in the values into the Excel sheet.

The formula would then predict and generate the game's next outcome.

At this, Tan asked if his friend, 45-year-old Malaysian Chai Hee Keong, could join the syndicate.

Hung agreed and promised to give Tan and Chai 20 per cent of the syndicate's winnings.

She created a group chat on LINE, with a Chinese name that described a "work group" in Singapore.

The chat was used to keep track of how much capital each syndicate member started off with, the time they clocked in and out at the table, as well as the winnings or losses made.

The group arrived in Singapore in December 2022 to execute their plan. They were assigned roles to play – ranging from a marksman, a sorcerer, a tank and an auxiliary.

Tan was both a marksman and a tank. In the first role, he would be stationed in a hotel room where he received information that he keyed into the formula and told the sorcerer how to bet.

The sorcerer was a female member of the syndicate who wore Bluetooth-connected earphones hidden by her long hair, so she could communicate with the marksman.

Tan's second role involved him placing high bets at the table based on instructions relayed to him by the sorcerer.

Each of the syndicate's members started off with S$100,000 worth casino chips.

Over several days in December 2022, they received winnings from their games using their scheme. At one point, one of the other members wanted to know how the formula worked as he felt very impressed by it, but Hung did not want to share the specifics with him.

Between Dec 16 and Dec 23 last year, casino employees began to take notice of the syndicate's conduct, by going through closed-circuit television footage.

On Dec 24, 2022, one of the members went alone to the casino to gamble. He was taken to a room by security officers and the police later arrested him.

Source: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/f...-casino-3938776

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The syndicate leveraged technology and devices to record cards dealt in the casino, which illegally tilted the odds in its favour," said Deputy Public Prosecutor Ng Shao Yan.


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The syndicate leveraged technology and devices to record cards dealt in the casino, which illegally tilted the odds in its favour," said Deputy Public Prosecutor Ng Shao Yan.
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Lol, Excel sheet is called technology and device? The judge must be sleeping.
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Lie one lar. Sure pakat with dealer only. But lure that guy to believe they have system. No way can count card or even memorize anything.
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Dealer cannot see the poker card one.

You never see the reshuffle machine?


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Casino cheat people of thier money but people cheat Casino kena jail instead
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QUOTE(jblittleboy @ Nov 22 2023, 05:35 PM)
even as I am typing, some group is doing this act in a table in Genting, but they are smart , they knoe how to pull the brake when target is achieve, even those CCTV duno who are them, sometimes the croupier is also a friendly member.....................
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QUOTE(Chowda @ Nov 22 2023, 04:55 PM)
Reminds me of that movie 21.

Genius kid in card counting in Blackjack with teammates going in to survey and setting up the floor for him
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IT IS an almost carbon copy of the movie. Even to the point got caught.
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I remember bacarat got those cards where you can write down who the winner for each round. Same for roulete. So that is ok but using excel is not?
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Because you are counting cards.



How many 1s, 2s, 3s, 4s, 5s, Js, Ks, Qs, etc., are left in the Automatic Card Shuffler?

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As a applied mathematician myself

formula is easy
wat i dont know is the card shuffler mechanism...
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QUOTE(MPIK @ Nov 22 2023, 06:08 PM)
Lol, Excel sheet is called technology and device? The judge must be sleeping.
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it is.

there is also a person feeding all card drawed to host
and then let excel do the math.

same like blackjack.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:13 PM)
Because you couting cards.

How many 1,2,3,4,5,J,K,Q....left in shuffle box..

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unless u already can see the cards and remember all the sequence, or else how you predict also useless. You predict with formula is even worse than you simply bet. Because you simply bet already got 50% chance to winning.

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QUOTE(mpyw @ Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM)
But how is this illegal?
Is not cheating?
Just computation of higher probability of winning wor
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This is illegal in sg casino all along. If you only use your brain power to count cards of course it's not illegal. But if you have rely on external devices like bluetooth devices, computer etc. Then it's obviously illegal.
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:20 PM)
unless u already can see the cards and remember all the sequence, or else how you predict also useless. You predict with formula is even worse than you simply bet. Because you simply bet already got 50% chance to winning.
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There are either 6 or 8 decks of poker cards in one baccarat game. As each poker card is used, it is taken out and set aside.



The card counter starts monitoring the game from the beginning until the cards reach a certain level that is suitable for them. Understand?


Like blackjack

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:23 PM)
There are 6 decks or 8 decks of poker cards in 1 baccarat game.

So any poker card used,they will take out and put aside.

So the card counter start to monitor the game from the beginning.
Until the card left a certain level that is suitable for them.
Understand?
Like blackjack
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The news is bacarat not blackjack. If blackjack got a little bit use only not much. If got use then all online casino tutup kilang adi. Duh
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That's why, you loose no one bet an eye, you win they check CCTV.

Few days of work only half a mil ..... if I syndicate I would have keep loosing small small then win one super large one and all gang flee in different direction fast. The winner must be able to eat a bit of torture just in case they instead of give you money try to bring you into a dark room.
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this is the issue with all this Casino... they all using math to win our money, but when we used math to win back suddenly it is illegal.
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The news is bacarat not blackjack. If blackjack got a little bit use only not much. If got use then all online casino tutup kilang adi. Duh
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Online casinos cannot be believed.

Scenario Player Cards Banker Cards Player Total Banker Total Result
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1 J, J, 8 4, 6 ,1 8 1 Player Win
5 J, J, 4 6, 8 ,1 4 5 Banker Win
3 7, 5, 8 9, 6, 4 0 (or 20) 9 Banker Win
4 7, 5, 4 9, 6, 8 6 (or 16) 3 Player Win






| | Player's Third Card Rules | Banker's Third Card Rules
**Total Points** **Action** **Total Points** **Action**
0-5 Player must draw a third card. 0-2 Banker must draw a third card.
6-7 Player must stand (no third card). 3-6 Decision depends on whether the Player drew a third card and its value.
8-9 Player must stand (no third card). 7 Banker must stand (no third card).
8-9 Natural win; no third card is drawn.
6 or more (No draw) Rule #1 applies to the Banker.
Third Card for If Player draws a third card, the Banker draws or stands based on the Player’s total and the value of the Player’s third card.




**Additional Baccarat Banker's Third Card Rules:**

- Banker must stand if the banker hand has a total of either 6 or 7.
- A total of 8 or 9 is a natural win; no extra cards are needed.
- Even if the player stands, the banker hand will draw a third card if the total is between 0 - 5.




- If the player hand has received a third card, the banker hand will draw cards according to the following rules:



- Total points equal to 2: Banker draws a third card.
- Total points equal to 3: Banker draws if the player's third card is not 8.
- Total points equal to 4: Banker draws based on the player's third card.
- Total points equal to 5: Banker draws based on the player's third card (6 or 7).
- Total points equal to 6: Banker draws if the player's third card is 6 or 7.

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not so Ocean's..should go to whitejack
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Online casinos cannot be believed.

Scenario Player Cards Banker Cards Player Total Banker Total Result     
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1        J, J, 8      6, 9 ,1    8 (or 18)    6 (or 16)    Player Win 
5        J, J, 6      9, 8 ,1    6            8            Player Win 
3        7, 5, 8      9, 6, 4      0 (or 20)    9            Banker Win 
4        7, 5, 4      9, 6, 8      6 (or 16)    3            Player Win 
                    Player's Third Card Rules                                            Banker's Third Card Rules                                                 
**Total Points**    **Action**                                                          **Total Points**                                                            **Action**                                                                 
0-5                Player must draw a third card.                                      0-2                                                                          Banker must draw a third card.                                             
6-7                Player must stand (no third card).                                  3-6                                                                          Decision depends on whether the Player drew a third card and its value.     
8-9                Player must stand (no third card).                                  7                                                                            Banker must stand (no third card).                                         
                                                                                        8-9                                                                          Natural win; no third card is drawn.                                       
6 or more (No draw) Rule #1 applies to the Banker.                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Third Card for                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Player              If Player draws a third card, the Banker draws or stands based on the Player’s total and the value of the Player’s third card.     
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Aplj scenario 5
Player 6 banker 8 but player win?
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at most the casino will ban the players. what law did he break exactly?
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at most the casino will ban the players. what law did he break exactly?
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Casino Control Act for using a device to count or record cards dealt in games at the casino last.
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Casino Control Act for using a device to count or record cards dealt in games at the casino last.
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Pickering casino dealer accused of cheating with players; 4 people charged
16 Aug 2023 — Four GTA residents are facing dozens of charges after a table dealer at Pickering Casino Resort allegedly cheated with a group of players.


Most probably this dude is a scapegoat only to make him to believe there is system to calculate for winning especially he does not even know how the system works.
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Last time Genting casino got provide paper and pencil for bet to count or track openly
Now kecut
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Last time Genting casino got provide paper and pencil for bet to count or track openly
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Yeah where's that excel sheet?
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this is the issue with all this Casino... they all using math to win our money, but when we used math to win back suddenly it is illegal.
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Online casinos cannot be believed.
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Why SG casino now can jail card counter ? It is not cheat but calculation
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They used own devices to record cards, not brain to count cards !

There are very CLEAR rules stated that player can't use player's own devices to play the game !
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Now still can
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There are very CLEAR rules stated that player can't use player's OWN devices to play the game !

Pencil and paper provided by genting, so it is allowable ! LOL
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Casino Control Act for using a device to count or record cards dealt in games at the casino last.
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This is the specific part

172A.—(1) A person must not, in relation to the playing of any game in a casino, obtain or attempt to obtain any money or advantage for himself or herself or any other person —
(a) by a fraudulent trick, device, sleight of hand or representation;
(b) by a fraudulent scheme or practice;
© by the fraudulent use of gaming equipment or any other thing; or
(d) by placing a bet in a game after the result of the game is known.

I'm not really sure if what he did is considered cheating. He didn't interfere with the game, nor did he change any outcome in the game. Card counting is not illegal. At most the casinos can ban the player.

edit: ah I see, he transmitted the info to another party, who communicated the results to him

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Casino Control Act for using a device to count or record cards dealt in games at the casino last.
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They used own devices to record cards, not brain to count cards !

There are very CLEAR rules stated that player can't use player's own devices to play the game !
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this is the issue with all this Casino... they all using math to win our money, but when we used math to win back suddenly it is illegal.
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They used own devices to record cards, not brain to count cards !

There are very CLEAR rules stated that player can't use player's own devices to play the game !
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don't think this also illegal
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QUOTE(loserguy @ Nov 22 2023, 08:59 PM)
This is the specific part

172A.—(1)  A person must not, in relation to the playing of any game in a casino, obtain or attempt to obtain any money or advantage for himself or herself or any other person —
(a) by a fraudulent trick, device, sleight of hand or representation;
(b) by a fraudulent scheme or practice;
© by the fraudulent use of gaming equipment or any other thing; or
(d) by placing a bet in a game after the result of the game is known.

I'm not really sure if what he did is considered cheating. He didn't interfere with the game, nor did he change any outcome in the game. Card counting is not illegal. At most the casinos can ban the player.

edit: ah I see, he transmitted the info to another party, who communicated the results to him
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(b) by a fraudulent scheme or practice;
© by the fraudulent use of gaming equipment or any other thing; or


very wide .....

So laptop or smartphone become a gaming equipment now
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QUOTE(Adrian909 @ Nov 22 2023, 07:21 PM)
This is illegal in sg casino all along. If you only use your brain power to count cards of course it's not illegal. But if you have rely on external devices like bluetooth devices, computer etc. Then it's obviously illegal.
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There are very CLEAR rules stated that player can't use player's own devices to play the game !

If you use your brain to count cards, they can ban and ask you to leave only, they can't sue you !
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This is the specific part

172A.—(1)  A person must not, in relation to the playing of any game in a casino, obtain or attempt to obtain any money or advantage for himself or herself or any other person —
(a) by a fraudulent trick, device, sleight of hand or representation;
(b) by a fraudulent scheme or practice;
© by the fraudulent use of gaming equipment or any other thing; or
(d) by placing a bet in a game after the result of the game is known.

I'm not really sure if what he did is considered cheating. He didn't interfere with the game, nor did he change any outcome in the game. Card counting is not illegal. At most the casinos can ban the player.

edit: ah I see, he transmitted the info to another party, who communicated the results to him
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There are very CLEAR rules stated that player can't use player's own devices to play the game !
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There are very CLEAR rules stated that player can't use player's own devices to play the game !

If you use your brain to count cards, they can ban and ask you to leave only, they can't sue you !
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this one not sue, but jail shocking.gif
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this one not sue, but jail  shocking.gif
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QUOTE(Zot @ Nov 22 2023, 05:06 PM)
You are correct. They even track regular customer and how much each one spent. My boss usually get complementary hotel room to stay.  laugh.gif
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My friend told me, if you purchase upfront their chips, they'll even book a flight ticket and provide a pickup from the airport to your hotel, all sponsored. This was in australia I think.
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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 22 2023, 05:08 PM)
Because they actively use the Excel spreadsheet to cheat, its not card counting.

Read la the article...
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The problem is according to the report, the excel formula also didnt show its objective how to count/win. So it could be just luck for the syndicate.

To prove a case, they need to show how the formula give advantage to the player.


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QUOTE(loserguy @ Nov 22 2023, 08:59 PM)
This is the specific part

172A.—(1)  A person must not, in relation to the playing of any game in a casino, obtain or attempt to obtain any money or advantage for himself or herself or any other person —
(a) by a fraudulent trick, device, sleight of hand or representation;
(b) by a fraudulent scheme or practice;
© by the fraudulent use of gaming equipment or any other thing; or
(d) by placing a bet in a game after the result of the game is known.

I'm not really sure if what he did is considered cheating. He didn't interfere with the game, nor did he change any outcome in the game. Card counting is not illegal. At most the casinos can ban the player.

edit: ah I see, he transmitted the info to another party, who communicated the results to him
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If I use feng shui to gain advantage, is that consider a fraudulent trick/scheme/practice?

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post Nov 22 2023, 09:37 PM

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The news report almost like a tutorial.
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QUOTE(monkeyking918 @ Nov 22 2023, 09:28 PM)
The problem is according to the report, the excel formula also didnt show its objective how to count/win. So it could be just luck for the syndicate.

To prove a case, they need to show how the formula give advantage to the player.
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Not according to the law in Singapore. Any device used to counter record the cards is already an offence.
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Nov 22 2023, 10:21 PM)
My friend told me, if you purchase upfront their chips, they'll even book a flight ticket and provide a pickup from the airport to your hotel, all sponsored. This was in australia I think.
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Also available at Marina Bay Sand and Genting Sentosa

It’s called check in program, you get rolling chips with cash back commission on your total bet.

MBS - sgd100k and you get Paiza Gold membership for 1 year validity

Genting Sentosa :
Platinum member (if am not mistaken)

Commission rebate : 0.3% - 0.5%


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QUOTE(limfreelance @ Nov 22 2023, 04:58 PM)
ada tengok movie ni?
Being a smart is a sin. Orang bijik mati awal, that y need to buat bodo to keep living.
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wasn't the ending is the student got away with the money and the poor math teacher got caught by the casino security head?
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they broke the game and the game became upset sad.gif
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QUOTE(monkeyking918 @ Nov 22 2023, 09:31 PM)
If I use feng shui to gain advantage, is that consider a fraudulent trick/scheme/practice?
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if you send info to another party, then he use feng shui to gain advantage and pass it back to you? probably

if you keep everything in your head and choose the most ong seat at the table, probably not.
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QUOTE(cuddlybubblyteddy @ Nov 22 2023, 09:49 PM)
Also available at Marina Bay Sand and Genting Sentosa

It’s called check in program, you get rolling chips with cash back commission on your total bet.

MBS - sgd100k and you get Paiza Gold membership for 1 year validity

Genting Sentosa :
Platinum member (if am not mistaken)

Commission rebate : 0.3% - 0.5%
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Hey, thanks for that clarification.
I didn't know that!
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QUOTE(James8899 @ Nov 22 2023, 09:08 PM)
sue first la, if guilty then jail
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In Singapore it's a crime.

What sue? Lol... you are arrested, tried, sentenced and jailed.
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Nov 22 2023, 09:21 PM)
My friend told me, if you purchase upfront their chips, they'll even book a flight ticket and provide a pickup from the airport to your hotel, all sponsored. This was in australia I think.
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Junket operators also got. 3 licensed in SG, but unlicensed also many lol.
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Lol got roles like tank some more
This is hilarious
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QUOTE(loserguy @ Nov 22 2023, 10:43 PM)
if you send info to another party, then he use feng shui to gain advantage and pass it back to you? probably

if you keep everything in your head and choose the most ong seat at the table, probably not.
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I would say certainly not. Feng Shui is not scientific proven and thus cannot be used in court as evidence.

Look at Genting, they also use feng shui to gain advantage.
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QUOTE(Left4Dead2 @ Nov 22 2023, 04:52 PM)
Why SG casino now can jail card counter ? It is not cheat but calculation
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Basically house csn count you cannot count.

That's why house always win. Yet still got ppl want to gamble.
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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 22 2023, 09:44 PM)
Not according to the law in Singapore. Any device used to counter record the cards is already an offence.
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Say if A is in the casino, he send info to B at home.

B do nothing with the info and toss a dice, then B send info back to A to tell him buy what/etc.

A by luck win a lot, is A and B break the law?

Certainly not right.

So if B now instead use a device/laptop and enter the info into a spreadsheet which does not have any clear objective as reported in the article, why A and B now break the law?

The prosecutor need to prove that the spreadsheet indeed has clear objective which is to give A advantage by doing some calculation.
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QUOTE(monkeyking918 @ Nov 23 2023, 09:29 AM)
Say if A is in the casino, he send info to B at home.

B do nothing with the info and toss a dice, then B send info back to A to tell him buy what/etc.

A by luck win a lot, is A and B break the law?

Certainly not right.

So if B now instead use a device/laptop and enter the info into a spreadsheet which does not have any clear objective as reported in the article, why A and B now break the law?

The prosecutor need to prove that the spreadsheet indeed has clear objective which is to give A advantage by doing some calculation.
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The problem is they used own devices to record the cards and sent the info to others !

There are very CLEAR rules stated that player can't use player's own devices to play the game !


172A.—(1) A person must not, in relation to the playing of any game in a casino, obtain or attempt to obtain any money or advantage for himself or herself or any other person —
(a) by a fraudulent trick, device, sleight of hand or representation;
(b) by a fraudulent scheme or practice;
© by the fraudulent use of gaming equipment or any other thing; or
(d) by placing a bet in a game after the result of the game is known.



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If scientists can build a robot that looks like human, can send the robot to different casinos and win non stop.

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If this method was used in the 1990s in whatever casino which Excel... I think no casino will able to detect it.
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I thought they operated by calculated risk formula? They didn't cheated right? No machine or force injection of logics to the casino machines or anything? It's just a calculated risk business where the odds of getting the money is higher? Isn't that what insurance company are operating on?

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QUOTE(monkeyking918 @ Nov 23 2023, 08:24 AM)
I would say certainly not. Feng Shui is not scientific proven and thus cannot be used in court as evidence.

Look at Genting, they also use feng shui to gain advantage.
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the act of passing info back and forth is the illegal thing I think. feng shui, even card counting, is not illegal.
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QUOTE(monkeyking918 @ Nov 23 2023, 08:29 AM)
Say if A is in the casino, he send info to B at home.

B do nothing with the info and toss a dice, then B send info back to A to tell him buy what/etc.

A by luck win a lot, is A and B break the law?

Certainly not right.

So if B now instead use a device/laptop and enter the info into a spreadsheet which does not have any clear objective as reported in the article, why A and B now break the law?

The prosecutor need to prove that the spreadsheet indeed has clear objective which is to give A advantage by doing some calculation.
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Nope, it's illegal. End of story.

You walk around with a gun in SG, nobody needs to prove that you intend to cause harm.


 

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