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 Malaysian won $433K in SG casino via Excel formula

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post Nov 22 2023, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(MPIK @ Nov 22 2023, 04:41 PM)
Jail for member of syndicate that won S$433,730 at MBS casino by using baccarat 'formula'

Tan Kian Yi, a 35-year-old Malaysian, was sentenced to three years and four months' jail on Wednesday (Nov 22).

The court heard that Tan, a sales manager, was part of a syndicate comprising five other members from Malaysia and Taiwan.

He first met two of them - Hung Yu-Wen and Chou Yu-Lun, a couple from Taiwan - in the Philippines in August 2022.

Hung asked Tan if he was interested in winning money in a game of baccarat. She knew Tan had an interest in card counting and that he had attended a class on advantage play in 2019.

The class was held in Taipei, and taught people how to count cards, how the interior of a shuffler machine looked like and how it worked.

Hung then told Tan that she was going to Singapore to do a survey on how the game of 7UP Baccarat was played at the Marina Bay Sands casino.

Tan agreed to join her there, as he wanted to learn how to win money through the game.

In October 2022, Tan and the couple met in Singapore, staying at the MBS hotel and visiting the casino to observe how the game was played.

They met a month later at a casino in Manila, where Hung told Tan she had a formula that could enable them to win the game.

The formula was developed by a man she called her "teacher", and the syndicate intended to use this formula to skew the odds of the game in its favour.

Hung showed Tan the formula on her laptop. It was in the form of an Excel sheet, and Hung showed Tan how to use it.

She gave him a set of codes to memorise, referring to the values and suits of the cards in the game. She also told Tan that he should key the codes into the sheet after someone else transmitted the information to him.

To use the formula, the syndicate would need someone to transmit information on the cards dealt to the person operating the formula, who would key in the values into the Excel sheet.

The formula would then predict and generate the game's next outcome.

At this, Tan asked if his friend, 45-year-old Malaysian Chai Hee Keong, could join the syndicate.

Hung agreed and promised to give Tan and Chai 20 per cent of the syndicate's winnings.

She created a group chat on LINE, with a Chinese name that described a "work group" in Singapore.

The chat was used to keep track of how much capital each syndicate member started off with, the time they clocked in and out at the table, as well as the winnings or losses made.

The group arrived in Singapore in December 2022 to execute their plan. They were assigned roles to play – ranging from a marksman, a sorcerer, a tank and an auxiliary.

Tan was both a marksman and a tank. In the first role, he would be stationed in a hotel room where he received information that he keyed into the formula and told the sorcerer how to bet.

The sorcerer was a female member of the syndicate who wore Bluetooth-connected earphones hidden by her long hair, so she could communicate with the marksman.

Tan's second role involved him placing high bets at the table based on instructions relayed to him by the sorcerer.

Each of the syndicate's members started off with S$100,000 worth casino chips.

Over several days in December 2022, they received winnings from their games using their scheme. At one point, one of the other members wanted to know how the formula worked as he felt very impressed by it, but Hung did not want to share the specifics with him.

Between Dec 16 and Dec 23 last year, casino employees began to take notice of the syndicate's conduct, by going through closed-circuit television footage.

On Dec 24, 2022, one of the members went alone to the casino to gamble. He was taken to a room by security officers and the police later arrested him.

Source: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/f...-casino-3938776

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The syndicate leveraged technology and devices to record cards dealt in the casino, which illegally tilted the odds in its favour," said Deputy Public Prosecutor Ng Shao Yan.


Beat the house is wrong
plouffle0789
post Nov 22 2023, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Nov 22 2023, 05:19 PM)
Lie one lar. Sure pakat with dealer only. But lure that guy to believe they have system. No way can count card or even memorize anything.
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Dealer cannot see the poker card one.

You never see the reshuffle machine?


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post Nov 22 2023, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(jblittleboy @ Nov 22 2023, 05:35 PM)
even as I am typing, some group is doing this act in a table in Genting, but they are smart , they knoe how to pull the brake when target is achieve, even those CCTV duno who are them, sometimes the croupier is also a friendly member.....................
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Baccarat ?


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post Nov 22 2023, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Nov 22 2023, 05:04 PM)
I remember bacarat got those cards where you can write down who the winner for each round. Same for roulete. So that is ok but using excel is not?
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Because you are counting cards.



How many 1s, 2s, 3s, 4s, 5s, Js, Ks, Qs, etc., are left in the Automatic Card Shuffler?

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post Nov 22 2023, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:20 PM)
unless u already can see the cards and remember all the sequence, or else how you predict also useless. You predict with formula is even worse than you simply bet. Because you simply bet already got 50% chance to winning.
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There are either 6 or 8 decks of poker cards in one baccarat game. As each poker card is used, it is taken out and set aside.



The card counter starts monitoring the game from the beginning until the cards reach a certain level that is suitable for them. Understand?


Like blackjack

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post Nov 22 2023, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:25 PM)
The news is bacarat not blackjack. If blackjack got a little bit use only not much. If got use then all online casino tutup kilang adi. Duh
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Online casinos cannot be believed.

Scenario Player Cards Banker Cards Player Total Banker Total Result
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1 J, J, 8 4, 6 ,1 8 1 Player Win
5 J, J, 4 6, 8 ,1 4 5 Banker Win
3 7, 5, 8 9, 6, 4 0 (or 20) 9 Banker Win
4 7, 5, 4 9, 6, 8 6 (or 16) 3 Player Win






| | Player's Third Card Rules | Banker's Third Card Rules
**Total Points** **Action** **Total Points** **Action**
0-5 Player must draw a third card. 0-2 Banker must draw a third card.
6-7 Player must stand (no third card). 3-6 Decision depends on whether the Player drew a third card and its value.
8-9 Player must stand (no third card). 7 Banker must stand (no third card).
8-9 Natural win; no third card is drawn.
6 or more (No draw) Rule #1 applies to the Banker.
Third Card for If Player draws a third card, the Banker draws or stands based on the Player’s total and the value of the Player’s third card.




**Additional Baccarat Banker's Third Card Rules:**

- Banker must stand if the banker hand has a total of either 6 or 7.
- A total of 8 or 9 is a natural win; no extra cards are needed.
- Even if the player stands, the banker hand will draw a third card if the total is between 0 - 5.




- If the player hand has received a third card, the banker hand will draw cards according to the following rules:



- Total points equal to 2: Banker draws a third card.
- Total points equal to 3: Banker draws if the player's third card is not 8.
- Total points equal to 4: Banker draws based on the player's third card.
- Total points equal to 5: Banker draws based on the player's third card (6 or 7).
- Total points equal to 6: Banker draws if the player's third card is 6 or 7.

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post Nov 22 2023, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Nov 22 2023, 06:51 PM)
at most the casino will ban the players. what law did he break exactly?
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Casino Control Act for using a device to count or record cards dealt in games at the casino last.
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post Nov 22 2023, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Nov 22 2023, 08:59 PM)
This is the specific part

172A.—(1)  A person must not, in relation to the playing of any game in a casino, obtain or attempt to obtain any money or advantage for himself or herself or any other person —
(a) by a fraudulent trick, device, sleight of hand or representation;
(b) by a fraudulent scheme or practice;
© by the fraudulent use of gaming equipment or any other thing; or
(d) by placing a bet in a game after the result of the game is known.

I'm not really sure if what he did is considered cheating. He didn't interfere with the game, nor did he change any outcome in the game. Card counting is not illegal. At most the casinos can ban the player.

edit: ah I see, he transmitted the info to another party, who communicated the results to him
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(b) by a fraudulent scheme or practice;
© by the fraudulent use of gaming equipment or any other thing; or


very wide .....

So laptop or smartphone become a gaming equipment now

 

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