Segmentation itself is very vague, wheelbase is not the way to differentiate. You can extend a car wheelbase like Saga Limousine, end of day still Saga segment. C segments usually use higher quality and spec material/features. See X50 and X70 difference, interior size I would say not that much different. But one is torsion beam, one is multilink. Cabin materials also different class even if X50 is better design but materials feel cheaper than X70.

Another example of how segment is so vague is X90 vs X70. In actual fact the X90 in China is cheaper car than X70 and therefore use lower class materials. Proton/Geely Malaysia try to upsell X90 as higher priced than X70. That's one of the reason for X90 fire issues, Proton add extra insulation compared to ori Geely and the insulation catch fire because Geely bad grounding design.

Has Nissan's sales been declining and losing to Proton's sales for a long time since Geely bought Proton?

Did the Geely Haoyue catch fire in China too?

Is it still the case that Proton hasn't fixed the insulation problem in the X90, and can it still catch fire?

This post has been edited by plouffle0789: Nov 7 2023, 03:04 PM

Geely Haoyue is lower price/segment than Geely Boyue/X70 in China, so dont have the extra insulation, only Proton/Geely Malaysia add insulation because want to charge more than X70. But the underlying issue still same what, unless they say redesign the grounding point. Issue is not insulation, insulation just the bahan minyak to burn. X90 they say recall la but didnt explain what they do to fix.

https://www.enanyang.my/%E8%B4%A2%E7%BB%8F%...%AC%E5%9B%9Ex90



13 september 2023 already announce?

So autobuzz slow report news?


https://autobuzz.my/2023/10/05/2023-proton-...ts-sold-so-far/


5 october 2023

2023 Proton X90: Minor production delay due to grounding issue –

3,435 units sold so far








X90 is the brand’s first hybrid car and as such, many were quick to speculate that the hybrid battery was the cause of the fire in the viral video.



Besides being the brand’s first hybrid car, the Proton X90 also brings many Proton-first features to its customers. Some of these include rear-cross traffic alert (RCTA), Rear Collision Warning (RCW), traffic sign information (TSI), and walk-away lock function.



Available as both a

6-seater (Flagship) and a


7-seater (Standard, Executive, Premium),

the Proton X90 is priced from


RM123,800 for the base Standard variant up to RM152,800 for the Flagship variant.


The Proton X90 indirectly replaces the Proton Exora as the large family car from the brand.






Gg.com


Image hurt......


Should compensate owner some service cash voucher or petrol voucher.



Who dare to buy proton car?

This post has been edited by plouffle0789: Nov 7 2023, 04:42 PM

Whilst wheelbase measurement is probably the most accurate to classify a car's segment, the standard is also getting longer and longer over time. E.g. Mitsu Lancer/Proton Inspira was a C segment and had a shorter wheelbase (2635mm) than S70. Preve and VW Jetta (gen 6) were C segment cars. They had the same wheelbase as S70 (2650mm).

Ya. I agree with you. 2700mm seems like the magic number among Japanese makers.

Wheelbase != rear seat legroom ya. Car designs from Honda and Perodua are especially good in optimizing legroom. Same legroom with shorter wheelbase? That's a fkin Myvi and do you know how's the ride? It's quite jarring.

Yes it is vague and no hard rules. Also it moves with time. Guess what, our very first gen Saga (not the limo) was a C segment!

I think we can all agree that this argument started in the first place was solely due to Proton's opportunistic move, by naming it S70 instead of S50. But IMHO, this move is possible due to weak engines of other B segment cars in our market.

Seems Proton S70 is C segment car?

See the BMW 3 Series along the years. It become a 5 series sizes nowadays. Use to be small, lack of legroom at rear, now ok already

Why CVT

2017 BMW 318i 1.5(A)

This one legroom big ?

Toyota ,honda,nissan also CVT

typical japanese cheapskate. buy DCT car better

ride only on f30 330e last time, the rear is similar to 5 series two gen back. no issue for me for f30 rear legroom

Surprise no one speaks about the 1.5T 3 Cylinder MPI engine?

Why not compare with x50?

DCT la

Non-ethical. You assume the corresponding S-series(Sedan) of X70(X-over SUV) to be based on the same X70 C segment platform. Instead is based on BMA platform. Proton actually did it before with old Persona, sell C segment car at B segment price, top spec only 60k compared to smaller Honda City top spec 90k. But old Persona was genuine C segment at the time, wheelbase is 2600mm compared to City 2450mm.

fanboys already basah and flooded when they saw 1.5L TURBO...

My car 2750mm wheelbase also B segment only. Nowdays manufacturer can position whatever segment they want.

Yup. I had that Persona actually, Elegance. It's a nice car and kira worth the ride la. Compact C. But the engine wasn't a C segment.

This round, S70 has the C segment engine but not the dimension of current gen of C segment.

I hope the booking is low and they reduce the price haha.