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bee88
post Oct 3 2023, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(razr_sped @ Oct 3 2023, 06:38 PM)
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your roof design determine how your panel can be place
assuming you are the corner unit you already have 2 panel that doesnt face the sun orientation nicely at some point of the time which could impact performance

sun hour is merely calculation of total generated per month/number of days in that month/system size
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Corner lot should generate better yield. From what I see. Unless sun come from left to right in the picture.
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post Oct 3 2023, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(razr_sped @ Oct 3 2023, 06:50 PM)
well..i forgot to mention my sun travel assumption which is top-bottom but left-right if for sure.
but the 2 corner pieces are actually less generation for some period during early and late days to my understanding as the shine angle are not on all cell.
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Welll with optimizer you should be able to see the graph of generation for that corner panel. And compare total energy per day.

The total energy per day should not differ much if they are side to side.
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post Oct 3 2023, 06:56 PM

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This is the panel daily production. Each pnel I know the output of the day. How much they contribute.

So they cannot be lazy.
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post Oct 3 2023, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(jepakazoid_82 @ Oct 3 2023, 06:28 PM)
Bumbung if got leaking during rain can install ke panel?
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Fix first before install.
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post Oct 3 2023, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(guysmiley @ Oct 3 2023, 06:59 PM)
not many hav 40k to spend on the stuffs. u def a t20.
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Actually lots of m40 also can afford to install already since now it’s without the deposit or one lump sum payment. Most importantly u need to have a Cc with limit about 25k. That is enough for a middle size house usage.

The cc part is the tricky part.
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post Oct 4 2023, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Oct 4 2023, 03:20 AM)
Problem is the company that gives such warranty will continue to exist in the next 15 years or not? Else your warranty certificate just paperweight.
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Should be. Don’t be pessimistic. If everything also worry this worry that, nothing gets done.

When I choose the companies, I choose the one that is longer in the solar business. Actually many solar companies before doing solar were incorporated for other purpose.

There are new companies that I would have more doubt are those newly establish companies below 10 years. For example alpha solar from ctos check only started in 2022.

Also try to get those companies that also deal with c&i. These are more established companies in my opinion. Not to say they won’t go out of business but at least we try our best to choose the best company we believe will exist for a long time.
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post Oct 4 2023, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(AlphaM @ Oct 4 2023, 09:06 AM)
can you PM me the company that has long history?
what inverter brand?
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When you get the quote from any companies, u can always run a ctos check to see when it incorporated

I am not sure if this is a valid way but at least do something to make sure the company is okay.

Just type the name of the company, and ctos keyword in google.

If u want to know if the company is sustainable , can even buy the report to see profit and loss.


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post Oct 4 2023, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 4 2023, 10:00 AM)
All can even more.

EPF,5.5%  after 4 years 
Capital : 47K
Return : 8.75K
Total :- 55.74K

Solar after 4 years
Capital :0 k
Return :- 38400
Total:- 38400

Again you don't understand that for FD, capital doesn't change.
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For solar, there is no capital needed. That’s the difference.



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post Oct 4 2023, 10:12 AM

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Getting Solar is by using money that u suppose to spend monthly. This money is not the money that you can save.

If u don’t get solar, that money is going to Tnb 100%


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post Oct 4 2023, 10:14 AM

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It’s like how ppl cuci money with shopee coin cash back last time. Last time shopee offer 100% coin cash back.

Itu solar Mcm itu voucher coin cash back la.
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post Oct 4 2023, 10:38 AM

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Tbh, instal solar is a good move. Regardless the roi

Money sure can get back long term.
Maintenance here and there along the way - biasa lah but not that frequent la.
Most importantly, go green, save earth, leave a better world to the next generation.
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post Oct 4 2023, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Oct 4 2023, 11:20 AM)
can I know which company solar ure using? after reading all 15 pages it seems worth to get solar as my bill is about 1k
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Sure. Later when I have time I pm u.
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post Oct 4 2023, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(brkli @ Oct 4 2023, 11:21 AM)
not sure what is better for the environment, use less electricity or install tons of solar panels to accommodate ones outrages energy usage for residentials.
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Of course use less electricity. But some of us are already using as minimum we can but still manage to rake up high bill. Probably. Many ppl in one home.


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post Oct 4 2023, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(a_dot_el @ Oct 4 2023, 11:38 AM)
You are not using energy efficient AC. Switch all to 5 star energy rated AC.
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Maybe can save a bit. But I don’t think will be very big different.

Also the cost of changing the energy efficient ac is quite high also.

Btw, he just escaped the 1500kwh surcharge after installing the solar

If he wasn’t on solar, his bill would be 1k for September. Due to the surcharge. Now he only pay rm80. . His roi is way faster now. .
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post Oct 4 2023, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 4 2023, 01:46 PM)
It's about the accuracy of the ROI term.

If someone tells you FD ROI 15%
or Solar ROI 20%.
Which is a better investment?
From numbers alone Solar is a bigger number therefore it has better ROI right?
But that is not true. Why does FD ROI of 15% outperform Solar ROI of 20%?
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Okay. What if this is the scenario.

Scenario a
Put 47k in fixed d

Earn interest

Everry month another fresh 800 pay to Tnb.

For 10 years

Scenario b

Put 47k in solar
Every month another fresh 800 put into fix d.

For 10 years.

Which one is more worthwhile. ?

This post has been edited by bee88: Oct 4 2023, 02:17 PM
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post Oct 4 2023, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Oct 4 2023, 02:15 PM)
Okay. What if this is the scenario.

Scenario a
Put 47k in fixed d

Earn interest

Everry month another fresh 800 pay to Tnb.

For 10 years

Scenario b

Put 47k in solar
Every month another fresh 800  put into fix d.

For 10 years.

Which one is more worthwhile. ?
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Okay. To answer my own question.

Scenario a
By the end of year 10, will have rm81360.59

Based on interest 5.5 percent.

Scenario b

End of 10 years.
Will have RM 126,806.07

Based on 5.5 interest

And a 47k system Solar that still generate but depreciated in value or no value.


Did I calculate any wrong here?
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post Oct 4 2023, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Oct 4 2023, 03:34 PM)
thats exactly what i mentioned earlier where i calculated for 8 years period
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So I feel it’s really worth it. Assuming the calculation is correct. Coz many are skeptical, so I wasn’t very sure if I calculated correctly.

End of the 10 years got more money in bank and got a cash cow(generator) to continue producing a commodity.
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post Oct 4 2023, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 4 2023, 03:46 PM)
I stand corrected, after looking at your post  I realise that  still need to pay TNB bill for EPF case which is not accounted for.

I made a separate post below.
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So the scenarios that I made just now looks okay? Any wrong calculation there?
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post Oct 4 2023, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(yakumo @ Oct 4 2023, 03:51 PM)
so you paid advance electric bill for about 60 months.. each month x 800.

just hope after 58 month everything still functional..  if yes then you are gaining if not.. its just a advance payment of your 800 electric bill.
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It’s more than a hope. It’s performance guaranteed.

So if anything wrong, it can be fixed. The critical period is the first 10 years.

Since warranty covers up to 12 and some 25 years for inverter and pnel warranty is 25-30 years performance.

So I think it is a calculated risk there la. Not to say it will never break down but the effect will not be that bad.

But one thing can cause the problem u said. U have a bad neighbour throwing stones to your panels. Crack all of them. Then yes your worse nightmare happens.
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post Oct 4 2023, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Oct 4 2023, 04:16 PM)
i'm using excel xirr formula for the internal return rates, assuming i paid all upfront, and have excess kWp to cover the loss of efficiency. the return is 27.16%.

1/1/2023 -18,000.00
31/1/2023  400.00
28/2/2023  400.00
31/3/2023  400.00
30/4/2023  400.00
31/5/2023  400.00
30/6/2023  400.00
31/7/2023  400.00
31/8/2023  400.00
30/9/2023  400.00
31/10/2023400.00
30/11/2023400.00
31/12/2023400.00
31/1/2024  400.00
29/2/2024  400.00
31/3/2024  400.00
30/4/2024  400.00
31/5/2024  400.00
30/6/2024  400.00
31/7/2024  400.00
31/8/2024  400.00
30/9/2024  400.00
31/10/2024400.00
30/11/2024400.00
31/12/2024400.00
31/1/2025  400.00
28/2/2025  400.00
31/3/2025  400.00
30/4/2025  400.00
31/5/2025  400.00
30/6/2025  400.00
31/7/2025  400.00
31/8/2025  400.00
30/9/2025  400.00
31/10/2025400.00
30/11/2025400.00
31/12/2025400.00
31/1/2026  400.00
28/2/2026  400.00
31/3/2026  400.00
30/4/2026  400.00
31/5/2026  400.00
30/6/2026  400.00
31/7/2026  400.00
31/8/2026  400.00
30/9/2026  400.00
31/10/2026400.00
30/11/2026400.00
31/12/2026400.00
31/1/2027  400.00
28/2/2027  400.00
31/3/2027  400.00
30/4/2027  400.00
31/5/2027  400.00
30/6/2027  400.00
31/7/2027  400.00
31/8/2027  400.00
30/9/2027  400.00
31/10/2027400.00
30/11/2027400.00
31/12/2027400.00
31/1/2028  400.00
29/2/2028  400.00
31/3/2028  400.00
30/4/2028  400.00
31/5/2028  400.00
30/6/2028  400.00
31/7/2028  400.00
31/8/2028  400.00
30/9/2028  400.00
31/10/2028400.00
30/11/2028400.00
31/12/2028400.00
31/1/2029  400.00
28/2/2029  400.00
31/3/2029  400.00
30/4/2029  400.00
31/5/2029  400.00
30/6/2029  400.00
31/7/2029  400.00
31/8/2029  400.00
30/9/2029  400.00
31/10/2029400.00
30/11/2029400.00
31/12/2029400.00
31/1/2030  400.00
28/2/2030  400.00
31/3/2030  400.00
30/4/2030  400.00
31/5/2030  400.00
30/6/2030  400.00
31/7/2030  400.00
31/8/2030  400.00
30/9/2030  400.00
31/10/2030400.00
30/11/2030400.00
31/12/2030400.00
31/1/2031  400.00
28/2/2031  400.00
31/3/2031  400.00
30/4/2031  400.00
31/5/2031  400.00
30/6/2031  400.00
31/7/2031  400.00
31/8/2031  400.00
30/9/2031  400.00
31/10/2031400.00
30/11/2031400.00
31/12/2031400.00
31/1/2032  400.00
29/2/2032  400.00
31/3/2032  400.00
30/4/2032  400.00
31/5/2032  400.00
30/6/2032  400.00
31/7/2032  400.00
31/8/2032  400.00
30/9/2032  400.00
31/10/2032400.00
30/11/2032400.00
31/12/2032400.00
27.16%
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Wow. Quite a long post.

Though, I don’t really think a 18k system can help u cover 400 ringgit bill.

From my understanding of your calculation la.

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