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post Oct 3 2023, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(Randomization @ Oct 3 2023, 11:23 AM)
Wait 1 full year and give more details on saving for better case study.
Need to account for seasonal weather difference.
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Yes. That’s why I oversize my panel from my usage. I wanna cover the seasonal difference. I plan to have a bill below 10 for the next 10 years.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:25 AM)
If rain can clean it how come our exterior wall will still be dirty after years of usage?

Even then solar panel guys been telling us, please clean the panels periodically.

No one is doubting the capability of solar generation but it shall never be glorified and advertised in such a way that it does not come with its challenges.

Read both sides of the stories.
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I would say it depend on the slope. If yours on flat surface with 5-10 degree , then u might need to clean often. Heavy rain can’t do much.

But slope at 30 degree, should be better.

Coz now the panel has a coating thst repel dust when raining. But the slope also play an important role.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Oct 3 2023, 11:29 AM)
3 years in Solar-NEM2 package-10kvah. 20 years warranty. Latest bil RM11.35
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Wow. Damn u manage to get nem2.0. Congrats.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Oct 3 2023, 11:29 AM)
This is valid for household that has electric bills close to 4 figures per month. But people with such bill usually would have no problem coming up with RM50K for a Solar system. Annually can see the bill is more than RM 10K.

But then again coughing up RM50K for something that you cannot feel it is functioning feels painful.
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Small bill also got smaller system thst give similar roi. Not necessary 50k. 13k also can get a system. Now usually ppp go for 20k system. For bill 200-300
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:32 AM)
how often do you think need to clean those panels?
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Coz my system can monitor per panel production, when I feel the production is no longer there, I can consider to clean.


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post Oct 3 2023, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 3 2023, 11:34 AM)
If this 47k doesn't give you hardship and you save RM750 per month in tnb bills, it does seem to be a good choice for you. If you put 47k in epf and assume epf interest of 5.5%, you'll have RM80k in epf after 10 years, compared to 90k in tnb savings.
On paper , you untung but do note that after 10 years if nem is not extended, your tnb savings plunge but your epf continues to earn compounded money for you. That's the risk, returns wise.

However, tnb tariffs may increase over time and your savings will too.

Most importantly, you feel good about it.
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Problem is we can’t put 47k straight into year 1. Coz we don’t have the money upfront. Solar don’t need 47k upfront. Just need monthly commitment.

U don’t do solar, the 47 k goes to Tnb anyway. And in fact , over 10 years 90k goes to Tnb.

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post Oct 3 2023, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:36 AM)
Looks like the solar only managed to cover less than 20% of your usage (day time).

Move some energy intensive stuff to day time perhaps?

Your import still ok. 500 kwh away still from the ICPT charges.
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Yes. So battery is the solution
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(snimple @ Oct 3 2023, 11:39 AM)
My bill rm250 max

Living area 2 airconds but very seldom on
3 airconds rooms 12 hours usage daily
Kitchen everything electrical no buy gas tangki
Water heater 3 bathrooms

2 big 2 small

RM800 normal?????? hmmmmmmmm
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Actually, ur bill doesn’t seems normal. Unless those aircond are inverter and new.

Would be happy actually if I could get the usage like u.

Your usage is just like mine. But mine got la some else like cctv router. Those also take up significant chunks. Water pump. Dryer.
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post Oct 3 2023, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Oct 3 2023, 12:53 PM)
Question

1. 1600kWh usage but didnt kena ICPT charges?

2. If roof leaking during rain have to remove solar panels to fix?
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Nope. But depends on the 1600kwh is total or import only.
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post Oct 3 2023, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 01:19 PM)
oh ya, mine is hybrid inverter. Seller said just upgrade battery. The only thing i need to worry is battery capacity. But that thing 10 years later only see how.
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To be honest. These hybrid inverter just fancy feature. After 10 years, there is a big possibility u already change it.

Battery also limited selection. Compatible batteries or proprietary sure cost more
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post Oct 3 2023, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 01:22 PM)
Well he just recently changed gate + shift meter. TNB contractor didnt suspect anything so i guess its good to go
Wow tap? Winrar
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Tnb contractor tell me this la. Dunno how true it is la. They know which house got steal. They mark it. After certain years only action taken. If take action early, less money.
Dunno how true la

They came to my house to change the fuse blown last time.
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post Oct 3 2023, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 01:26 PM)
Ya true. 10 years time the technology should leap and bound.  No use worry so much now. Also it seems to be in consumer favor judging on the past history.
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In fact, my concern down the road is the safety. Overseas they check cables and connection every year. In Malaysia, I am not too confident

String inverter has a chance to catch fire due to arc fault. There are cases where it happen because string inverter deal with high dc.

That’s why I didn’t go for that. I just want peace of mind.
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post Oct 3 2023, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Oct 3 2023, 01:22 PM)
pray your roof dont have leaks later on laugh.gif
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Actually nowadays the leak is rare because the Instalwtion is non invasive. They usually slide in the bracket through the gap between tiles.

But if it leaks, they got cover with warranty anyway.
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post Oct 3 2023, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 3 2023, 01:08 PM)
Again i will reiterate. My latest 3 months bill before solar installation is RM800+ and RM900+.

After installing solar my consumption drop to RM500-600. I theorize that it's because during daytime all the solar energy i generated get consumed by the house first before diverting the excess to TNB. In short the price difference probably is the amount of electricity i used during daytime which is about rm200-300.
1. probably because during daytime the energy generated get consumed first before sending the excess to TNB.

2) Yes need to remove panel only repair. so u have to arrange them to come buka, then roofer repair, then arrange them come pasang back . that's why it's very important to make sure your roof no such issue before install. They recommend new house stay few years no issue just install.
yes. in fact it didnt degrade. Because my uncle installed them 2010. Until now he said the energy produced same only. Already 10 years no different. Main reason why i feel confident to install.
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From the solar app, get the monthly generation

Then from monthly generation, minus the export.

That is your morning usage.

Add your morning usage with import.

That is your total kWh usage.

From total kWh usage, go to Tnb calculator.
Key in An’s get the estimated bill of the kWh.
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post Oct 3 2023, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 3 2023, 01:39 PM)
47k/36=RM1306 pm.

Put in epf at 5.5%, you'll earn rm4208 interest and will have RM5,1224 after 36 months.

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After this 36 months, for the next 7 years, you will earn rm23,989 in interest giving you the total rm75213.
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For year 11, you will earn RM4242 interest, translating to RM353 per month.
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If you're not able to extend NEM, your PV must offset RM350 pm to break even. Don't forget that your EPF money is still there for you to withdraw, whereas your PV and its peripheral hardware are considered sunk costs and are basically worthless if you decide to give up on it (no/low resale value). Will it add to your house market value? Not sure.
This write-off is not taken into account in the untung-rugi calculation. It essentially means at the wnd of Year 10, your TNB savings is just RM15k (at current tariffs and consumption) more than your EPF balance, but your epf continues to grow while your solar panel system continues to deteriorate in terms of performance and resale value while requiring maintenance.
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First, we don’t have the money to put in kwsp one lump sum like that.

So your calculation lari by a lot dy.

Second. , we are using money we set aside monthly. to pay Tnb. So that money is not for investment for kwsp also.

So your calculation become irrrelevant dy.


The analogy is

I need to pay 300 bus lrt pass every month to go to work

I use thr 300 to py for a cheap car, kancil and the total maintenance for then car monthly and petrol is only rm300


So I my transportation method just changed. But my commitment still same. The money is never for epf coz it is a necessary spending to work.

End of the payment , I got a car, and I can save a bit, and maybe hook up an awek in the kancil. Hahahah.



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post Oct 3 2023, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 01:47 PM)
Ur calculations incorrect too.

Usually for solar panel installation u need to pay deposit, then balance via installment i think 24mths or 36mths only.

So u need to pay monthly installment plus the monthly electric bill.

That is excluding maintenance charges too (if any) and that mostly new subscribers are unable to provide the info.
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No la. Nowaday it’s already zero entry. I don’t know if some company still charge deposit but the one I got into no deposit la. Even if got also can be 60 month.

For me, The total cost is divided to 48- 60 months.
I paid everything via installment. No deposit at All.

My new Tnb monthly bill only rm3. So insignificant la.


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post Oct 3 2023, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 01:53 PM)
Mind to share how much was ur electric bill before using solar?
And how much total paid for solar?
And how long u using solar already and any maintenance ?
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Okay. I got calculate every month how much I actually saved.

Many ppl just say before solar how much after solar how much.

A bit vague. But I can confirm it’s 80% true. The 20 % is the actual amount saved


So far, after 6 months of usage. My actual saving is rm3803.29 and the total kWh I used is 8249.633kwh

My system is about 38k. So. I am already hitting 10% of the system cost after 6 months.

So far maintenance I haven’t encounter.

Later when got free I try send u the calculation I make every month. I keep track all the production and import

Some ppl just want rough figure, so they use 8099.63(production) and they multiply with 0.571. Highest tariff.


That will get a figure of rm4624.

So depend on how u look at it. I stick to my calculation.

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post Oct 3 2023, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 3 2023, 02:14 PM)
From googling, it's not recommended or worth it  to install a PV panel with upgrading option in mind.

If you install something suitable for your usage now, you'll need to upgrade if your usage increases in future, say if you buy EVs or whatever. If you upgrade, the new panels or accessories may not be compatible or the cost to add may not be worth it. Add in the statutory requirements, lagi pening.

I stand corrected though.
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Let me help clarify this. That’s why don’t go for string. Go for modular plug and play micro. Anytime can upgrade capacity.
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post Oct 3 2023, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Oct 3 2023, 02:55 PM)
The first gen of smart meter can be tamper, like a remote control switch on and the meter will not be running, not sure whether it will transmit data back to TNB server or not. My friend did it.

But the latest gen of smart meter even if u tamper the meter, the hourly usage once become 0 and TNB will find it irregular, in short very easy to kantoi.
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Actually I believe they bypass the meter. With a smaller wire.

So depending on your “saving” like how many percent , they adjust the thickness of the wire.

Coz my friend say that if they “on” the device, the meter will still run. But whole night only 2kwh or 3kwh.

Just my suspicion.
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post Oct 3 2023, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 3 2023, 03:01 PM)
There is nothing stopping you from  use string and micro together.
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If u add a micro on top of the string, u are basically paying for a new system. But if ur intention is just to add another inverter and 4 panel, getting a micro from the beginning will help save the process and wiring.

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