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post Jun 14 2024, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(fongzai92 @ Jun 14 2024, 06:59 PM)
anyone have some good solar installer contact to share? thank u so much....
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Hmm... the better advise is that you google solar installer, and then just call to them to come and quote. Make like 5 to 8 calls/email or whatsapp equiries and probably arrange 3 to 5 site visit. After this, you will be able to know how to go from there.

A good company or sales agent is a certain area, may not provide same good service in another region.
Same goes with prices (depend if they have local branch). So best method is do more survey and you will reach the best solution.

Here.... just goolge as below will do
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefo...ies+in+malaysia
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post Jun 14 2024, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(judas @ Jun 14 2024, 06:58 PM)
If u have the number then its good indication
High efficiency obviously gonna cost more but now china able to reach about 33.9% efficiency, who knows in future cost per piece solar panel goes down, and dont need so much panels in future?

Its a long time investment mah

https://www.longi.com/en/news/new-world-rec...%20first%20time.
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Hmm... its long time investment but also not too long. tongue.gif
As long as one can recoup in 10 years time from the NEM then it is fair enough. There is little point to get the most efficient panel from consumer point of view. Unless you have very limited roof space, but generally in Malaysia, our house is consider large laugh.gif

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post Jun 17 2024, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jun 16 2024, 10:52 AM)
Not so long to ROI la... mine 4.5 years will kaotim, now already 3.5 years.
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The bigger the system, the faster the ROI. because kwh unit is different. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 18 2024, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(laihuhng @ Jun 18 2024, 03:39 PM)
Has anyone converted from single-phase to 3-phase? Just checked with an electrician. I was told it's a messy job since the incoming wires can no longer be concealed. All the DBs have to update to 3-phase too.
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Yup usually do it during house renovation project will be better. But it doesn't mean it will be messy, it all depends on the layout and cable running of your current wires. Basically need to run new wires from meter to distribution box. If it is 2 story house, then have distribution box in first floor and second floor, so need to run the wires from 1st distribution box to the second.

So you can check if you current wire layout possible to conceal them.
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post Jun 19 2024, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(laihuhng @ Jun 18 2024, 06:26 PM)
We are staying there. Conceal definitely is a no-no, the dust will kill all of us.

Looks like there is no chance to upgrade to 3-phase then.
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Not necessary need to conceal all right? some part maybe put into trunking while some can be inside false ceiling, or hide under stairway, etc.

But anyway, what is the purpose to go to 3 phase? Your current usage is more than 50A and often trip the circuit?
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post Jun 19 2024, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jun 19 2024, 12:24 PM)
do a simple conversion instead of having all phases going through every level. Balance your load this way is also possible.
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On theory, possible to balance , but in reality, common terrace 2 storey terrace house have all 3 bedrooms on 2nd floor. which means aircond are all up stairs. If pull 1 phase up, that phase will be loaded to max at night while the other 2 phase is left idle as at night no body down stairs.

Generally certified electrician will not approve such work but then in Malaysia cool2.gif
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post Jun 20 2024, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(laihuhng @ Jun 19 2024, 12:25 PM)
The max allowable for a single phase is only 7.2kwp. That is equivalent to roughly RM300++ of electricity usage. My current usage is already RM200 with only 1 AC on at night. I'm planning to turn on 3 AC at night in the future after solar installation and another 1 to 2 AC in the morning. I don't think RM300+ can cover the usage. Correct me if I am wrong.
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QUOTE(laihuhng @ Jun 19 2024, 12:27 PM)
My planning is every one phase at a level. Is this what we are supposed to do to balance the load?
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actually based on calculation, maximum system of 7.2kwp should be sufficient to reap the maximum ROI for your usage. This is because generally it is not recommended to install system to fully covered your usage, but instead only to offset those higher in excess of the 300. Because TnB tariff is not the same and high unit charges occurs after the 300 units. If you system include those cheaper units. your ROI will take longer. Just my opinion
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post Jun 20 2024, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(yeongkl @ Jun 19 2024, 03:50 PM)
i am house owner looking at installing Solar system for my house. I plan to go for the max size that SEDA can approved which is 12KAC for inverter connect to grid.

my roof does not have any shading issue as it is metal deck and no tall tree of building surrounding. So i plan to go for String Inverter to have easier maintenance in future.

Also, I plan to go with Huawei inverter and wanted to have a hybrid inverter for future so that may be able to hook up a battery after NEM 10 years contract and also if the price of battery is cheaper at that time. However, Huawei inverter either M2 or M5 series can only support hybrid up to their 10ktl model. 12ktl model is not hybrid inverter. I research online and found out that 12ktl-mb0 is a newer model from Huawei that is hybrid for 12KAC. Should I topup 2k for this hybrid model which is for future (unknown) or good to go with either M2 or M5?

I have some questions to ask and hope all sifus here can give your advise

- for Huawei inverter, does anyone know the different between M2 and M5 model? M2 is stated as high current, what does it mean?
- some quote me with 16.xx kwp which is SEDA recommended 1.35 ratio to inverter, some quote me close to 18 kwp which is the inverter limit and some told me Huawei inverter for 12KAC can support up to 17KWP panel only. I plan to go for 18kwp with Huawei 12KAC inverter. Is it possible?
- Can I go with 6 KAC inverter x 2 with 9 KWP panel each and connect back to my DB to served as 12KAC system? If given a choice, 12KAC single inverter unit vs 6KAC x2 inverters, which one is better option?

So many type of solar panel brands in the market, some quote JA Solar, Trina, Longi, Jinko, Am I safe to say they are similar quality? Is Bi-facial good for residential house which install on roof top? In term of reliability, are "brand" i need to beware of?

Sorry for so many questions and happy to see any feedback from anyone. Thanks thanks.
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Just my opinion, though. I think that 18kwp system maybe a bit overkil for your average usage of 1300kwh. Even when on certain month when it hits 1500kwh. Do mind that any excess unit will be forfeited by the end of the year and bear in mind that the first 300 units is cheap and should be excluded when calculating the best capacity targeting to maximize ROI
For simple calculation,
18kwp system will generate about 1620kwh units + 300kwh low price unit = 1900kwh... it should be too much even when you have EV next time.
If you keep at 16kwp within 1.35 ratio. You will be generating about 1440kwh +300 = 1740kwh... will still enough to cover all your usage and in this way you have quicker ROI and .
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post Jun 24 2024, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(mrstohchu @ Jun 24 2024, 06:50 PM)
Hi Sifus,

How
does TNB calculate bills?

Eg:
1600kwh usage (assuming equal usage spread out over the whole day). Solar system generates 1000kwh. Meaning import is 600kwh.

Will TNB still imposed ICPT since overall usage is 1600kwh or we will avoid ICPT since net import is 600kwh?

From what i have read/heard so far, some say yes, some say no. Am confused.
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It is not so direct. So that is why the answer is yes and no.
If you import 1600kwh from TnB and then you sell back 1000kwh. ICPT is calculate based on 1600kwh. Total import.
But in real life in the morning, you don't use that much if you have solar, because you will use your solar first then only import from TnB, so in this sense, it reduce your import.
But if you use a lot at night, then still your total import will still be high as at night, there is no solar to offset.


You can read the detail below:
https://www.tnb.com.my/faq/icpt-bm

Pelanggan dengan penjanaan solar seperti Net Energy Metering (NEM), Self-Consumption (SelCo) juga tertakluk kepada pelaksanaan ICPT berdasarkan kategori yang disenaraikan di atas. Pengiraan ICPT adalah berdasarkan penggunaan import (kWj) dari grid. Pelanggan dengan penjanaan solar yang tidak mempunyai storan bateri masih menggunakan tenaga daripada grid dalam tempoh tiada penjanaan dari solar dan oleh itu tertakluk oleh pelarasan ICPT.
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post Jun 25 2024, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(mrstohchu @ Jun 24 2024, 08:20 PM)
Thank you. So it's base on scenario 'WHEN' the electricity is used.

Scenario A
Lets say my system generates 1000kwh and IF my consumption 1600kwh is balanced  (we WFH so day & night usage should be the same) 800 kwh during day and 800kwh at night. We switch on ACs during the day (too hot to not switch on). Theorectically because i use what i produce, 1000-800kwh = 200kwh sent back to grid, i am not importing from the grid during the day. At night i use 800kwh so TNB will consider my import as 800kwh, then less my export of 200kwh and charge me 600kwh. I will therefore avoid the ICPT tax.

Scenario B
If i generate 1000kwh during the day, but household is empty coz everyine works in an office. So, 1000kwh all gets sent back to the grid. At night, everyone comes back and starts using electricity of 1600kwh. It means TNB will consider my import as 1600kwh hence ICPT kicks in, then only offset 1000kwh of my export?

That's how i understand it. I guess got to wait until my system is operational then i will find out for sure.
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Scenario A, you import 800kwh, ICPT calculate based on that.
Scenario B, you import 1600kwh, ICPT calculate based on that.
The calculation is solely based on your import but in the days, your import is being offset by your solar.

nettflix2019 explanation is correct.
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post Jun 26 2024, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Jun 25 2024, 02:06 PM)
is it normal that String inverter is powered by Solar DC and not TNB AC?

then inverter will on and off following the supply from Solar.
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Sorry don't really get your question. My understanding is that the inverter sole purpose is to convert DC power from solar to AC. So ya, TNB power is not use at all. Maybe as a standby power for the power switch or data logger.

And yes, inverter will on and off, happens in the morning when the sun is just not bright enough, sometimes will on and off a few times before it is on fully, based on my observation.
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post Jun 27 2024, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Jun 26 2024, 11:08 AM)
yes, u get my question correctly,
so the inverter will on and off daily, will this reduce the inverter life span?
and is it normal to be installed this way?
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Just my opinion, I think toggling the inverter on and off will not hurt its life span at all. It is not the same as car's idle switch where the car battery degrade when idling stop. It basically just a threshold switch and it is intended to work that way. No need to overthink about it.

If you really really worry about it that much, you can manually switch off in the late evening and only switch it back on when the sun in bright enough. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ahkit123 @ Jun 27 2024, 11:37 AM)
How much ROI?
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This is the golden question which heavily depends on your system size, electricity usage, installation cost and TnB tariff. ROI probably ranging from 25% to 75% not accounting to inflation for a 10 years NEM contract period.
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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Jun 27 2024, 03:06 PM)
just installed solar system yesterday, 7kwh panel, installed solaris cloud app to monitor today, solar panel is 7kw, but the max it reaches in the app is only 5kw, it's pretty darn hot and sunny outside. Not sure why, need to follow up with technician
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Your system is capped by your inverter not your solar system capacity.... Probably you have a 6kw system and then, you minus 10% performance cap, so probably highest output is around 5.6 to 5.7kwh... but generally will be lower most of the time. It is common. That is the reason why the savings quote by agent is overly positive, you probably get less savings. cool2.gif

Another note is that hot does not equal to more power... in fact heat reduce solar PV performance...
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post Jun 27 2024, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Jun 27 2024, 03:38 PM)
you are right, I do have a 6kw inverter. Actually saving quotes by the agent is reasonable, it says I should be able to get 24kwh per day, now it is 3.30pm and I already got 27kwh, but this is in the solaris reading, not in TNB, probably will be lower in the bill according to all the comments I read in this thread.

Also why not match the kw between solar panel and inverter though. 7kw panels for 7kw inverter.
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Getting more than 3 peak sun hour of your system is consider impressive. Good for you! Based on my understanding, the generate power from app is accurate, just that the bill calculation is a bit tricky. TnB will be lower because it is offset by your usage during the day.

It is a rule of thumb that Solar PV capacity of around 1.1 to 1.3 of inverter capacity reap the most cost benefits. Because it is not worth to spend too much on inverter to cater for the 5% scenario where PV output is higher than inverter capacity.
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QUOTE(adamw @ Jun 28 2024, 12:30 AM)
Inverter how many kW?
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Should be 5kW based on standard installation
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QUOTE(Minion Kombat @ Jun 27 2024, 09:55 PM)
Sharing experience:

Applied 2 Apr 24
Installed 7 June 24
Activated 26 June 24 PM

Average electric bill- RM300
Solar panel installed- 9 panels supposedly 5.45 kwp
Today first full day generation according to app- 26.2 kWh

Looking forward to receive the SEDA incentive RM4k  drool.gif
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Wow that is like 5 peak sun hour for a 5.45kwp system. Consider very very good. usually around 3 peak sun hour a day.
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post Jun 28 2024, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Jun 28 2024, 09:17 AM)
There is this written at my 6kw inverter

Rated output power: 6000W
Max AC output active power: 6600W
Max AC output apparent power: 6600VA
Max continuous output current a.c.: 9.5A
can't find STC or NOCT

I never got more than 5.12kw yesterday, if it's 80% i should get more, wonder whats the bottleneck
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The STC or NOCT refers to the PV solar panel, not the inverter. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jul 1 2024, 10:23 AM)
11kwp solar panel capacity
Inverter 12kw hybrid, got monitoring apps
LifePO4 battery 15kwh
DC earthing
Manual change over single phase
Testing & Commissioning

Total RM56,000

Got a quotation from a company in kuching. Monthly sesco bill myr 500 and on single phase.

By investing in this system, you will acquire savings on 99% of your monthly electricity bills. It's a tad too expensive compare to what u guys are paying
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Drop the battery, I think it will reduce the price by quite alot, do not need battery currently, further down the road when battery becomes cheap then only consider.

By the way, sesco bill RM500 is about how many kwh?
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post Jul 1 2024, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jul 1 2024, 10:39 AM)
1586 kwh.
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If TnB in Peninsula, your charges is close to RM1000 compare to RM500 you are paying to Sesco

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