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post Mar 1 2024, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(simmarjit @ Mar 1 2024, 04:01 PM)
KL, bill still high tho, i guess thats what happens when there are 3 power hungry PCs that are on at night LUL, one of which is a 24/7 machine.
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post May 30 2024, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(judesh @ May 29 2024, 06:38 AM)
Guys, advice please..
My electricity bill around 80 but I just got an ev so expect to reach 230-250..
1. 15 yr old Double storey terrace house in Melaka East West orientation with 3 phase
2. Saw an advert for 3.92kWp for less than 13k with 60 months instalment... Is this suitable for me or can recommend anything else..
3. Need to wait for how many months bill before can apply? Last month bill 200
Not looking at ROI.. The way I look at it, if 15k over 60 months is 250 per month which is almost what I have to pay to tnb... No more guilty about switching on aircon in daytime..
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Although number 1, 2 and 3, but seems like you only ask 1 question at 3. No need to wait. You can just ask solar installer to quote you based on how much you want to offset. Try to ask several quotes to compare price.
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post May 30 2024, 01:58 PM

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12 kwp for single phase...
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post May 31 2024, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ May 30 2024, 02:03 PM)
5kwac or around 7kwp for single phase
12kwac or around 17kwp for 3 phase
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Yup... this is correct... my mistake about 12kw

QUOTE(adamw @ May 30 2024, 08:48 PM)
Seda just appointed you as chairman? brows.gif

I know a nice installer but not sure if he does the complete NEM rakyat from A to Z hmm.gif
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Haha... I wish as well... in my dreams maybe. rclxm9.gif
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post May 31 2024, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(judesh @ May 30 2024, 08:12 PM)
So guys,
Anyone got suggestions on which companies to consider and their contacts, can pm me.. Thanks
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Hmm... like buying any expensive furniture or appliances or car, just compare price lo.
You can ask for quotation from GSparx (TNB subsidiary) and then some other you search on facebook or google (Verdant, SOLS, Salarvest)
They will then explain details to you and will conduct a free visit.

Then only you choose based on their strong points or price lo.
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post Jun 10 2024, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(mental007 @ Jun 9 2024, 03:12 PM)
Plus xnergy
4.64kwp
RM28K - 8 panels longi 580wp hi-mo 6
Huawei inverter
My tnb bill around rm300.

Is it worth it? Any better package out there?
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How much savings you are looking for? Around RM200? Your ROI probably will take quit long, maybe more than 10 years.
Your purpose is to go green? if yes, then maybe ROI is not significant.

Please also consider to get quotation from other company. Only when compare other quotations, then you can know your package better as there maybe other factors that such quote is given during the sales representatives side visit.
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post Jun 11 2024, 07:06 AM

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QUOTE(mental007 @ Jun 10 2024, 03:34 PM)
Thanks for the feedback. I'm looking into about RM250-350 savings since my bill might go up in the future due to additional air conditioner etc.

I have approached a few companies (Solarvest, Pathgreen etc).
Solarvest:
6.7kwp
Jinko panel, solis inverter
30K

PG
7.2kwp
Trina Solar  600W
Hoymiles inverter
24K

Looks like the offerings from PG is quite good. 20k after Additional RM4k rebate from solaris incentives from government. about 6 years ROI.

Anything else I need to take note or compare?
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Ya, comparing a few company then you probably know which company offer best. If for me, based on your quotation, I will go for PG as well. By the way, no quotation from GSPARX? But maybe theirs will be slightly more expensive anyway.

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post Jun 11 2024, 07:16 AM

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QUOTE(mrstohchu @ Jun 10 2024, 09:45 PM)
The panel was suggested by the seller. I think he is trying to give me the highest wattage.

I'm going w micro inverter setup because my roof is a smaller scale version of the attached pic. Cannot fit all panels onto 1 side. Have to split it up in clumps of 4 panels on the various roof facets.

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Yes, the technology behind micro inverter sound great where each panel can maximize its efficiently to max and not dependent on the lowest panel, but maybe it is best that if you can ask the contractor to show you the log of that system and compare to log of a string system.

Probably you will notice the difference in energy generated maybe very insignificant.... (I'm guessing though)
My explanation is that, the peak sun hour usually occurs in the high noon 11am to 3pm. During this time the sun is almost on top of your roof regardless of orientation, so micro inverter do very little to contribute during peak generation period (unless your system is so big that a cloud partially shading some of the panel)

Micro inverter system shine during the early morning or evening time, when the sun ray is slanted, but do noted that during that time generation is like in the 20% region or less... So the question then becomes is it worth to invest additional money (micro inverter system will be more expensive than normal inverter) to increase the performance of that 20%.
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post Jun 11 2024, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Jun 11 2024, 09:19 AM)
For my quotation,
Micro and normal inverter same price.
PM me.
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If same price then technology wise, yes, micro inverter is the way to go.
Do also check out about the brand, its app as well. I'm not into inverters much so not sure about it.

What about quotation from other companies that solely only do normal inverters. It is more or about the same price as well?

Then again, if the best price provided is about the same, all other factors is also merely about the same.
Then micro inverter technology is way superior.
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post Jun 11 2024, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jun 11 2024, 12:57 PM)
There are many companies now. Mostly are just established few years ago.

If in doubt, always check the ssm  for reg date.  Choose those with longer history.

Also try to understand the nature of the business. Some companies venture into solar and their core business is different. They could be established way earlier but their solar experience is short.
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Yup this is a very good advise. There is just too many company doing solar now.
There are many that have close shop or change hand/ change name.
Mind you that all the warranties is tie up to the installer company. So if the company no longer exist, so is your 10 years inverters warranty or 25 years solar performance warranty.

It all boils down to one's risk appetite. Besides, solar panels and inverters rarely spoil.
So if you are one of those that must get all warranty... then GSPARX (TnB subsidiary) is one of the better option.
If you do a lot of homework, then can choose those established solar company as well with more than 5 years in operation. A google on their facebook pages or hashtag or customer review will show about when they start their business
If you are ok that solar system last as long as you can get ROI in about 5 years, then the cheapest will do and usually this are the new companies. Because it it ain't broke in the first few months, it probably gonna last a few years at least.

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post Jun 11 2024, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(laihuhng @ Jun 11 2024, 02:45 PM)
Other than GSPARX, any other companies with good reputations? If you checked the responses in Google Review, GSPARX isn't that impressive.
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Haha.. maybe you got me wrong, I never said that there are good. As a matter of fact, their price is often on the high side and their customer service.... hmm... well you know, just like TnB. But my highlight is that there certainly will be around to honor the warranty compare to other new companies that might come and go.

QUOTE(bee88 @ Jun 11 2024, 03:02 PM)
Yeah. But even the Tnb subsidiary is not entirely safe.  Since it’s a subsidiary, the mother company may not be liable for any warranty claim, should its subsidiary shut down. And their chances to roll the shutter is even higher I feel.
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Haha... GSPARX is like the dinosaur in this industry. They have been around since the first Feed in Tariff. if GSPARX not safe then the whole solar industry or SEDA is in trouble. Well the nature of TnB business is Electricity and Grid, so in Peninsula they monopoly. Unless solar energy is no longer sustainable (Government stop NEM project) or TnB no longer do business in Electricity, else this subsidiary will always be there. That's how I feel but ya, different people different feeling.
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post Jun 11 2024, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(Isammmi @ Jun 11 2024, 03:10 PM)
My bill around RM 400-450(Kajang area), these are the quotation I got previously for around RM 500 savings and RM 700 savings for future EV planning. 

1. 8.8kwp, JA solar 550w with Hoymiles, savings monthly 500+, 28.8k cash

2. 9.44kwp, Jinko 590w with Huayu, savings monthly 530+, 30k cash

3. 12.54kwp, Trina 570w with Huawei 12kw, savings monthly 700+, 35.5k cash

4. 11.8kwp, Jinko 590w with Huayu, savings monthly 670+, 35k cash

Conclusion, I installed together with my left and right neighbor, we bulk purchase for option 2, 3 house for 29k cash per system with 1 free maintenance (panel cleaning) within first 3 years, superb service and safety information from salesperson.
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Can I just check... for No.2 What is the inverter size?

So since the system is already up for 3 years. you manage to get the 530 and 700 savings monthly? Care to share with us your average savings or the average kwh generated?
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post Jun 11 2024, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Jun 11 2024, 04:28 PM)
Pathgreen seems ok.
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Well just a simple google will land you with all the big company
https://topsolar.asia/blog/solar-companies-malaysia
https://getsolar.ai/blog/solar-companies-malaysia/

Then just fill up forms or give them a call to come survey and quote. It is free.
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post Jun 12 2024, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Jun 12 2024, 05:02 PM)
oh, mean after install, cannot run until have the new meter.

can't like send the solar power for aircon use, not to TNB?
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You can turn it on, it won't explore or anything, but it defeat the purpose because your meter will run irregularly from both the energy you generated and energy you consume. Worst case scenario is that your meter will be charged on both energy generated as well as consume while the best scenario is that you are charged based on energy you consume (assuming you use more that what you generate), if it still feed back to the grid as you generate more, your meter will still registered as consume.

So all in all... be patient.
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post Jun 13 2024, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Jun 13 2024, 09:15 AM)
i thinking, any device to prevent the solar power go out to TNB before they install the net meter or not
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That device is call a switch... cool2.gif but it stops both incoming and outgoing. there is no 1 way flow valve for AC.

Haha.. anyway it is not so simple even if TnB main is switch off. The inverter of the common PV system is not that capable in balancing the output load to general household appliances.
It is very good in maximizing the solar power generation though.
That's why it is either compliment by our TnB feed or a battery system

Imagine there is no TnB and battery to buffer. So if you suddenly turn on aircond or the refrigerator compressor kicks in, the extra power draw will dip the voltage and cause trip.
The opposite is suddenly the sun is much brighter, the additional current may spoil your appliances.
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QUOTE(kaizoku30 @ Jun 13 2024, 11:28 AM)
Actually there are devices that can prevent export, but question is is the inverter support that function. There this split core CT and electric meter with modbus or serial communication
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Hmm... I'm not sure if it is a build in function for the inverter because for Malaysia NEM, the inverter is place after the distribution board that connect to the meter. So the switching will be at the distribution board, not on the inverter. If the switching function is on the inverter, then it need to be place between meter and distribution board.

Yup, but anyway, as you mention not that it cannot be done, but it certainly not a DIY solution or general electrician work scope.
It need to be carefully calculated on the max and min load and also switching time.

Basically you measure the power of your house load and determine if there is a need to switch supplement from TNB feed. The cost of implementing this totally defeat the purpose of cost savings.

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post Jun 13 2024, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Jun 13 2024, 12:33 PM)
Wrong, not rocket science to prevent export provided that the inverter manaufacturer have this options. For my microinverter I just used a wifi meter unit clamp to the incoming L load & it will communicate with my inverter to give the exact wattage needed. Attached is an example but due to the weather in my place currently the generated power cannot cover my consumption now. If it's any brighter, it should show zero instead of -114w
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Interesting. I see... this is to condition so that the inverter matches the load... If load higher, take from TnB, if load lower, ask inverter to match.

QUOTE(eagle7 @ Jun 13 2024, 01:01 PM)
In reality,  solar power generation can go up and down every minute, and it will be hard to monitor by regularly checking out the TNB metre.

Here is an example of my solar power generation (blue line) vs. my 2 HP non-inverter AC run at 27 °C (orange line) + other organic usage. Those solar energies not consumed will be exported to TNB unless you turn on all your AC (e.g., rooms, hall 1, hall 2, etc.) and set it to 16 °C. When the sun gets dimmer, switch off the AC one after another to match the actual generation.

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There is zero export device from Hoymiles for their MicroInvert to prevent Solar energy from being exported (e.g. after NEM contract expired)
Zero Export Solution

If you are using a normal grid-powered inverter, if you cut off the TNB supply, the solar system will automatically shut down as well and leaving you black out.

If you are using a hybrid inverter, your battery storage system will warn you of low battery or power before it cut off the power to your house.
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I see so generally hybrid inverter comes with no export option. So one can turn on their solar even without NEM meter installed yet. Thanks for sharing
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post Jun 14 2024, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(judas @ Jun 14 2024, 06:05 PM)
Whats the efficiency of your solar panel in %??
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Efficiency as in sun hours? Pretty standard about 3 I guess.
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jun 14 2024, 12:36 PM)
i would just switch on aircon throughout the day to cool the house down, so at night dont need so much cooling...

anyways, will worry about it 9 yrs down... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Jun 14 2024, 02:24 PM)
nonit worry la, maybe at that time, battery is dirt cheap.

or got new tech already, the solar is become junk.

or .....
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Yes, don't worry what will happen in 10 /9 / or 8 years time.
Too many uncertainty. As long as get ROI in within 10 years then when NEM completes... Maybe its time to get new set of solar system (new government package, new inverter, new battery, new higher efficiency panel... etc), or already change house few times,
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post Jun 14 2024, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(judas @ Jun 14 2024, 06:32 PM)
Efficiency of the solar panels in converting solar to electricity
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About 20% maybe.
But generally when looking at penal, it is not mentioned much about the efficiency. At least from my point of view.
It is more about the output of the panel 500W, 550W, 600W or 650W but then again the panel size is also slightly different.

Let say a 7kw system, so we have a 3 sun hour a day.
So it will generate about 7x3 = 21kwh a day. So in a month, it will generate 21*30=630kwh, and probably offset your electricity assuming 50sen per unit, by RM315.


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