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post Jul 31 2024, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(RiriRuruRara @ Jul 31 2024, 01:48 PM)
off topic question but anyone can advice why I cant seem to save on electricity bill? Non solar user here. Example pass 2 days I turn off my fridge and coway water and when I look on the the mytnb it says I used 20kwh a day during the pass 2 days when I had these appliance off but the other days when I had these appliances on my daily usage is also 20kwh a day. Something doesn't add up with me here?

I want to put solar but was quoted rm21k which will take me some time to save up for it..
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I don't really trust the app as sometimes it is not updated and the usage is like a prediction. I will advice you to logged your TnB meter pysically, twice a day, once in the morning and once at night... probably for a week. And during this time you can switch appliances on and off and tracked your usage more accurately.

I used to do that and isolate the culprit to be water filter with both hot and cold water features. Some how I guess the sensor spoilt and the cold water keep working non stop while the heater also keep reheating.
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post Aug 1 2024, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Jul 31 2024, 09:17 PM)
coway is like 0.5KWh per day with turn off cold water.
if on cold water, around 0.8KWh to 1Kwh perday.

fridge, also like 1 to 2 KWh per day only.
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Yup, in ideal case, this appliances doesn't consume that much energy and it is ok just to leave it on 24 / 7.

Mine is something wrong with the sensor and even if I call the technician, they don't even know how to fix or troubleshoot it.
To them, there is hot water, there is cold water... then no issue.

But the real problem is that the ambient water and cold water and hot water is actually all located in a connected tank. The cold water is at the bottom, ambient water in the middle and hot water on top and further heat up when user needs it. So when some sensor spoilt... the cold water continues to cool and the ambient and hot water temperature drop... Due to this, then the hot water also contentiously reheat to maintain hot temperature... and this causes high energy usage.

But if one never logged the energy usage, they will never know as from outside, it is working totally fine.
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post Aug 1 2024, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Aug 1 2024, 10:37 AM)
if the machine got issue, then they should replace it right?
maybe u just buy a energy tracker to track it to proof the machine have issue.

the device around rm20 in shopee only,.
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It is only possible once you isolate and know the issue.
The problem is that many don't know how to debug such problem. laugh.gif
Anyway, just information sharing.
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post Aug 4 2024, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Aug 3 2024, 05:30 PM)
anyone know which meter can support Huawei interver?
to measure how much solar power go to tnb?
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Actually if you google or check shopee or lazada, you can find a lot of such meter.... 3 phase will be more expensive though. Some installation and understanding of wiring is required. But do you really need it? You can do simple back track calculation from your previous months usage before solar.... does the TnB import add up with the missing export from the solar to be within range or your usage pattern? If yes... then why need to spend extra to check the job of TnB meter and inverter log? cool2.gif
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post Aug 4 2024, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ Aug 3 2024, 01:07 PM)
I asked the same question and TS netflix2019 replied.

Means your house consumption from solar 85.55-78, 696-638
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Yup correct... In the day time when generate energy, it will first being consume by your household appliance before being export to TnB, so this missing kwh is what appears to be generated on your inverter but not received by TnB export meter as it is already used in your household.
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post Aug 5 2024, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Aug 4 2024, 04:01 PM)
i see Huawei inverter support SCADA or Modbus connection.
if got mean can complete the system to have all data.
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I think those are for integrator tools, not accessible to end consumers.
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post Aug 6 2024, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(ctys2012 @ Aug 5 2024, 05:18 PM)
just asking, possible effect my bill if my neighbour installed solar on his roof? i logged a case and ask TNB to read my meter again after my bill drop from RM 300 to less than 50
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QUOTE(XP750 @ Aug 5 2024, 05:25 PM)
yeah it happened before,
two houses meters were wrongly connected
one guy paid 300 for his neighbour usage while he sendiri was using 100 only laugh.gif
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Not to say never, but the probability is pretty slim. But actually good for you. Haha... but you are honest to ask for a re-check. Why not you check your meter reading and see if the reading is correct. Maybe the TnB guy did not key in the numbers correctly for this month.
Also, probably you should check with your neighbour as well to see if his solar and bill work as intended.

TnB bill is based on unit used. Do you see the unit you used significantly reduced? The thing is that the reduction in NEM solar installed comes from the export... So in the bill the import is being offset. The import or electricity usage does not drop that much actually, probably 20% for day time... but after applying the offset from export... then it greatly reduce.

So all in all, I don't think it is related that your bill drop because your bill should have no offset.
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post Aug 19 2024, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(manx @ Aug 15 2024, 11:26 PM)
Hi guys,
Among the below offerings, which one is the best?
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Just my thought, but do confirm is the Huawei inverter output is 6kw? If it is, I think it is a bit too low although it is still within the 1.4 ratio. I would prefer that the inverter rate to be higher.
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post Aug 19 2024, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(manx @ Aug 19 2024, 10:46 AM)
i have sourced few more quotations, and below is the updated list.
Any suggestion on which one is good and i should go with.
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If your roof can accommodate the extra number of panels, you don't need to choose the most efficient panel to reduce number of panel, just max out your roof. Choose the one with the best bang for bucks will do so that your ROI is quicker. That is how I think.
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post Aug 21 2024, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Aug 21 2024, 01:09 PM)
From the perspective of buyers it's a very good deal for majority of ppl. Not many ppl can come out lump sum 20k. Many ppl would be extremely happy can get 5k handout just like that. All they know is their daily life has zero impact, no effort required just sign some paper and let it do it's course. 4k cash and get extra rm600 x 3 months while waiting for it.

I am curious about the perspective of sellers. They no scare ppl default on payment?
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Must already have indicate in the contract already, default for 1st month charge how many percent interest... maybe same as credit card 18%. If default is huge enough, either force re-process the system or go through legal to sell your properties... hmm.gif
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post Aug 22 2024, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Aug 22 2024, 09:23 AM)
now days wanna install solar also hard.

my friend engaged few company, all sales ignoring him.
some tell him need to wait 3 to 6 months for installation.

only 1 company reply him, and he take it up,
need to wait until oct only reach his queue for installation.
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Yup, all rush to install to get the RM4000 solaris cash rebate. Not so easy to get quotation and installation nowadays
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post Aug 24 2024, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(manx @ Aug 23 2024, 12:42 PM)
is it worth to add rm250/unit micro-inverter to extend the warranty to 25y (from 12y)?
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I don't think it is worth. Because your warranty is tie to the company, will the company still be around?
Besides, your panel may not last as long or there will be new technology when your NEM is up in 10 years where you may need to change to hybrid inverter.


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post Aug 26 2024, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Aug 25 2024, 11:55 AM)
i using calculator and base on montly bill RM250, i able to save RM178 per month and monthly bill RM72
suggest installation is 3.33kwp with estimate upfront RM16650
payback period 7.8 years which close to 8 years.
is there any company provide warranty up to 10~15 years?

if warranty only cover up to 5 years, then if dmg on year 6, then you ROI will increase again.
it doesnt make any sense to pay my installment in 5 years as i need to pay more compare to monthly bill yet suddenly rosak in year 6.. i still get in trouble.

unless some company provide warranty up to 15 years then i think it worth.
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I think most solar installer offers warranty of at least 10 years, provided they don't gulung tikar.
By the way, there is not much point to look over 10 years as your NEM is only 10 years.
Basically have the concept that your system return to 0 value at 10 years for easy calculation and peace of mind.

You will need to get ROI within this 10 years. And will your ROI outrun let's say a fix deposit ROI?
The general rule of thumb here is that it benefits high electricity usage consumers. The higher your electricity, the better ROI you get.
Some may say that electricity bill will increase and it is a good hedge but the government will more likely continue subsidy or compensate for low usage customer even if electricity tariff increase.
So in short in order to reap the full benefits... considering increasing your usage, probably EV
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post Aug 29 2024, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(Koifreshie @ Aug 29 2024, 11:04 AM)
That I get but surely there will be transmission loss.
Noted. Will have to do it the manual way then. I thot there is some features in app or some way to estimate.

Thanks folks for taking time to answer my noob queries. Waiting for my first NEM bill with bated breath 😅
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The transmision loss within your household is negligible.... Transmission loss happens when sending power over 100 or 1000 of km away.
The difference between your inverter generated power vs the TnB meter will be the usage.
You don't need to turn off your inverter to record those data, you just need to be "rajin" every morning before the sun comes out... let's say 6:30am, you get a meter recording.... then when the inverter shut off in the evening around 7pm, you read the TnB meeter again. then also enter the inverter generated power.... recrord it for 3 days or more... and you can get your morning usage average
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post Aug 29 2024, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(EdEd @ Aug 29 2024, 12:20 PM)
hi sifu sekalian, im eagerly waiting for installation next week. can sifu advise:
1. how long after installation until TNB welcome letter?
2. how long to wait for solaris rebate?

thank you all and may you be blessed with sunshine alwaysss
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Within a month is usually the standard reply from the installers. But generally can be done on average within a fortnight. The fastest posted in this forum is about a week I think

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post Sep 3 2024, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(meors @ Sep 2 2024, 09:21 PM)
Mine installed on 15th Aug, got problem, tripped my house wiring also, sigh. They came fix yesterday 1st Sept but still only 1 phase jalan.

Mine is 10.98 kW, reading today. After 2 weeks only generated this much. Praying hard resolve soon

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Just curious, the trip happen due to the inverter, is there any error code from the inverter, such as over-voltage, under-voltage.... etc.
Did the technician mentioned anything about the cause of the trip?
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post Sep 3 2024, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(manx @ Sep 3 2024, 10:31 AM)
So, after seeing some feedbacks on microinverter setups, are there any suggestions on either single-phase or three-phase microinverter is better to use on three-phase house? Is the power export based on load per phase?? Does it mean, I may be exporting power because the generated power being connected on different phase while consumption at different phase? Or the import/export meter will be smart enough to calculate?

Not much different except for the MPPTs.. HMS comes with 4 MPPTs while HMT only 2MPPTs.

Also maybe HMT has better load optimization.
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It is of course better to use 3-phase microinverter if possible because it is more balance and future proof once the NEM lapse.
On another note.
The smart meter by TnB does not calculate per phase, but the overall. My understanding based on 3 phase string inverter is that it will output the electricity to 3 phase equally, but load in our housewhole is not equal, so in the end some phase maybe exporting while other phase maybe importing but the TnB meter will record the total of 3 phase. It will not show individual phase load or generation.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Sep 3 2024, 12:11 PM)
Exactly. As load is different for the phases, it’s better to use single phase inverters so that you can add in the future to the phase you need to use more. For example, my ev charging phase is hook up with more inverters than the other phases. So it can fully offset the usage without triggering import when I charge in the morning.
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I'm not too sure if we are on the same page.
But I don't think the TNB meter calculate each phase individually, even if you charge your EV in the phase that has now solar generation and if importing but if your net electricity usage is lower than generation, it will still consider as export. That is what I think
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post Sep 3 2024, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Sep 3 2024, 12:17 PM)
Actually dtu will get back the previous data thst is not transmitted. 

So let’s say if u off ur dtu, ur system should work and then once the dtu connects to the inverter, it will sync back the lost data.
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QUOTE(mrstohchu @ Sep 3 2024, 12:28 PM)
Oop...  what you are saying is the exact opposite of what my installer explained...

I guess i just have to hope that all goes well~
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Hmm... I think both are possible depending on how the they implement the microinverter data stack. To know if the sync back occurs... maybe just observed and record the days one or same of the inverters start of really late compare to the other inverters.
Then after sometimes, check back the app and see if the data is updated back, or even if the real time data is missing, the total electricity generation recorded, does it covered back the time when the inverters are recorded as inactive?

To further confirm, If your exported electricity from TnB is larger than what is registered on the apps/system. If yes... means your solar system work but the DTU just dind't received and record the data. But rule of thumb is pretty simple... on a normal day, you should be able to generate around 3 sun hour... so just multiply your system with 3. If you system generate about that, then it is a OK
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post Sep 10 2024, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(mrstohchu @ Sep 4 2024, 07:24 PM)
This is just for sharing.

I experimented today by taking my DTU offline - switched off power supply, pull out plug for 1 hour. From 10:20 to 11:20.

I switched on the DTU at 11:20. Results is no data is recorded for that period - can see the curve hit 0 at 11am which is thr mid point. Also, it does not sync back, even when i check day end.

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Oh... that's mean that DTU logs real time data every minit or so to cloud, the microinverter does not have log history. so anything that is not transmitted then and there is lost. In your case then best to find the best spot to get all microinverter information, maybe place it on the wall close to ceiling laugh.gif

But sincerely speaking, after a few month down the road, you probably will not check it daily... probably just take a quick look or glance through the monthly bill... biggrin.gif

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