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post Jan 19 2025, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jan 16 2025, 10:24 AM)
actually depends on you lor... say in future you buy ev or add sauna and jacuzzi or retire and whole day aircon... then option 2 very easy to add a few more panels to expand... otherwise no point...

who are the vendors?
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Based on the contract with SEDA, we are not allowed to add additional panel to our solar panel system.
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post Jan 19 2025, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Jan 17 2025, 11:52 AM)
mine was average RM450 and i install till 600
friend average 300 install till RM800
so i can confirm SEDA dont care
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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Jan 17 2025, 02:44 PM)
for me i regret not taking higher i should have opt for 800, now not enough to cover
maybe because school holidays kids at home + keep raining in December
my december bill need to pay extra 97
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Wow, your bills fluctuates that much. It is good for you in that case.
But for general advice, the TnB bills don't fluctuates that much... So if you have an average of 1 year of your TnB bill... then it is good to use that as a base to check how much you need to install and not need to over subscribe.

The challenges here is not to get 0 electricity cost (because the first 300 unit will always be cheap)... but instead to strike a balance to offset between high tier of electricity blocks and at the same time get the best balance of solar power system. For solar system, there is an initial price threshold due to labour cost and transportation, but the kw generation will get cheaper as capacity increase until a level where the next inverter may cost more or you run out of roof space. tongue.gif
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post Jan 19 2025, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(bleeper @ Jan 17 2025, 05:12 PM)
Since everyone talking about cost, what do you all set as the tariff price in your solar app?
My vendor set it as 0.571 / kwh. Is this the same for you all?
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No need to do average... prepare an excel sheet and just get the data from your solar app and also TnB as cross reference.
Calculate in excel every month.
Accurately down to the very last cents. cool2.gif
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post Jan 19 2025, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jan 17 2025, 04:40 PM)
Great piece of advice. For myself, I actually only need 5kwp system to cut to the first 300kwh tariff brackets. But was quoted 20k then for that, and 7.2kwp is for 23k, so it is a no brainer to get the 7.2kwp system. That leave me to almost zero TNB bill per month, ROI wise both also about 5years, but I have more flexibility to add another EV few years later
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Hmm... I just try to work on the math problem.
Assuming a 5kw system produce = 450kwh (5kw x 3sun hour x 30 days) while a 7.2kw system produce 648kwh
Assuming your monthly usage is 750kwh (so you want your original 5kw solar power system to offset the higher tier and left you with 300kwh lower tier), in ringgit, your 750kwh cost RM320.25 (bill calculator from https://myelectricitybill.my/bill_calculator_domestic.html).
With a 5kw solar system, your usage will be 300kwh costing RM71
With a 7.2kw solar system, your usage will be 102kwh costing Rm20.20, so difference is Rm50.8 extra savings per month
So you spend additional 3k for the system

Rm3000/50.8 = 59months = about 5 years

For a 5kw system, your monthly saving is RM249.25. The ROI is obtained after 20000/249.25 = 80.24months = 6.69months
For a 7kw system, your monthly saving is RM300.05. The ROI is obtained after 23000/300.05 = 76.65months = 6.39months (THIS)

So in short, for your system, it is better to get the higher capacity system because
Cost to generate 1kw in 5kw system is 20000/450kw = Rm44.4 per kw
Cost to generate 1kw in 7.2kw system is 23000/648kw = Rm35.49 per kw


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post Jan 21 2025, 02:40 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jan 19 2025, 10:44 PM)
cannot apply for additional power from seda?
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Not allow to add without SEDA approval, but if reapply for upgrade is a different story.

But if you ask contractor to do for you, it won't be cheap. And if you are just adding additional panel, not much contractor will want to do it. cause less profit.... so they will either charged high labour cost or turn you down. In short it is not so worth it. (this is case of buying bigger inverter waiting to install more panels later)

But if like your usage is too high, and after factoring all additional cost, upgrading is still worth for you... then be it lo... it all depends to your kwh tariff tier and the upgrade price.

This post has been edited by cdspins: Jan 21 2025, 02:45 AM
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post Jan 21 2025, 02:56 AM

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Jan 20 2025, 06:08 PM)
The bill only show solar that has been exported out to TNB minus the what is imported in for your TNB usage.

When power is generated by solar and flow to the meter, they will be diverted to be consumed by your daytime usage aka refrigerator, day time air-cond, light, etc. Any balance will be exported to TNB. The solar power that was consumed BEFORE the balance was exported out to TNB is the missing number between your total solar generation and TNB calculation.

For eg, my solar generated 866kwh on Dec but exported only 618kwh. I used 656kwh on TNB power...
So my usage minus the export is 38kwh and was charged 2.18 cents for each unit not inclusive the taxes.

That means my day time direct consumption from the solar panels is 248kwh. That is 1/4 of the solar generation already, while night usage are way higher.
That is mostly without aircond in daytime (coz December mostly cool month)...Also we are not in for about a week except for 1 person at home.

Imagine when hot weather comes and daytime air-cond will be use before my 80 years old mom get dehydrated from heat...hehehe...

I need at least 1/4 or 1/3 more solar panels but my roof almost full liao.

One disadvantage of micro-inverters for 3 phase, each inverter is connected to a phase. Meaning if 1 of the phase need more power than the connected microinverters can provide, the other inverters connected to other phase with more solar power cannot help, have to import from TNB instead. Any balance from other phase will be exported to TNB.

The hoymiles has 3 phase microinverters but surprisingly they have only 2 mppts vs single phase microinventers with 4 mppts. So we opt for single phase inverters for efficiency.

If only my roof can take string inverter...but the panels are spread out too wide and at odd numbers.
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3 phase power unbalance is very common, in usage and so in generation as well. I don't think there is any issue if 1 phase is drawing power from TnB and 2 other phase is exporting. The TnB bill will be charged based on the units you consume... that's all to it.
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post Jan 23 2025, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Jan 23 2025, 11:00 PM)
🌨️🌨️🌨️ day day cloudy - can't even hit peak
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Ok lah... means your air cond work less as the temperature is cool and your electricity usage is not that high as well
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post Jan 27 2025, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(mikeyyh @ Jan 24 2025, 11:58 AM)
I have 2 DB Boxes, one at ground floor inside store room, the other one at first floor. Both are 3 phase.

My solar provider advised to install the inverter on my first floor DB Box, reason being it's easier for installation and they have done it before. They said no issues electricity generation and offset of the kWH sending back to TNB.

Has anyone done this before and any concern I need to lookout for?
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I think it is very common practise to install on 1st floor or top floor DB box... because it is nearer to the room then need not pull longer DC cable.
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post Feb 1 2025, 01:50 AM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ Jan 28 2025, 09:42 AM)
for tnb billing ...will not receiving hard copy of bill ?
billing have to check via tnb app ?

thanks ...
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No hardcopy, since you are green.
They do send you email copy.
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post Feb 5 2025, 01:14 AM

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QUOTE(bleeper @ Feb 3 2025, 02:29 PM)
Tnb guys cut my power by removing the main fuse for testing my voltage (I asked them to check for some Overvoltage spike) and my solar stopped generating power. Is this normal?
So that means during day time if there is tnb outage then we also will not have power despite solar panels being installed?
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If you noticed non hybrid inverter, you will noticed that it requires power from the grid to turn on
Besides the inverter required external power be it from the grid or battery to maintain a stable power output from the solar
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post Feb 5 2025, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(skywardsword @ Feb 3 2025, 07:33 PM)
16+kwp. 12kw inverter.
I probably would be emo... when some microinverter setup repot their Jan 2025 generation stats.
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Wow, the oversizing is slightly over the maximum 33%. You noticed longer saturation during high noon? hmm.gif
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post Feb 16 2025, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(RiriRuruRara @ Feb 16 2025, 08:53 AM)
This smallest version cost you about how much to fix?
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based on his message. he say take 4.8 years and his bill is RM240, so just reverse and will get
4.8 x 12 x 240 = 13824
So if add the RM4000 rebate, the cost will be RM17824..... I guess biggrin.gif
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post Feb 28 2025, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(swing123 @ Feb 28 2025, 03:43 PM)
Today just have the roofing guy fixed the water leaking. Asked his view for solar panel and if it will cause roof leakage. He said each panel weighs 20kg, having 12-16 panels up there will strain the roof tiles in few years time. If the tiles underneath got leakage, then need to call in crane to lift the panel to fix the roof.

Anyone heard/encountered this before?
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Haha... 20 Kg... what big ass solar panel your roof guy seen. Quite light only the panel. One person can easily carry it up.
On top of that, the panels does not rest on roof tiles, but on a track supported by truss and beam. basically the weight is not on the tiles...

really tok kek roof guy. cool2.gif
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post Mar 1 2025, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Feb 28 2025, 05:22 PM)
Eh.  It’s more than that bro. I carry it. Damn heavy. Spec sheet says about 25kg. Some can be 30kg
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QUOTE(thankyou @ Feb 28 2025, 05:31 PM)
The roof guy is not wrong.... tak kan you install 100/200w panel... even 100w panel is 7kg+-... 400w panel is > 20kgs

but yeah... the panel is not sitting on top of the roof tiles directly, by right it shouldn't cause any strain to the tiles
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Thanks for this info... Haha... I didn't pick it up myself... I see the installer easily pick up one and climb up the ladder to the roof ... I thought it is light. Haha.. I guess they are very well trained.
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post Mar 3 2025, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Mar 2 2025, 11:49 AM)
question, are you able to add more panels later on without changing the inverter? Since the max power output is the same , do you need to declare to SEDA?
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Mar 2 2025, 12:28 PM)
Yes and no
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bee gives the most direct answer and it is correct.
Since you are asking such question, I guess you are not DIY and you may have few information on how inverter works. If your inverter is not the microinverter type, you can add and daisy chain the panel.. but this may throw your system efficiency off balance. Usually the panel to inverter ratio is keep within 1.3
If you are going to employ someone to help you add additional panels, it may not be cost effective and you end up not saving or very bad ROI.
The best advise is that if you are expecting your electric usage will increase (EV or new member into house)... then just upsize before installation. A bigger system have faster ROI although you maybe generating excessive in the beginning but once your usage reach your predicted amount, then you will get back the ROI instead of upgrading in the middle. Just my 2 cents.

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QUOTE(kons @ Mar 3 2025, 12:56 PM)
one of my houses is using 750 kwp per month...

the solar people estimated 7kwp solar panel...

is it good enough? they estimated around rm 70 savings per month..
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You mean 750kwh?
Just estimate, 7kwp system assuming 3 sun hour daily, so your system normally will generate = 3 sun hour x 7kwp system x 30(days) = 630kwh.

So you will need to pay for 750-630 = 120kwp which is the lowest tier unit block.
Basically the proposal is reasonable. The first 300 units is quite cheap so usually the Solar system only try offset the higher units to get the fastest ROI

But the question is that will you be increasing your usage in near future, buying an EV or having new household member or maybe install additional aircond. Do factor in this as well.

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QUOTE(MrBaba @ Mar 27 2025, 12:17 AM)
My friend solar panel kena petir , cannot claim warranty ... Really topkek
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Any electrical appliances, kena petir also cannot claim warranty lo from manufacturer, not just inventer.
No need to buy specifically solar system insurance, Home content insurance will also cover the inventer in this case.

Solar system insurance advantage is just that it also compensate your solar generation loss during the down time.
If just worry about inverter price, normal home content insurance will do.
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QUOTE(Kiding @ Apr 4 2025, 05:11 PM)
my huawei string inverter also faced same problem where TNB input voltage is above 253V, I reconfigured the inverter power protection high voltage threshold to 254.5V, so far no issue since then.
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If it only happens once in like months, then there is no need to set higher. But if it happens twice a week, then yes, can consider to increase the threshold.
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QUOTE(7up @ Apr 12 2025, 11:01 AM)
if move house, can bring the solar system along?
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Yes and No, If you are with the NEW contract, the answer is NO, the contract it tie to the TNB account of that house unit.
If you setup solar for your own usage and not connected to grid, then you can move it.

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