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post Oct 10 2024, 06:16 PM

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On the other hand, investors who voted against the Exchange Offer will continue to hold the Existing Perpetual Sukuk. Though we opine that upon the successful issuance of the RM450 million senior sukuk, the Company will proceed to call the remaining Existing Perpetual Sukuk upon the next call date in March 2025 given the coupon reset clause, which the coupon rate of the Perpetual Sukuk will surge to around 9%.


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post Oct 10 2024, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 10 2024, 08:27 PM)
you voted against it?

now i am wondering whether i should take additional units of the new sukok....
most likely i will take lah... 6.2% irresistible
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I voted for the Exchange based on other investors and CIMB saying that 75% would have been achieved before Tropicana would go ahead and put it to vote at an EGM. So voting against it wouldn't have counted anyway. Though the fixed term Exchange has it's merits, I just wanted to get my investment back, to get a clean exit, after 5 years which is a very long time. And free the funds for other possibilities.

Now I am thinking that Tropicana may just redeem the existing bonds of those who voted against it, so that will give them an earlier exit. Why would they want to pay 9-15% coupon forever? But if they do not redeem and also defer the coupons, susah lah for these folks. But think unlikely to happen.

Will be interesting to see whether there will be good demand for the new bonds upon issuance hmm.gif

If you are interested to buy more, we can talk on the side hahaha.
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post Oct 14 2024, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Oct 14 2024, 06:10 PM)
FSM is gone bonkers. I just got this email. What does it mean?

Dear Valued Client,

Thank you for investing through FSMOne.

We are writing this email regarding the extension notice of Tropicana Exchange Offer.

Please be informed that the extraordinary resolution voting conducted during the EGM on 8 October 2024 was not carried, investors who have abstained or rejected will not be exchanging to the new Sukuk and will continue to hold onto the existing Perpetual Sukuk.

The Issuer has decided to extend the Exchange Offer to all Sukukholders who have abstained or rejected the Exchange Offer until 18 October 2024. As such, we are reaching out to you again to seek your final decision on the Exchange Offer.

If you do decide to change your mind and accept the Exchange Offer, you will be:

- Exchanging your Perpetual Sukuk for the New Sukuk,
- Receive a consent fee of 0.25% of the principal amount in cash and,
- Accrued interest from the Existing Perpetual Sukuk.

Kindly respond to this email if you intend to accept the Exchange Offer by 3pm, 15 October 2024 (Wednesday). If we do not get a response from you, we will consider your previous actions as final.

For clients who have already voted to accept the Exchange Offer previously, there is no action required from you.

For more information, please refer to attached document.

Please feel free to contact us should you need further assistance.

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FSM already told me the voted on behalf of all Bond Express bondholders in favour of the resolution. They said we cannot vote individually. So why am I getting this email? Anyone knows? Also, looks like Tropicana is not giving up, they want another 3% acceptance to hit the 75% threshold. Seems kinda desperate, I wonder why.
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Yeah, a bit strange, since FSM already voted FOR on our behalf, as is their right. No need to ask us now. Unless they mean each full lot of 250k, not under FSM.

Think it is not possible to change the vote to >75% now, to make Exchange mandatory. It's just to encourage more acceptances, to reduce the potential redemption for Tropicana, if that is their intention.

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post Nov 11 2024, 09:43 PM

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Any update on Tropicana Exchange Bond, anyone?
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post Nov 14 2024, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 13 2024, 09:26 PM)
I just login my FSm
Tropicana remains same
Perpertual 7%....

i just wasap FSM Bond KC no reply.

is ok lah, lagi lambat convert lagi best
pay us stepup rate  9.0%
no problem.
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Yesterday (13th) my CIMB account was credited with 3,645.55 with some reference numbers and description "CIMB Bank Investment". I assume it has something to do with Tropicana bond, the amount seems to be roughly the 0.25% consent fee plus 9% accrued profit (25/9-13/11?) on 250k bond lot, tho I have not calculated it exactly. We untung due to the delay in the issuance of the new sukuk thumbsup.gif

Did anyone else receive such a credit, and verified the calculations?

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post Nov 15 2024, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Nov 15 2024, 12:29 AM)
Yes correct.

{[(49 / 365) * 9% ] + 0.25%} * RM250,000 = RM3 645.55
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FSM1 hasn't credited it yet tho
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post Nov 15 2024, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 12 2024, 11:55 PM)
converted today, tomorrow New sukok would be issued.

if can get below RM100 at FSM  i plan to buy
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No buyers or sellers for either the 6.25% bond or the 9% remnant. Which one would you prefer to buy?

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post Nov 15 2024, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 12 2024, 11:55 PM)
converted today, tomorrow New sukok would be issued.

if can get below RM100 at FSM  i plan to buy
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Board lot traded today at 101.50.

CIMB RM says the Bank's Bid price atm is around 98 - seems rather low hmm.gif

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post Nov 18 2024, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Nov 18 2024, 10:01 AM)
FSM has effected the exchange offer however I didn't receive the accrued coupon for the 9% bond or sweetener of 0.25%. Anyone else got it?
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Coupon of 9% and consent fee of 0.25% credited today.

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post Nov 22 2024, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 21 2024, 02:15 PM)
yes received fsm abit late
you guys can sell at FSM.. 
FSM profit RM1.50, take  98.50 sell 100
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To buy and sell, we can only key in at the asking and bid prices, respectively, i.e. it is for immediate matching? We cannot queue at other prices, e.g. if we wish to "park" to buy lower (unlike stocks)?

And can we key in an amount that is higher that what the asking volume is?

If there are no bid/offer prices, we also cannot key in orders?

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post Nov 22 2024, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Nov 22 2024, 11:26 AM)
Yes I already shared that the FSM Bond Express exchange is a scam bond exchange. There are no market bids/asks, merely bid/asks from FSM at their own predetermined prices. If there is no volume on offer by FSM, you cannot buy or sell - this is the case for 90% of their Bond Express bonds.
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post Nov 22 2024, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 22 2024, 01:48 PM)
buy bond yes, you can key in lower price
but need  put cash in Account
7days no stocks, you claim back money
all the time cant get it, waste time and effort only
Sell i never tried
Not scam lah
willing buyer willing seller
we dont like we dont take it

is all open and transparent
you get what you see, nothing hidden.
can win meh if you really bring lawsuit?

i think sure lose
reasons:
1)make money in the open not wrong, price as stated
dong forget to get there u got to click agree agree.. so
how to win?

2)FSm buy from seller got risk
cant sell FSM sendiri tanggung
is not like FSM cant sell it off can go  ask seller to take back
and return money to FSM
but i support what you asked for
real live trade, we buy direct at the price client sell
but this is not the case now because

FSM team told me they are trying to get approval for that
if can  let buyer and seller deal direct ,
then FSM no need take risk sure cheaper lah

For now what we see  there for sale is
what FSM has bought up and paid to clients already
cannot sell FSM sendiri  tanggung!
so want to make 1.50 nothing wrong there
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I just tested a buy order on BE. The FSM selling price is defaulted, there seems no option to change the price lower.

On full lot of 250k, yes, can set the price we want to buy at.

I agree that FSM will need regulatory approval to allow open market trading but I feel that 1.50% is too much of a spread, as they are already making buying and selling commissions. They are acting as the sole buyer and sole seller, having some ability to dictate pricing, and they also have the option of consolidating their BE holdings and disposing them as full lots outside of this platform. They also have cheap holdings from before the Bond Exchange was proposed.

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post Oct 11 2025, 03:25 PM

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DJCMK 10.000% Perpetual Corp.

Stepped up from 9.00% on 25 September 2025 due to no call?

Did Tropicana pay the coupon due on 25 September?
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post Oct 15 2025, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(spiderman17 @ Oct 15 2025, 04:42 PM)
Yes, stepped up due to no call.
Yes, coupon was paid in end Sept.
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I wonder why Tropicana is not settling the sukuk, or refinancing, instead choosing to pay very high coupon rates, at a time when interest rates have dropped? It's not a huge amount. After all, they have repaid at least one bond this year.

Do you think it's a good buy (subject to availability) for the high yield, since they continue to pay the coupon? They can't afford to default. Sooner or later they will have to redeem no, given the step up coupon each year?

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post Oct 16 2025, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Oct 16 2025, 12:06 PM)
I cannot brain it as well and it is definitely worth a buy.

My gut tells me their insiders/cronies are holding this sukuk (they didn't accept the offer to switch to the other bond) and are laughing to the bank.

There doesn't seem to be any legitimate reason to keep it in the market and pay the step up rates.
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Wow, that is an interesting thought.

Super unethical if true! mega_shok.gif
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post Oct 16 2025, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 16 2025, 03:50 PM)
I think you guys are too emotional and angry
Call back or not is in our own hand now...

You want call back now easy...

Can always sell our sukok now ....and price rm100 or more...and go back to buy the perpetual bond ....now selling below rm100. The door is open wide....

I would only be outraged if the price of our sukok now is under water and price of the perpetual bond above rm100.00 that is where you can say you are being played out by Tropicana....logic or not you think about it...
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Not angry, just want to know investment possibility now, and the risks.

I did not see any buyers in FSM1 for the perpetual bond the times I have checked, but now Isee
got buyer at 98.00... thumbsup.gif

Bond market yields have plunged since mid year, can hardly get RM papers yielding more than 4%; this perpetual has become more attractive.

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post Oct 16 2025, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 16 2025, 06:51 PM)
if u ask me choose between the old perpetual bond and the new converted sukok,
i take new sukok.

if you take  the same view,...then we should thank Tropicana

not calling back no problem
sell our sukok  we can get more money
than the  call back

also no reason to jealous previous bond holders
paid 9% coupons

if we want we can also get that... just buy
at cheaper price some more!
below RM100.

so  no matter how i look at it also i cant find a reason
to feel being played by Tropicana
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Thanks for sharing.

For the 10% Perp, atm there is a buyer at 98.00 for 250k, but there are no sellers (I didn't see any when I checked b4), so maybe in practice it's not that easy to buy, unless one offers a higher price. I believe the current buyer is FSM1 as it is disclosed that it's the principal. So there is no open market system yet, we only deal with the Principal?

Does the system allow a buyer to input whatever is his desired price and quantity, or does he have to follow the current price of 98.00 (and join the Q)?

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