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post Aug 11 2023, 12:47 PM

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Part of me wants Boehly to splash the cash and win the bid for Caicedo, buy Lavia AND Kudus.

But a better part of me wants to be rational. Chelsea has to come to an end with all the overbidding.

Many said Chelsea should have just give 100m from the start but whose to know if Liverpool has always been in the background and in contact with Brighton after Macalister sale, that they will ready to counteroffer with a higher bid for Caicedo, using Lavia as a smokescreen that they cannot afford Caicedo. Liverpool also offloaded a number of midfielders to Saudi, they are thin, desperate and Caicedo + Macalister combi makes sense for the premium price for instant chemistry.

Just that Chelsea really played it late until now that the season is about to start and Liverpool cannot wait anymore and shown themselves from the shadows.

Either way, I am okay if Chelsea matches Liverpool's current bid and let Caicedo choose but I am also okay if we walk away and let Liverpool take the cake at 110m.

Caicedo at most is only worth 70-80m. Fans are still too used to Roman empire days where we had oil money being pumped out from the ground to splash.

100m is too much for a one season wonder. Imagine we win the bid from the start by offering 100m as requested, I am sure Brighton will come up with some crap and argue with our payment structure. And imagine if 100m Caicedo underperforms like Potter and Cucu. Fooled me once, shame on you. Fooled me twice, shame on me. Fooled me thrice? We might as well be labelled as Brighton's blue b**** because we enjoyed being f by them AT the ridiculous prices.

Just walk away. 100m for a 21 years old who so far performed well for a season is already ridiculous. There maybe better findings at better less inflated prices. Get Lavia and Kudus in now. Now we have spare cash to get another striker (and maybe another GK)

One thing I hope the management learn is not to waste time twerking for so long if the price is beyond what we value the player.

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post Aug 11 2023, 03:31 PM

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British record fee wor, I think Liverpool will come out with this bid even if Chelsea arrived at 100m pounds earlier because Brighton are greedy seagulls.

Time to look away and bag Lavia and Kudus, unless we have tiny itsy bitsy hope that Caicedo says no and insist for Chelsea (but nowadays, no such drama la).

Wow, TT bags Kane for 100m euro. Wonder if we offered 110m euro, would that botak accepted it?

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post Aug 11 2023, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(Kerplunk @ Aug 11 2023, 03:36 PM)
100% this. In no way, shape or form is caicedo a £100+ million player, these numbers are reserved for super talents who can grab the game by the scruff of the neck and win you matches, like hazard, neymar, and mbappe. 1 great season and he's suddenly at their level? No way. I'm surprised pool blew their budget on him, they could've used that in their pursuit of bellingham, but instead chose to panic buy a DM. Our payment terms were never going to be accepted by brighton, as we were always going to spread it out and include a bunch of add ons. We were already burned by cucurella. Good on the ownership to learn from that lesson. It's been a crazy and drawn out saga, but if we're going with adams and (possibly) lavia for less than £80 million, I'll take it.

It's up to poch now to make things click and judging from our pre season, there are great signs he can get the best from our players. It's so refreshing to finally see a cohesive system in place, instead of huge abnormal gaps in midfield, or slow, turgid build up in every single attack. I'm more upset with nkunku's injury rather than missing out having to grossly overpay on a transfer target tbh. But I'm still looking forward to the new season 💪💪
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Fans be like why don't want to spend another 5-10m more?
When you value a player like Caicedo at best, 60-70m......by bidding 90m, you're already stretching and overpaying by 20-30m. That "just another 5-10m" is stretching it to overpaying by 30-40m. Overpay is one thing. To overpay to Brighton, lagi cannot accept. Maybe thats why Liverpool manage to get World Cup winning Macalister so cheap, because they were always going to come for Caicedo or at least going to help Brighton to push the price up. I keep finding it strange why Brighton sold Macalister so cheaply, tak masuk akal.

Cannot imagine the stress and pressure to perform at 21 yo as the British record transfer. Don't get me wrong, I like him but not that price.
Remember the feeling we had when Nico Jackson surprised us (considering his price) and how Lukaku/Morata disappointed us.

I hope we don't try to outbid Liverpool and use that money for Lavia, Kudus and Olise. Or Amrabat?




Jurgen Klopp on Man Utd signing Pogba for €100m in 2016:
"The day that this is football, then I'm not in a job anymore.
"Other clubs can spend more money and collect top players. I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I had that money."
Today, Klopp has signed Caicedo for £110m (€127m).

Welcome Jurgen.

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post Aug 11 2023, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(Alexdino @ Aug 11 2023, 06:18 PM)
no, I think we go for Lavia when we are aware of Liverpool's interest. Remember weeks ago brighten said some club in EPL ask about Caicedo, I bet is Liverpool.
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Yes, I believe so too. If Southampton taken up our offer, then I think we won't compete fiercely with Liverpool who will win easily at 100m.
Maybe Liverpool already contacted Brighton that they are ready to +10m to whatever is Chelsea's final offer. Brighton has nothing to lose by informing Liverpool about our final offer. Auctions are like that.

I believe we weren't expecting a bidding war hence we took our time, especially when some of our rival clubs already done their big purchases. Arsenal with Rice, Man Utd with fake Haaland, Mount, Onana, Man City with Gvardiol (and they don't need a DM), Livarpool with Szobo and we seldom see them doing bidding war.

Good lesson for our management team about managing an EPL team and our transfer market, could be a very costly one.

Now they are going all out because maruah tercabar. laugh.gif

Ps. I rather we focus our 110m elsewhere at this stage because I don't want to give Brighton any more money.
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post Aug 11 2023, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Aug 11 2023, 06:31 PM)
If know his potential, then should've paid that 100m when liverpool wasn't in the picture right

It's like kante regen, except we got kante for cheap
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If we are in the market for only one player, then maybe can do it straight up but Brighton is never going to make it easy for us because we will try to structure instalments. And Chelsea still looking to do more deals.

Also, you made it sound as though if Chelsea bid 100m, Liverpool won't join the bidding war? And Brighton will just accept it without trying to start a bidding war? It is not like 100m was the release clause.
Brighton never honours their words. I don't know about agreement that Brighton said to Caicedo that they will let him go if an 80m bid comes in.

Let's see, it was reported publicly that Brighton said they will take the highest offer by Thursday midnight. If suddenly they accept Chelsea's higher bid, there you have it, they are just bloody greedy seagulls and the results would have been the same, a massacre bidding war beyond 100m

Liverpool have been relatively quiet and lukewarm with Lavia deal, probably waiting to attack at this moment.

For once I hope Brighton is true to their words, deal close and done with Liverpool. Then we move on and focus elsewhere.


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post Aug 11 2023, 06:53 PM

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UPDATE CAICEDO > Chelsea
BREAKING! Chelsea have this morning presented an improved package to Moises Caicedo, and have contacted Brighton about new terms per Chris Williams
Breaking: Tyler Adams's move to #Chelsea isn’t complete yet. There could be a possibility he may end up at Brighton if Chelsea sign Moises Caicedo per TheSecretScout
Chelsea this morning asked Moises Caicedo to wait as they explore a way of hijacking Liverpool's own hijack. Caicedo hasn't travelled for a medical yet. #LFC have a £111m deal agreed with Brighton, but CFC actively exploring options



115m for Caicedo and give Brighton a free pass to go for cheaper Lavia alternative, Tyler Adams?

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post Aug 11 2023, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Aug 11 2023, 06:54 PM)
Bodo la

Now show the world how desperate you are
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Maruah Amurican Papa Boehly tak boleh dicabar!! bruce.gif
And this is the guys who are looking for investment to upgrade stadium. doh.gif
Who wants to invest if the owner throw money on silly bidding wars.

What can Brighton do if Caicedo don't want to go to do his medical for Liverpool? sweat.gif

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post Aug 11 2023, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Aug 11 2023, 07:03 PM)
He won't refuse liverpool unless chelsea give up their pursuit

If still waiting for chelsea offer and player still keen to come to chelsea over liverpool, then brighton need to ask chelsea to at least match the offer

Same same je

We copied barca's playbook with raphinha and kounde lel
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But I am surprised if Caicedo is really waiting for us. We don't have European football neither we have any Ecuadorian in our team. Or is it Brighton haven't sign off the transfer forms yet......waiting like the greedy seagulls until they get the signal that Chelsea has given up.

Salary I supposed it is similar either way. The medical that Liverpool booked for Caicedo be like "where the heck is this guy?" laugh.gif

Or will we get to laugh at Liverpool's medical team who is still waiting for Caicedo who went to Chelsea to do his medical? rclxs0.gif

No, not at this crazy fee. Please, let it go Boehly.

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post Aug 11 2023, 07:16 PM

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As much as I want us to exit this war but I also don't want to betray this man's trust in us. He wants us!

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post Aug 11 2023, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(fzrnhkm @ Aug 11 2023, 07:15 PM)
Do it now, boehly

Caicedo’s literally juggling his ass in front of your face
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Boehly : Brighton, you have no other choices. Here is 50m, take it or leave it.
Chelsea fans : bangwall.gif
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post Aug 11 2023, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(hhng @ Aug 11 2023, 07:21 PM)
Since kena Barcelona jinx, toddy learn the la masia trick haha
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100m amortized in max of 5 years. 20m a year.
Okay, skip Tyler Adams and Lavia. Use Santos as DM backup.

Okay, jalan! Bring the boy home.
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post Aug 11 2023, 11:07 PM

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Oh course this stage need the owner to come in and make immediate decisions instead of leaving the manager who has limited power to make decisions.

Hope to wake up tomorrow with news that deal agreed and medical completed

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post Aug 14 2023, 02:32 PM

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Colwill, Gallagher and Sterling was poor when starting but they warmed up later and started performing. At first Salah was bullying Colwill with experience but later on Colwill placed Salah in his pocket.
Sterling also was poor until he started his combi play with James in the later stage of 1st half. Can see he was getting tired and should have been replaced in the 60th minutes onwards.
Gallagher not good in tight and high pressure positions but made it up physically to win balls back and making perfectly timed last ditch tackles, saw at least a few of them.

Disasi's mistake and lack of awareness on Diaz's run for the first goal and he made it up with his own goal.

Damn, proper number 9 like Jackson really made a whole lot of difference, ala Harry Kane style, who is everywhere on the pitch to pull defenders out of position and to assist to build up the play.

Now Caicedo has joined us, we are really cooking.
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post Aug 15 2023, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Aug 15 2023, 10:16 AM)
yeah.. he really crazier than RA.  laugh.gif
Hopefully he got plan in place like susah sekarang, senang kemudian or we will  sweat.gif
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Maybe next few years won't have much signings because we have already signed most of the youngsters that we needed.
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post Aug 15 2023, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(Akmall540 @ Aug 15 2023, 03:02 PM)
I dont surprise if Boehly decided to bid Evan Ferguson from yes u guess it right (BHA). This fella is young, talented, a proper striker. ticks all the box according to boehly preferences.  biggrin.gif
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Cheap cheap one, I think okay la. Farming for future (and for Chels-bourg).

Hopefully we don't keep going into bidding wars like Caicedo case, but he does fill up an important role for defense and to free up Enzo.

I am curious why Enzo is labeled as DM? Did he play and perform as DM previously despite how we plan to use him now as a playmaker?

Aiyo, cannot wait for the coming game to see how we perform with our 200m (or almost 300m with Lavia) midfield. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Aug 15 2023, 03:46 PM)
macam kena reported by mata merah Liverpool owners  laugh.gif
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How and why Chelsea have ZERO issues with FFP!
https://youtu.be/dYktOnzx9ec

Those without accounting background might not understand but this is how is explained.
No issues with FFP for now, but it might boil over if we don't increase our revenue in the future


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FFP : Chelsea’s estimated amortised spending in the past three windows under Boehly and Clearlake, using initial transfer figures reported by The Athletic, comes to £157.2 million - this significantly lower number is almost entirely offset by an accounting profit from player sales of £149.6 million over the same period! (@TheAthleticFC)

So it is estimated to be costing us 157.2m per year. This year alone, we sold 149.6m, so that old man from Liverpool got nothing on us.
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post Aug 15 2023, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(Akmall540 @ Aug 15 2023, 05:09 PM)
we still got lakaka, ziyech and cho for sell.

lakaka- 30m
ziyech -25m
cho - 10-15m

this will further offset our financial status to avoid that ffp sanction.
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Itulah. They haven't seen our final form yet. tongue.gif

Just imagining LFC midfield trio, Lavia, Fernandez (Enzo) and Caicedo. 2 young and fit offence destroyers and 1 creative playmaker, dayum we're cooking a "nice meal."

Pity we really don't have much games to play, no European games. Even Conference League would have been great for some youngsters to get some minutes and develop some chemistry.

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They laughed when we spent 600m and fell to 12th spot and says money cannot buy success and fell out of European games.
They cried foul play when we started offloading our players to Saudi but started to keep quiet when they too sold some players to Saudi.
They tried to outbid us and thought people will choose them because they were "better prospect."
Then they will cry and moan when we spent 1b and raise to the top and say we bought our success and was because we weren't playing in Europe and had better focus.

Team rebuild is now complete in my case.


I am not really seeing Chukwuemeka's contribution at the moment. Or at least in the game against Liverpool, didn't really noticed him and his purpose on the pitch but I noticed Gallagher more (losing the ball in tight areas but also winning the ball and making perfectly timed tackles). Hope Poch sees his strength to keep him or else, other teams saw his qualities and want to bid higher price for him, like 50-60m pounds. Then our books for this year is even more in the green for FFP. Come on West Ham, we know you got money after you finally woke up from a daze and pull out of Maguire deal. I wonder if Liverpool would swallow their pride and ask for Gallagher and whether we would let him go to Pool? It would be a real slap for Gallagher as he made it very clear that he wants to stay.

Crystal Palace pissed that we activated Olise's release clause? Harlow, it is a release clause. Clever guy/agent to prevent another potential case like Caicedo.

Now only Wednesday. Never had I ever felt a week's time was so long until our next game.

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post Aug 16 2023, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Aug 16 2023, 02:49 PM)
they only see what we spend and buy but forgot what we sell and how much

If we compare this transfer windows net spending only, they will keep quiet about their spending much more net spending compare to us.

Dunno Boehly got cystral ball or pure lucky, majority buying all done last transfer windows before the Saudi open their big cheque books this transfer windows buying up whatever & whoever want to come.

If Boehly start buying this transfer windows, all price will jack up for sure for all players we brought previously or at least will encounter price war due to limited young quality players availablity
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You may wonder if Boehly got the crystal ball but Boehly could have been the one gaslighting and kickstarting the whole mass purchasing process. He went over there to chitchat with Saudi about something, if I remembered correctly.

Ya, they might not realised we actually sold more than 200m pounds in this window.

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