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 Say India IT bad but last last also still go India

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post Jun 30 2023, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(No Wear Mask @ Jun 29 2023, 11:08 PM)
But people say cannot rely and actually caused more financial damage over time? Some say they had to replace the entire India team and that caused more money?

So bad but still ppl choose India IT?
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coz lots of CEO like their Western politikus are on board short term few years only, they will just take whatever instant financial result numbers and fark long term cost / benefit
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post Jun 30 2023, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(No Wear Mask @ Jun 29 2023, 11:00 PM)
I noticed that many MNCs still go back to India for IT outsourcing.  I mean big joke right? For the past decade say India bad but last last still go asking help from tata, capgemini, infosys and 101 other small indian IT companies.  Why they dont outsource from Malaysia or Thailand or Vietnam?

Even big mareshian companies also look gor Accenture India. Why ar? I thought India IT no good?

Any explanation?
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CHEAP
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post Jun 30 2023, 10:29 AM

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because it dont matter, you ask for IT? gives you IT, job done, margin accomplished. wash hand, Take next job, cycle & repeat till company bankrupt
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post Jun 30 2023, 10:29 AM

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You cannot run from them.
We recently decided to subscribe to one of the world's leading SaaS providers.
We thought we would be dealing with the AMDK team for our migration and custom development, but behold, here they are, the bobblehead people suddenly flooding the Team's meeting room.
And that's the start of our nightmare.
The pattern quickly presents itself.
Starting from 'yes, yes, we can,' we've done this and that, it's very possible' to missing the deadline, suddenly frequent no response from their team for days, and the typical excuse: what we can deliver is not what we promised.
We can see our multimillion-dollar investment will bite our ass back soon.

Fck!

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post Jun 30 2023, 10:30 AM

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bcos cheap & fast... no need recruitment susah payah locally

most of the companies project based one

just wana make timeline, account look good..close case take bonus impress board, not really wana make good product

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post Jun 30 2023, 10:30 AM

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cheap ma

coz cash is king

just like how some would prefer hire fresh grad for cheap salary
fresh grad pay with 10 years experience the best
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post Jun 30 2023, 10:31 AM

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if you talk to management , not skill but cost lol
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post Jun 30 2023, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Jun 30 2023, 10:29 AM)
You cannot run from them.
We recently decided to subscribe to one of the world's leading SaaS providers.
We thought we would be dealing with the AMDK team for our migration and custom development, but behold, here they are, the bobblehead people suddenly flooding the Team's meeting room.
And that's the start of our nightmare.
The pattern quickly presents itself.
Starting from 'yes, yes, we can,' we've done this and that, it's very possible' to missing the deadline, suddenly frequent no response from their team for days, and the typical excuse: what we can deliver is not what we promised.
We can see our multimillion-dollar investment will bite our ass back soon.

Fck!
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Better ditch them soon. Cut your losses bro
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post Jun 30 2023, 10:32 AM

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if customer facing product support like VMware, Cadence, atlassian support, they are good, but if internal issue, sometimes they are bad.
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post Jun 30 2023, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Jun 30 2023, 12:24 AM)
I notice a consistent trend across a bunch of MNCs

When an Indian got appointed on the C level or VP level, suddenly a lot of jobs will get outsourced to India
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This is something they are familiar with and maybe because why they are appointed in the first place... cost control and cutting if possible.

Heck, if u are appointed, surely need to look good in front of shareholders. What better way to show off by increase profits by maintaining or reducing cost
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post Jun 30 2023, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(2feidei @ Jun 29 2023, 11:03 PM)
CHEAP  biggrin.gif
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like 5 rupee kiss
10 rupee sleep
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post Jun 30 2023, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Jun 30 2023, 10:29 AM)
You cannot run from them.
We recently decided to subscribe to one of the world's leading SaaS providers.
We thought we would be dealing with the AMDK team for our migration and custom development, but behold, here they are, the bobblehead people suddenly flooding the Team's meeting room.
And that's the start of our nightmare.
The pattern quickly presents itself.
Starting from 'yes, yes, we can,' we've done this and that, it's very possible' to missing the deadline, suddenly frequent no response from their team for days, and the typical excuse: what we can deliver is not what we promised.
We can see our multimillion-dollar investment will bite our ass back soon.

Fck!
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This the pattern from 2005 until 2020, thats why i thought companies would start to move away from despite the 'cheap' cost.
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post Jun 30 2023, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(No Wear Mask @ Jun 29 2023, 11:00 PM)
I noticed that many MNCs still go back to India for IT outsourcing.  I mean big joke right? For the past decade say India bad but last last still go asking help from tata, capgemini, infosys and 101 other small indian IT companies.  Why [SIZE=14]they[/SIZE=14] dont outsource from Malaysia or Thailand or Vietnam?

Even big mareshian companies also look gor Accenture India. Why ar? I thought India IT no good?

Any explanation?
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define they

This post has been edited by hollyweed: Jun 30 2023, 10:38 AM
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post Jun 30 2023, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jun 30 2023, 10:32 AM)
Better ditch them soon. Cut your losses bro
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Cannot bro, millions already paid for 'consultation' process
The project is part of our top management punya kpi, the biggest slice iinm, any kind of delay/change plan is not acceptable, else it will jeopardize their contract renewal
You fakap top management punya kpi, they will fck ur kpi x9999 more
Right now our seniors dev is working hard to ensure the project is on track lol
Heck, they even started to help those useless bobblehead doing their job

Bobble: 'No, it cannot be done'
Our dev: 'It can, we did some study, u can do it like this'
Bobble: 'Oh yes, that one can do"

doh.gif
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post Jun 30 2023, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Jun 30 2023, 10:41 AM)
Cannot bro, millions already paid for 'consultation' process
The project is part of our top management punya kpi, the biggest slice iinm, any kind of delay/change plan is not acceptable, else it will jeopardize their contract renewal
You fakap top management punya kpi, they will fck ur kpi x9999 more
Right now our seniors dev is working hard to ensure the project is on track lol
Heck, they even started to help those useless bobblehead doing their job

Bobble: 'No, it cannot be done'
Our dev: 'It can, we did some study, u can do it like this'
Bobble: 'Oh yes, that one can do"

doh.gif
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Ah man. I will always keep 10 feet pole away from these idiots.

Morons who complete documentation first before doing the actual work and that also badly done job

Sorry to hear that lol. Next time better do due diligence. I will always hire locals or worst come to worst from Philippines or Vietnam

This post has been edited by bananajoe: Jun 30 2023, 10:45 AM
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post Jun 30 2023, 10:48 AM

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Answer is all over the thread: cost.
Go survey leverage cost per head count.
Some examples: India IT per headcount cost USD500 vs Malaysia per headcount cost USD700

You do businesses you also will choose cheapest
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post Jun 30 2023, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(2feidei @ Jun 29 2023, 11:03 PM)
CHEAP  biggrin.gif
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No longer cheap... their good Developers are most costly than us now!...

We are the cheap labor now cukur.... we gonna be the India of ASEAN in next 1-2 years with all the brain drain happening...
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post Jun 30 2023, 10:57 AM

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lol, I was expecting the stereotype of India IT before I click on this thread and I am not disappointed
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post Jun 30 2023, 11:01 AM

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duno sharp or which company also outsources their aftersale service to India.

niamahai, when i give him my address i need to spell out every fucking alphabets.

that's just the beginning of the nightmare when i made the call. they have absolutely 0 fucking idea of what to do. the only instruction they have is follow the fucking book, and anything beyond, just stay stunned and dont answer single shit until the other side gave up.

my oh my... malaysia mnc and their disgusting lack of responsibilities
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post Jun 30 2023, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jun 30 2023, 12:27 AM)
The problem is no matter how bad Indian's IT persons are, they are still better than what is available in Malaysia...

ops... I meant Malaysia don't even have any IT savvy persons. What to do...
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