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Chrix
post Jul 5 2023, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Jul 4 2023, 06:53 PM)
Why need to remove windows tinting? If pass 50% VLT should be ok?
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if your confident in the:
installation of the tint
quality & accuracy of the tint
accuracy of the device used to measure
competency of the user in conducting the measurement
spending more time & money to repeat the process

may retain windscreen & front door tint and power through the puspakom inspection
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post Jul 5 2023, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(mot88 @ Jul 4 2023, 08:18 PM)
Yes, no need to remove if confident paas 50% VLT for front sides  window as per Puspakom machine reading. Those sold online portable VLT reader is reading 6 ~ 8% higher than Puspakom, i.e Puspakom reading is very stringent.

Rather than going 2 rounds (if failed), most will remove it. A dirty window will also affect reading.
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Puspakom normally will just fail you as soon as they see still got windows tinting. Once fail, you tear your tinting on the spot also they won't layan you unless you book next available inspection session.
So just remove it before inspection for a peace of mind. Unless your cable kuat and know the inspection guy.


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post Jul 5 2023, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(Chrix @ Jul 5 2023, 08:42 AM)
if your confident in the:
installation of the tint
quality & accuracy of the tint
accuracy of the device used to measure
competency of the user in conducting the measurement
spending more time & money to repeat the process

may retain windscreen & front door tint and power through the puspakom inspection
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Once I challenged my tinting guy since they claim their tinting is 100% JPJ compliant, if kena saman, bring them the saman and they will settle.
Then I asked since JPJ can pass, Puspakom should be OK also. They told me, Puspakom more strict, they offer to remove tinting for free when I sell my car next time.
Cos chances of failed inspection very high if got tinting, waste time and money only just to proof your tinting can pass Puspakom.
Nowadays also got shops offering 'bare windows rental'. Bring to shop, they swap the glass, you bring to Puspakom/JPJ. Once approved and get inspection report, bring back to reinstall your windows with tinting.
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post Jul 5 2023, 03:00 PM

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my relative who only had security tint on his car, it was like >95% VLT, still get immediate fail from Puspakom
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post Jul 5 2023, 03:14 PM

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Wah so strict. I have Puspakom inspection this Friday. Better I go remove tmr.
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post Jul 5 2023, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(tinkerfy @ Jul 5 2023, 02:58 PM)
Once I challenged my tinting guy since they claim their tinting is 100% JPJ compliant, if kena saman, bring them the saman and they will settle.
Then I asked since JPJ can pass, Puspakom should be OK also. They told me, Puspakom more strict, they offer to remove tinting for free when I sell my car next time.
Cos chances of failed inspection very high if got tinting, waste time and money only just to proof your tinting can pass Puspakom.
Nowadays also got shops offering 'bare windows rental'. Bring to shop, they swap the glass, you bring to Puspakom/JPJ. Once approved and get inspection report, bring back to reinstall your windows with tinting.
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Thats why its just easier & hassle free to remove tint, I do my own buying & selling, thus I've removed tint multiple times.

Sewa cermin is not new, exist for decades...but now days is dead business as new tint rules for rear windows is relaxed. In past, JDM cars with privacy glass in rear all have to sewa to get inspection, now days no need. I sold me MPV with limo tint aka 100% no issue.
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post Jul 6 2023, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(tinkerfy @ Jul 5 2023, 02:58 PM)
Once I challenged my tinting guy since they claim their tinting is 100% JPJ compliant, if kena saman, bring them the saman and they will settle.
Then I asked since JPJ can pass, Puspakom should be OK also. They told me, Puspakom more strict, they offer to remove tinting for free when I sell my car next time.
Cos chances of failed inspection very high if got tinting, waste time and money only just to proof your tinting can pass Puspakom.
Nowadays also got shops offering 'bare windows rental'. Bring to shop, they swap the glass, you bring to Puspakom/JPJ. Once approved and get inspection report, bring back to reinstall your windows with tinting.
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Isn't swapping car windows WORSE than removing tinting? That's like literally removing and attaching windows?
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QUOTE(unitron @ Jul 5 2023, 08:25 AM)
nope, you can handle it directly yourself with the bank loan officer and no need to pay "processing fee" of those stealers.. i mean dealers  tongue.gif
Did it for 3 cars already. Don't even need to personally meet up, can just email everything, except for sign loan docs, that one meet up easier.
Yes, for sure boleh.
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If buying unregistered Recon cars from dealers, do they still need to send it for PUSPAKOM inspection? Or it's already done when the car is imported into Bolehland?
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post Jul 6 2023, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(Kar Weng @ Jun 27 2023, 03:20 AM)
Have been browsing Carlist.com for a month and I noticed, whatever model of car you search, there will be a 10-20x longer lists of “Dealer” compared to “Private”? Same thing on Carousell or any other platform, it’s always full of dealerships than direct car owners wanting to sell their used cars.

Since dealers are notorious for tempering with mileage/odometer, lying about accident/flood/ownership history and such, why do people still sell to them instead of selling to end users interested in used cars?

The logic is, since dealers will always want to buy at the lowest price (understandably since it’s their biz nature), why don’t ppl just sell directly to interested buyers? Do dealers save you so much time that buying/selling with them make it more worthwhile than buying/selling with individuals?
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Normally people sell cars because their new car just arrived and they need to offload the old car quickly to pay for the new car's deposit and so on. Not that many people got ready cash.
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post Jul 6 2023, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(Kar Weng @ Jul 6 2023, 12:16 AM)
Isn't swapping car windows WORSE than removing tinting? That's like literally removing and attaching windows?
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If tinted using expensive film, redo will cost like RM700-800 but swapping windows cost RM120, why not?
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post Jul 6 2023, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Jul 5 2023, 03:14 PM)
Wah so strict. I have Puspakom inspection this Friday. Better I go remove tmr.
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From what i heard, any tint whatsoever will fail Puspakom... their meter macam rigged to fail you unless you're 100% factory.
My car after fully remove the tint, means no tint whatsoever, go Puspakom the reading just barely passed.

e.g front must be >70% VLT... and my factory windscreen get reading like ~75% VLT only.
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QUOTE(Kar Weng @ Jul 6 2023, 01:16 AM)
Isn't swapping car windows WORSE than removing tinting? That's like literally removing and attaching windows?
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it is quite common especially those JDM vehicles with dark factory glasses. you don't even notice the windows have been removed and swapped from ori to clear glass and back to original.
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post Jul 8 2023, 06:28 AM

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Damn mafan deal with individual buyers, plus dangerous
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post Jul 9 2023, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Jul 6 2023, 08:30 AM)
From what i heard, any tint whatsoever will fail Puspakom... their meter macam rigged to fail you unless you're 100% factory.
My car after fully remove the tint, means no tint whatsoever, go Puspakom the reading just barely passed.

e.g front must be >70% VLT... and my factory windscreen get reading like ~75% VLT only.
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Yup. Just got my car passed. Removed the front 3 pieces RM 40. bye.gif

QUOTE(rcracer @ Jul 8 2023, 06:28 AM)
Damn mafan deal with individual buyers, plus dangerous
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Why dangerous?
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post Jul 9 2023, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Jul 9 2023, 01:00 AM)
Yup. Just got my car passed. Removed the front 3 pieces RM 40.  bye.gif
Why dangerous?
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Test drive, get in car, take out knife GG
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post Jul 9 2023, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jul 8 2023, 06:28 AM)
Damn mafan deal with individual buyers, plus dangerous
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Bought 10cars all from inidividual
Sold 8 cars all to individual

I think the mafan one is your assumtions laugh.gif

QUOTE(Icehart @ Jul 9 2023, 01:00 AM)
Yup. Just got my car passed. Removed the front 3 pieces RM 40.  bye.gif
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Its literally peeling sticker off glass, could do it yourself if time permits.

My last MPV sold to buyer, he basically saw today, pay tomorrow so I had to rush to remove the tints, had to do it after work in the night inside basement parking. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Chrix @ Jul 9 2023, 09:30 AM)
Bought 10cars all from inidividual
Sold 8 cars all to individual

I think the mafan one is your assumtions laugh.gif
Its literally peeling sticker off glass, could do it yourself if time permits.

My last MPV sold to buyer, he basically saw today, pay tomorrow so I had to rush to remove the tints, had to do it after work in the night inside basement parking. laugh.gif
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How do you handle payment?
Do you get the payment first only thumbprint?

My buyer will meet me at runner's home to conclude the transaction. Both of us first time dealing individually on cash basis. My previous dealing were with banks and they acted as intermediary.

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post Jul 9 2023, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Jul 9 2023, 12:05 PM)
Do you get the payment first only thumbprint?
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Between seller & buyer, agree on the payment method before hand.

Bankers cheque:
Safest, as the funds HAVE to exist & paid to the bank, then the bank issues the cheque to the named/buyer. Thus from buyer perspective, its confirmed funds available unlike personal cheque. But some not so up-to-date people dont even know this exist, so as seller, they also not aware. Then you can ask them go inquire with their bank of choice about what is a bankers cheque.

If cash:
Agree on a meeting place, prefer bank ATM as immediately deposit into machine. However due to this being a manual & not immediate process, both party need agree this is done before or after JPJ.
Actual experience:
a) Buyer gave cash at ATM, I deposit into ATM. I give him keys & reg card immediately, so as seller I have the $, and as buyer took the valued property (altho from eyes of the insurer, you willingly gave your keys & property to others). I immediately go JPJ while he drives back to his state, once I thumbprint, I give him the slip and he can complete the transfer at any JPJ within 7 days. New owner details need match with what seller gave at form.
b) Buyer gave cash, I was surprised as back then I assumed he meant bank trx, never the less, we counted the cash in Tesco(?) at gombak IIRC... this was 2007-2009. As buyer he confident can do JPJ with runner (this was before thumbprint, just isi form last time) without me there.
c) Most recent, bought a vehile from foreign national, now this cant be done at UTC, must be JPJ branch. I upped my online limit, daily limit, FPX limit & ATM limit.....but somehow someway the damn bank still enforce the default limit. At this time I had to explain to seller, I am sorry I have the proof that credit increased but bank side dont reflect. We agreed, while in line at JPJ, we do first. He keeps the keys & reg card & car. We meet at closest bank to take out $ over the counter.
d) A fisherman's son came from Kedah to purchase my car on Sunday, I assuemed he will look at car Sunday, then Monday we go puspakom/JPJ la. Mana tau, we meet at restaurant, he have not even seen the car with his eyes, he already gave me cash in his bag. I was taken a back, I told him come lets see the car first, he was satisfied, we go Maybank bandar baru ampang & took the $. He drove back to Kedah. The car was KP plate anyway, I believe its Kedah plate?....not sure. It was an restomoded 80's car. Each nut & bolt changed, chassis full antirust done.

Bank transfer:
Easiest, just before your turn at the counter, trx the $.

Personally, as seller I will want get $ first, so I make it easy for buyer I portray & give them all the confidence in the car, they can test & even bring family/foreman come see.

The MPV I sold, he brough his friend & they did the famous unreel the seat belts to see signs of water/flood. I told him if he knows, then I will also know & I will clean it. Instead I lifted the big carpet, till can see chassis, I told him look how dusty it is... if flooded, it will be sqeeky clean haha.
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post Jul 9 2023, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(Chrix @ Jul 9 2023, 06:49 PM)
Between seller & buyer, agree on the payment method before hand.

Bankers cheque:
Safest, as the funds HAVE to exist & paid to the bank, then the bank issues the cheque to the named/buyer. Thus from buyer perspective, its confirmed funds available unlike personal cheque. But some not so up-to-date people dont even know this exist, so as seller, they also not aware. Then you can ask them go inquire with their bank of choice about what is a bankers cheque.

If cash:
Agree on a meeting place, prefer bank ATM as immediately deposit into machine. However due to this being a manual & not immediate process, both party need agree this is done before or after JPJ.
Actual experience:
a) Buyer gave cash at ATM, I deposit into ATM. I give him keys & reg card immediately, so as seller I have the $, and as buyer took the valued property (altho from eyes of the insurer, you willingly gave your keys & property to others). I immediately go JPJ while he drives back to his state, once I thumbprint, I give him the slip and he can complete the transfer at any JPJ within 7 days. New owner details need match with what seller gave at form.
b) Buyer gave cash, I was surprised as back then I assumed he meant bank trx, never the less, we counted the cash in Tesco(?) at gombak IIRC... this was 2007-2009. As buyer he confident can do JPJ with runner (this was before thumbprint, just isi form last time) without me there.
c) Most recent, bought a vehile from foreign national, now this cant be done at UTC, must be JPJ branch. I upped my online limit, daily limit, FPX limit & ATM limit.....but somehow someway the damn bank still enforce the default limit. At this time I had to explain to seller, I am sorry I have the proof that credit increased but bank side dont reflect. We agreed, while in line at JPJ, we do first. He keeps the keys & reg card & car. We meet at closest bank to take out $ over the counter.
d) A fisherman's son came from Kedah to purchase my car on Sunday, I assuemed he will look at car Sunday, then Monday we go puspakom/JPJ la. Mana tau, we meet at restaurant, he have not even seen the car with his eyes, he already gave me cash in his bag. I was taken a back, I told him come lets see the car first, he was satisfied, we go Maybank bandar baru ampang & took the $. He drove back to Kedah. The car was KP plate anyway, I believe its Kedah plate?....not sure. It was an restomoded 80's car. Each nut & bolt changed, chassis full antirust done.

Bank transfer:
Easiest, just before your turn at the counter, trx the $.

Personally, as seller I will want get $ first, so I make it easy for buyer I portray & give them all the confidence in the car, they can test & even bring family/foreman come see.

The MPV I sold, he brough his friend & they did the famous unreel the seat belts to see signs of water/flood. I told him if he knows, then I will also know & I will clean it. Instead I lifted the big carpet, till can see chassis, I told him look how dusty it is... if flooded, it will be sqeeky clean haha.
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If everyday can MC like you go ATM, wait buyer come view bla bla bla is ok

Rest of us have normal lives
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post Jul 9 2023, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jul 9 2023, 08:27 PM)
If everyday can MC like you go ATM, wait buyer come view bla bla bla is ok

Rest of us have normal lives
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laugh.gif laugh.gif

if you need MC just to get perform a personal task, then this is time management problem.

Tak pe, we share useful things to all so everyone can benefit, but if one is more comfortable in their bubble, continue onwards to your path.

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