Some /k might just be on the money that this could well be a lure trap for the Ukraine, imagine not moving in during a potential civil war to do max damage and retaking the desired territories.
Yes yes, like how the whole Kyiv axis was a feint for the Donbas move, which in turn went nowhere for 8-9 months, and now in turn is going to be undone. I think it's a little overreaching to suggest it is a trap for Ukraine. Let's face it, the Russian elites are just a evil, immoral nest of vipers waiting to turn on each other at the earliest chance when they sense weakness. Money talks in Russia and each and every one of them would sell the others out if the price is right.
Yes yes, like how the whole Kyiv axis was a feint for the Donbas move, which in turn went nowhere for 8-9 months, and now in turn is going to be undone. I think it's a little overreaching to suggest it is a trap for Ukraine. Let's face it, the Russian elites are just a evil, immoral nest of vipers waiting to turn on each other at the earliest chance when they sense weakness. Money talks in Russia and each and every one of them would sell the others out if the price is right.
still got ppl think prigozhin will stay loyal to putin after this coup if he get rid of shiogu n gerasimov hahahaha
every man is for himself now, greed and money trounce everything else, and those ppl actually trust an evil person like prigozhin to keep to his words? LMAO
SOMEONE KNOWS Btw this was from 2 months ago, so now we know who the real big brains is, and it's not master strategist Putin.
QUOTE(rooney723 @ Jun 24 2023, 06:44 PM)
still got ppl think prigozhin will stay loyal to putin after this coup if he get rid of shiogu n gerasimov hahahaha
every man is for himself now, greed and money trounce everything else, and those ppl actually trust an evil person like prigozhin to keep to his words? LMAO
still got ppl think prigozhin will stay loyal to putin after this coup if he get rid of shiogu n gerasimov hahahaha
every man is for himself now, greed and money trounce everything else, and those ppl actually trust an evil person like prigozhin to keep to his words? LMAO
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Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin has said that Vladimir Putin was “deeply mistaken” to call him and his forces traitors, telling the leader that he and his men would not surrender.
Mr Prigozhin described himself and Wagner forces as “true patriots”, in the first statement made since the Russian President delivered a televised address on Saturday morning calling the Wagner mutiny “treason”.
In his most direct comments made against Vladimir Putin since the start of the war in Ukraine, Mr Prigozhin said: “And no one is going to surrender to the demands of the President, FSB, or anyone else.”
One possible scenario i can think of is he disarms/destroys the siloviki by turning the MoD to his side. Then he can reduce Putin into a puppet and eventually get him to step aside/abdicate.
This whole campaign tragically mirrors events of the past. Putin aspired to channel Peter the Great, but he's more like an unfortunate mix of Ivan the Terrible, Hitler and Nicholas II.
One possible scenario i can think of is he disarms/destroys the siloviki by turning the MoD to his side. Then he can reduce Putin into a puppet and eventually get him to step aside/abdicate.
looks like wagner not standing down. i am sure Prigozhin didn't start it without a plan, he at least i would like to say is more cunning than the russian generals.
QUOTE(empyreal @ Jun 24 2023, 06:55 PM)
sounds like he's going all the way.
so you are on Wagner side and not russian MOD/Putin?
looks like wagner not standing down. i am sure Prigozhin didn't start it without a plan, he at least i would like to say is more cunning than the russian generals. so you are on Wagner side and not russian MOD/Putin?
id be surprised if prigozhin wins, but striking fast after capturing rostov (a key supply depot) is probably the best chance he has.
its like caesar rushing back from gaul after being denounced by the senate. came back too fast for rome to mobilise and the senate had to flee. wont be surprised if putin and his cabinet tries to escape tonight.
edit: apparently putin might have just skipped town.
This post has been edited by empyreal: Jun 24 2023, 08:22 PM