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News Ukraine army launches large assault on SE Ukraine, Probable probing attack on Russian lines

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chaosneo
post Jun 18 2023, 09:30 AM

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morale is good.
and the retreating russians left so much munition but i am not sure why they called it mines, it looks like mortar bombs and a lot of them.


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post Jun 18 2023, 12:44 PM

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there is always so many rumors about Ukrainian leadership killed here and there.
there was Zelensky got killed last year, early this year the Valerii Zaluzhnyi got killed, and now Budanov...

i think that high profile is very hard to keep secrets or intend to.

QUOTE(Etude8891 @ Jun 18 2023, 12:30 PM)
That said he never appeared in public since too
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chaosneo
post Jun 18 2023, 12:46 PM

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a non partisan media says definitely affected.




QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 18 2023, 12:39 PM)
The west: "Sanctions will break the Russian economy!"

Meanwhile the Russian economy:

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post Jun 18 2023, 12:53 PM

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i don't think he died 😂
but i do suspect that he may have a medical condition, the seriousness of it is the question.

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 18 2023, 12:47 PM)
I think I heard someone seriously said Putin had already died from cancer a while back and all we see now are the doubles

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post Jun 18 2023, 03:50 PM

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where you get that statement?
i watch the whole video and none said that.

in fact the video show good morale and the injured wanna wave as well and show the battle taxi evacuating the injured.

even injured, he was worried that artillery may target his unit. pretty good for a soldier 👍🏻
all in all , show Ukrainian soldiers and unit care for their own.


QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 18 2023, 03:40 PM)
"How dare the Russians use their advantage in artillery and airpower to defeat us instead of fighting us man-to-man? Such cowards" laugh.gif

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post Jun 18 2023, 06:12 PM

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i am wondering how they are capturing POW when they are being pushed back...
like under constant assault, any defenders while facing a barrage, taking POW is the last thing on the mind probably.





QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 18 2023, 06:03 PM)
There was a big night last night in Zhaporizhia it seems

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post Jun 18 2023, 06:36 PM

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you mean OSINTDEFENDER?
that one is not pro ukrainian and many in the comments bashing it so for being pro russians lol

by the way, i wouldn't be so fast to trust russian sources as they have, proven in many many times, doctored images, put fake videos, over imposed images or vidoes, claim fake death of Ukrainian leadership, claim to have destroy more things than Ukrainian military have.

i would also say that Ukrainian sources also done some same similar but not so blatantly like the russia media did.

i mean if it makes you happy for trusting so or just want to promote russia success though such method, by all means. 🕊️


QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 18 2023, 06:18 PM)
One has videos and photo evidence, while the other does not. Which scenario fits better?

Seems funny Ukraine is readily believing russian sources now. The source for that pro-ukraine post literally has a Russian Z on it.

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post Jun 18 2023, 07:25 PM

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please kindly read.
what i mean is to give it a thought first.

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by the way, i wouldn't be so fast to trust russian sources as they have, proven in many many times, doctored images, put fake videos, over imposed images or vidoes, claim fake death of Ukrainian leadership, claim to have destroy more things than Ukrainian military have.
QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 18 2023, 07:11 PM)

You warn about not trusting Russian source yet the guy whose tweet you quoted about is literally sourcing his tweet from a Russian source.

Suddenly like "This Russian source has nothing to gain from not telling the truth about this particular matter, but any other time it's all just Russian misinformation tho".
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post Jun 18 2023, 07:42 PM

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probably did because regarding that town situation, it has been posted across both sides confirming what is happening there.

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 18 2023, 07:38 PM)
I wonder if that guy you quoted gave a thought first or not when he tweeted something totally based on a russian source tho
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post Jun 19 2023, 08:48 AM

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post Jun 19 2023, 10:31 AM

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even if they manage to stop it, its too near.
the shockwave may have generate some concussion or damage ear drums.

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 19 2023, 10:18 AM)
Russian engineers packed a T-55 with six tons tof explosives and remotely drove it towards Ukrainian positions. The VBIED didn't quite make it to the Ukrainian lines but probably still did a lot of damage.

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post Jun 19 2023, 11:03 AM

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they have a lot of old tanks.
it is not a bad tactic actually. just not one by itself.

maybe the next wave of such automated kamikaze tanks may come in 3-7 units?
even if one manage to made it through to the defense line could be catastrophic.

though i would query the effectiveness of it.


QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jun 19 2023, 10:53 AM)
Not denying the sheer destructive power of course, but the longer this conflict progresses the more low tech and crude the weapons the Russians use. Stuffing 6tons of explosives into a sacrificial vessel made of an obsolete weapon seems like an act of desperation and points to both the field engineering ingenuity and the declining industrial capacity of the Moscow regime. Reminds me of the Mistels of the Luftwaffe or the remote IEDs used by ISIS.
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can't say whether it is bearing fruits yet but the last seven or so days , yes , a lot of munition depots has been targeted and yesterday was one that shown a big big explosion.

QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jun 19 2023, 11:35 AM)
That's why destruction of logistics points, where ammo and explosives are being accumulated has been a priority of the Ukrainians to this day. It looks to me that the efforts are bearing fruit. Given the widespread shortages, it's unlikely that the Russians will be able to industrialize this capability to the point of it being a game changer. Maybe it will just inconvenience or delay the inevitable by a bit.
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post Jun 19 2023, 12:29 PM

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i hope russian military believes it then, so they can chill and drink some vodkas.

QUOTE(kiasunkiasi @ Jun 19 2023, 12:11 PM)
siput size country Estonia also can have a say?  hmm.gif
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post Jun 19 2023, 01:02 PM

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not exactly a bad idea.
troops movements and supplies movement will be caught on satellite or intel leak.

Ukraine has been bombing troop assembly area or munition depos. its a risk every time russia bring in more troops or munitions, it will show. i suspect this is how they find out. movement / traffic / frequency of a place.

which reminds me, every time a few munitions goes exploding, we see some videos posted by russian soldiers requestion for ammo. as well as when russian defensive area fall back will ask for ammo and supplies, this actually endangered the supply depots from being reveal as traffic and movement will increase somewhat i think.


QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 19 2023, 12:55 PM)
That's another week of Russians digging and bringing in more people though. Ukraine is the one need to take initiative.
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post Jun 19 2023, 01:13 PM

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i am just very curious how STATIC DEFENSE (example, trenches, pillboxes, fox holes) will perform in today modern warfare.

WW2 where the imminent combat range is 500m to 1km? snipers add another 1-2km?
artillery and mortars serve as area suppression than actually accurate fire and air bombing + ground coordination is slow.

unlike WW2, imminent combat range now is 500m to 5km? auto grenade launcher, FPV drones, bomber drones, ATGMs, mobile short range rocket fire, recon drones to support mortar and artillery fire. instant fire correction method. air burst munitions as well as thermobaric warhead.
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oh no...
they are the most reliable sources in documenting equipment losses...

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 19 2023, 06:25 PM)
Oryx shutting down

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post Jun 19 2023, 08:13 PM

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its shooting air only. great actors are taking cue.

QUOTE(Raddus @ Jun 19 2023, 07:16 PM)
Its airsoft training
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i am like 50% yes 50% no, cause a lot of weapons doesn't exist in WW2.
especially FPV drones, soldiers in trench is like target 🎯 practice for these.

QUOTE(marfccy @ Jun 19 2023, 04:26 PM)
still extremely formidable, put yourself in the shoes of the soldiers who are tasked to assault these. there are so many levels of disadvantages via infantry that makes you question how to do it in first place

why else you see both UA/RU sides progress are always minute especially when going on offensives? cause both sides employ same tactic of deep defense
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post Jun 20 2023, 07:17 AM

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while i like Mi-24, this is one flying tank too.

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 20 2023, 06:14 AM)
Unlucky Ka-52 Alligator sustains damage to its tail during an attack and on its way home, thanks to its double rotor design.

Replies got pic of damage from the ground.
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