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News Ukraine army launches large assault on SE Ukraine, Probable probing attack on Russian lines

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chaosneo
post Jun 10 2023, 12:02 PM

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i almost saw a friendly fire there...
i am not sure about military tactics but crossing in front of a firing cannon unless in dire situation doesn't seem very logical.

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 10 2023, 10:14 AM)
A view from the other side. Ukrainian mechanized infantry units abandoning their Bradleys after getting caught in a Russian attack.

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post Jun 10 2023, 11:29 PM

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the bane without anti air cover...
but why the four vehicles just sitting there?


QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 10 2023, 10:13 PM)
The work of the KA-52 Alligators continue on

Seems like the vehicle on the left was targeted by another source
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post Jun 11 2023, 01:36 AM

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if we are referring to people, then yes, and not even 20%. russia has a large population that it can draft on but not sure what level where people will feel it violates the social contract between putin and the people.

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the one thing that made me curious is why they don't want to commit their air power in the first 12 months of the war, they number of bombers and planes could have overwhelm Ukraine air defense before it was buff up.

QUOTE(Azury36 @ Jun 11 2023, 01:20 AM)
I do feel Russia just use 20% of their military might
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post Jun 11 2023, 12:28 PM

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but it does matter....somewhat...
precision weapons, long range, disrupt logistics and command as well.

well, this war taught the world military a few things important in a peer to peer warfare.

from Ukrainian,
one should not move an column of tanks without some air cover for losses will be there aka Zaphor...
marking children on a building does not stop enemy from.bombing it.
drones are part of the future warfare.
some of them still made the mistake the russian army did.


from Russia,
one does not attack the same spot 4 times making the same mistakes that of the last attack aka Vulhedar.
one does not do river crossing three times at the same spot when first time already mark by enemy artillery aka somewhere in Kharkiv i think.
logistics is critical as hell especially when your enemy have precision weapons, it took so many explosions to only not bunch up munitions and depo.
army discipline is critical, Ukrainian has gotten so many info on targets behind the lines.and one wonders where all these info comes from.

i am sure there is more... you guys can keep adding to it.


QUOTE(reinloch @ Jun 11 2023, 10:12 AM)
Has this war opened up the eyes of armchair generals in this forum?

You know, those that like to compare X vs Y? About how Russian systems are obsolete and Western systems are godly?

These comparisons do not matter.

Ultimately, it is all about logistics.

Make all required items (men, equipment, ammo, spares, food, morale) in sufficient numbers and have the means to send them to the front.
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post Jun 12 2023, 08:23 AM

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in a way, if these are the only ones russia can show it is a good thing.
considering it is a three point offensive into heavy defensive lines, minefield, entrench troops, and wide area probing across all lines, one would have expect losses of dozens of vehicles and well as severe infantry casualties in the initial start.

for example, a medieval army trying to breach castle walls, no one would be surprised if one third of half or the first wave of infantry would have been wipe out.

but it is still too early to say as it is only started less than a week. the shaping operations have been quite efficient though.

reports of munitions depo, rail supply lines and last week, three command centers been hit.




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post Jun 13 2023, 09:00 AM

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if you notice most of TS posts, TS is not a non partisan but by now, mostly everyone would have taken a side by now on those who are closely following the war.

but then again, there are tons of media of russian losses.
here is the link which is update with any reports.
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5246148


QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Jun 13 2023, 08:50 AM)
Got a lot of Russian losses why no post that? smile.gif
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post Jun 13 2023, 09:23 AM

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you can post there too.
we have colimlim as well as etude last time with constant update from russian sides.

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 13 2023, 09:15 AM)
U sure about that buddy? laugh.gif
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post Jun 13 2023, 09:28 AM

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it is not much difference than in /K
at least in RWI , one requires to have a more civil tongue and posting nonsense can get sus.

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 13 2023, 09:26 AM)
Last time I see that thread become toxic, literally just pipul arguing
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post Jun 14 2023, 12:39 PM

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also in the same tweet:
so his military command and FSB information is not too reliable?
it is weird that he has to also want to listen to military bloggers.




QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 14 2023, 12:05 PM)
President Putin convenes a conference with influential Russian socmed Voenkors & military bloggers in the Kremlin to discuss current issues pertaining to the SMO.

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post Jun 14 2023, 01:03 PM

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new russian style suppression


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post Jun 14 2023, 01:06 PM

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i think one can safely assume that putin doesn't like what is happening on the battlefield right now or that things aren't going so well.


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post Jun 15 2023, 08:30 AM

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link to rueters article but it doesn't really say much.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia...age-2023-06-14/

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post Jun 15 2023, 03:31 PM

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it is PAYWALLED 😐
but luckily some kind comment decided to help the wide community...

full readable article
https://archive.ph/2023.06.14-102237/https:...-drone-3860ab6a

QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Jun 15 2023, 10:17 AM)
good coincidence, last post in RWI also about Russians surrendering
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post Jun 15 2023, 11:15 PM

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but these are probing attacks...
their priority is just to test defenses and response.

to be honest on all three major fronts they are actually making progress based on just probing, that actually saying a lot.
like...
1. losses may not be as bad as a lot has thought. if losses is bad, probing forward would have stop?
2. just probing and we have seen a lot of destruction on russian sides also.

i don't think the UA did not suffer casualties especially the first wave and loss of a dozen or more vehicles, but so far other than that incident, there doesn't seem to significant more losses as i am very sure russian media will be happily broadcast about it.

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 15 2023, 11:05 PM)
We comparing capturing a small tightly-packed urban city to capturing empty fields and a few villages are we now?
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these are mines field, trenches, defensive positions, lookout points, some small towns and its three square kilometers across a long frontline...

but maybe you are righr, russians just let them wander in slowly while giving small token of defensive forces to slow Ukrainians down as well, while the range of himars making its way touching Mariupol.


QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 15 2023, 11:18 PM)
Behold

Seeing that these areas are mostly no more than empty fields that's not very reassuring.
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post Jun 15 2023, 11:49 PM

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any offensive will surely take losses but when you put on a grand scale like few thousands of soldiers are operating on the frontlines daily in trying to move forward, i think anyone would think that any less than a hundred casualties would be consider acceptable.

QUOTE(countingcrows @ Jun 15 2023, 11:43 PM)
I have a video released today, taken by Russian soldiers of many dead Ukrainians after they shelled their position.
Not sure if these vids are allowed.
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post Jun 15 2023, 11:54 PM

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i am pretty damn sure russian military took it seriously. they had to move their command center and ammo hubs far away out of range. decentralized their logistics and even change how their artillery units array.

just by itself, it wouldn't have made much difference, but with good intel as show throughout the past year and with its precision, it definitely because a game changer that affected the russians badly.

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 15 2023, 11:33 PM)
I still don't understand why pipul put so much stock in small-scale destruction by HIMARS when Russian strategic and tactical air units are bombing Ukraine literally on a daily basis nowadays?

And pls don't tell me u believe in those 'Patriot shot down 99%' nonsense
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post Jun 16 2023, 12:27 PM

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just an example of why range precision strikes and good intel works side by side.
HIMARS at the moment is just 80km range.





QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 15 2023, 11:33 PM)
I still don't understand why pipul put so much stock in small-scale destruction by HIMARS when Russian strategic and tactical air units are bombing Ukraine literally on a daily basis nowadays?

And pls don't tell me u believe in those 'Patriot shot down 99%' nonsense
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post Jun 17 2023, 10:43 AM

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i give points for ingenuity.
similar to Ukraine AT buggies.

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 17 2023, 09:50 AM)
Screw your Toyota pickups, Soviet Lada is the superior tank-hunting platform

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post Jun 17 2023, 08:13 PM

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why are you still salty about that true fact as claim by russia MOD that a vehicle purportedly reported as a Leopard 2 destroy by a KA-52? 😂

that video did show... a farming vehicle...
its like you want to defend that pilot for lack of training.

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 17 2023, 07:38 PM)
Massacre of farming equipment by Ka-52 Alligators continues on the Zhaporizhia front

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