News Ukraine army launches large assault on SE Ukraine, Probable probing attack on Russian lines
News Ukraine army launches large assault on SE Ukraine, Probable probing attack on Russian lines
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Jun 11 2023, 12:24 AM
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Jun 11 2023, 01:20 AM
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Jun 11 2023, 01:23 AM
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Jun 11 2023, 01:35 AM
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It looks like in the modern battlefield, lots of ground based vehicles are obsolete. Not only ATGMs, but even drones can easily disable these ground vehicles. I'm not sure if there are ways to detect and disable these drones.
So what does the future hold? Just use troops and air power? |
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Jun 11 2023, 01:36 AM
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if we are referring to people, then yes, and not even 20%. russia has a large population that it can draft on but not sure what level where people will feel it violates the social contract between putin and the people.
edit the one thing that made me curious is why they don't want to commit their air power in the first 12 months of the war, they number of bombers and planes could have overwhelm Ukraine air defense before it was buff up. QUOTE(Azury36 @ Jun 11 2023, 01:20 AM) This post has been edited by chaosneo: Jun 11 2023, 01:40 AM |
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Jun 11 2023, 02:29 AM
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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jun 11 2023, 01:36 AM) if we are referring to people, then yes, and not even 20%. russia has a large population that it can draft on but not sure what level where people will feel it violates the social contract between putin and the people. because the Russians knew how potent is the S300 systems Ukraine had in the first place. its not that they dont want to, but cannot do it due to that threatedit the one thing that made me curious is why they don't want to commit their air power in the first 12 months of the war, they number of bombers and planes could have overwhelm Ukraine air defense before it was buff up. even for lets say US doctrine which operates mainly on air superiority, if someone introduced a known potent AD system even they will take caution in approaching. its just logical |
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Jun 11 2023, 06:30 AM
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QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ Jun 11 2023, 01:35 AM) It looks like in the modern battlefield, lots of ground based vehicles are obsolete. Not only ATGMs, but even drones can easily disable these ground vehicles. I'm not sure if there are ways to detect and disable these drones. Just Nuke themSo what does the future hold? Just use troops and air power? |
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Jun 11 2023, 07:23 AM
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Jun 11 2023, 08:09 AM
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Jun 11 2023, 08:15 AM
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Jun 11 2023, 08:20 AM
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QUOTE(Azury36 @ Jun 11 2023, 01:20 AM) Likely more. But less than 1/2...Russia has alot more weaspon in reserved. However, you need to consider that this a "special military operation". Russia cannot simply just destroy and flatten entire Ukraine or kill everyone... Need to balance between what is acceptable and what is not. USA and Europe have been sending mountains of weapons to Ukraine which is why they are still standing today. |
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Jun 11 2023, 08:22 AM
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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jun 11 2023, 01:36 AM) if we are referring to people, then yes, and not even 20%. russia has a large population that it can draft on but not sure what level where people will feel it violates the social contract between putin and the people. This is suppose dti be "special military operation". It's not operation flatten Ukraine... It's not like bombing and shelling the place till it's totally flatten thent ake over... Differentedit the one thing that made me curious is why they don't want to commit their air power in the first 12 months of the war, they number of bombers and planes could have overwhelm Ukraine air defense before it was buff up. |
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Jun 11 2023, 09:29 AM
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Jun 11 2023, 09:41 AM
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Jun 11 2023, 10:12 AM
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Has this war opened up the eyes of armchair generals in this forum?
You know, those that like to compare X vs Y? About how Russian systems are obsolete and Western systems are godly? These comparisons do not matter. Ultimately, it is all about logistics. Make all required items (men, equipment, ammo, spares, food, morale) in sufficient numbers and have the means to send them to the front. |
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Jun 11 2023, 12:28 PM
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but it does matter....somewhat...
precision weapons, long range, disrupt logistics and command as well. well, this war taught the world military a few things important in a peer to peer warfare. from Ukrainian, one should not move an column of tanks without some air cover for losses will be there aka Zaphor... marking children on a building does not stop enemy from.bombing it. drones are part of the future warfare. some of them still made the mistake the russian army did. from Russia, one does not attack the same spot 4 times making the same mistakes that of the last attack aka Vulhedar. one does not do river crossing three times at the same spot when first time already mark by enemy artillery aka somewhere in Kharkiv i think. logistics is critical as hell especially when your enemy have precision weapons, it took so many explosions to only not bunch up munitions and depo. army discipline is critical, Ukrainian has gotten so many info on targets behind the lines.and one wonders where all these info comes from. i am sure there is more... you guys can keep adding to it. QUOTE(reinloch @ Jun 11 2023, 10:12 AM) Has this war opened up the eyes of armchair generals in this forum? This post has been edited by chaosneo: Jun 11 2023, 12:50 PMYou know, those that like to compare X vs Y? About how Russian systems are obsolete and Western systems are godly? These comparisons do not matter. Ultimately, it is all about logistics. Make all required items (men, equipment, ammo, spares, food, morale) in sufficient numbers and have the means to send them to the front. |
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Jun 11 2023, 12:45 PM
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Jun 11 2023, 01:07 PM
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looking at the amount of copium from putingmaos here contributes greatly to my daily entertainment quota lolol
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Jun 11 2023, 02:33 PM
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Jun 11 2023, 03:42 PM
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