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News Ukraine army launches large assault on SE Ukraine, Probable probing attack on Russian lines

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post Jun 11 2023, 12:24 AM

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Ukrainian supply column found themselves swarmed by Russian FPV drones


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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 11 2023, 12:24 AM)
Ukrainian supply column found themselves swarmed by Russian FPV drones

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I do feel Russia just use 20% of their military might
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post Jun 11 2023, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(Azury36 @ Jun 11 2023, 01:20 AM)
I do feel Russia just use 20% of their military might
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only in manpower, not in the weapons systems used

theyre using quite a significant amount of armored vehicles, planes and missiles at disposal
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post Jun 11 2023, 01:35 AM

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It looks like in the modern battlefield, lots of ground based vehicles are obsolete. Not only ATGMs, but even drones can easily disable these ground vehicles. I'm not sure if there are ways to detect and disable these drones.

So what does the future hold? Just use troops and air power?
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post Jun 11 2023, 01:36 AM

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if we are referring to people, then yes, and not even 20%. russia has a large population that it can draft on but not sure what level where people will feel it violates the social contract between putin and the people.

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the one thing that made me curious is why they don't want to commit their air power in the first 12 months of the war, they number of bombers and planes could have overwhelm Ukraine air defense before it was buff up.

QUOTE(Azury36 @ Jun 11 2023, 01:20 AM)
I do feel Russia just use 20% of their military might
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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jun 11 2023, 01:36 AM)
if we are referring to people, then yes, and not even 20%. russia has a large population that it can draft on but not sure what level where people will feel it violates the social contract between putin and the people.

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the one thing that made me curious is why they don't want to commit their air power in the first 12 months of the war, they number of bombers and planes could have overwhelm Ukraine air defense before it was buff up.
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because the Russians knew how potent is the S300 systems Ukraine had in the first place. its not that they dont want to, but cannot do it due to that threat

even for lets say US doctrine which operates mainly on air superiority, if someone introduced a known potent AD system even they will take caution in approaching. its just logical
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QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ Jun 11 2023, 01:35 AM)
It looks like in the modern battlefield, lots of ground based vehicles are obsolete. Not only ATGMs, but even drones can easily disable these ground vehicles. I'm not sure if there are ways to detect and disable these drones.

So what does the future hold? Just use troops and air power?
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Just Nuke them
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post Jun 11 2023, 07:23 AM

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Ukraine offensive in Bakhmut area also not going so well


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post Jun 11 2023, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(Avex @ Jun 9 2023, 09:14 PM)
China joining the war effort soon against Ukraine, more tiger APC sold to Russia. The world needs ww3
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Where is Asean country need to stand? smile.gif
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 11 2023, 07:23 AM)
Ukraine offensive in Bakhmut area also not going so well

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Looks good.....
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QUOTE(Azury36 @ Jun 11 2023, 01:20 AM)
I do feel Russia just use 20% of their military might
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Likely more. But less than 1/2...Russia has alot more weaspon in reserved. However, you need to consider that this a "special military operation".

Russia cannot simply just destroy and flatten entire Ukraine or kill everyone... Need to balance between what is acceptable and what is not.

USA and Europe have been sending mountains of weapons to Ukraine which is why they are still standing today.


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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jun 11 2023, 01:36 AM)
if we are referring to people, then yes, and not even 20%. russia has a large population that it can draft on but not sure what level where people will feel it violates the social contract between putin and the people.

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the one thing that made me curious is why they don't want to commit their air power in the first 12 months of the war, they number of bombers and planes could have overwhelm Ukraine air defense before it was buff up.
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This is suppose dti be "special military operation". It's not operation flatten Ukraine... It's not like bombing and shelling the place till it's totally flatten thent ake over... Different
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post Jun 11 2023, 09:29 AM

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Russian Counter-sniper operation

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post Jun 11 2023, 09:41 AM

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Weather information services predict offensive operation area will see rainfall on weekend and for most of next week

As if the Ukrainians don't have enough problems already

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Has this war opened up the eyes of armchair generals in this forum?

You know, those that like to compare X vs Y? About how Russian systems are obsolete and Western systems are godly?

These comparisons do not matter.

Ultimately, it is all about logistics.

Make all required items (men, equipment, ammo, spares, food, morale) in sufficient numbers and have the means to send them to the front.

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post Jun 11 2023, 12:28 PM

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but it does matter....somewhat...
precision weapons, long range, disrupt logistics and command as well.

well, this war taught the world military a few things important in a peer to peer warfare.

from Ukrainian,
one should not move an column of tanks without some air cover for losses will be there aka Zaphor...
marking children on a building does not stop enemy from.bombing it.
drones are part of the future warfare.
some of them still made the mistake the russian army did.


from Russia,
one does not attack the same spot 4 times making the same mistakes that of the last attack aka Vulhedar.
one does not do river crossing three times at the same spot when first time already mark by enemy artillery aka somewhere in Kharkiv i think.
logistics is critical as hell especially when your enemy have precision weapons, it took so many explosions to only not bunch up munitions and depo.
army discipline is critical, Ukrainian has gotten so many info on targets behind the lines.and one wonders where all these info comes from.

i am sure there is more... you guys can keep adding to it.


QUOTE(reinloch @ Jun 11 2023, 10:12 AM)
Has this war opened up the eyes of armchair generals in this forum?

You know, those that like to compare X vs Y? About how Russian systems are obsolete and Western systems are godly?

These comparisons do not matter.

Ultimately, it is all about logistics.

Make all required items (men, equipment, ammo, spares, food, morale) in sufficient numbers and have the means to send them to the front.
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This post has been edited by chaosneo: Jun 11 2023, 12:50 PM
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post Jun 11 2023, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 11 2023, 09:29 AM)
Russian Counter-sniper operation

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What kind of sniper/weapon that shoots like that?
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post Jun 11 2023, 02:33 PM

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I think I've seen more than 20 of these destroyed


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