UPDATE 10/6/2023

I have received the offer from the company. After discussions with them prior to the offer, they have pushed it from 55k to 58k per annum, they said I can ask the HR for further increment but they doubt can go any higher
They offering 3k for relocation (reimbursement) which I don't think is enough as a startup cost. visa and flight cost alone for me and my family is more than 3k.
Not considering things I need to terminate in MY, deposits for new home/car/furniture.

But it is what it is. Dilemma.



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Recall from previous post
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5377658



I had 2nd stage interview and later was told Im the 1st choice for the job. I was given an unofficial offer (later HR will call and provide the official offer) by the hiring manager, the offer was quite disappointing, to say the least.
If this was 10 years ago, I would have accepted it in a heartbeat. A dream company to work for, but now I'm not so sure anymore.
Glassdoor stated 5200pcm, but they offered only 4500pcm. Below I attached a calculation I did to compare if it even makes sense to take the offer, and what would be the ideal salary to go for (20-30% increase in purchasing power)



Thanks to those who have given feedback and advice, especially the ones living in the UK.



This post has been edited by Kakistok: Jun 10 2023, 11:39 AM

That’s horribly low tbh

This is definitely not worth the sacrifice and hardship of uprooting from Msia to England.
A rather poor deal.

Now that you have all the cards, do you want opinions on how to proceed?

The offer is low by any standards....do you have room to negotiate? You know your industry well enough and you also know how expensive living in the UK is. You're not single with commitments, so it's probably wise to default to what's comfortable and certain

Didn’t follow through your old thread.

I have been in London for a while on business. It is crazily expensive, despite my employer covering lodging. Average restaurant meal costing 20+ quids - and is bland, your palate isn’t even tested. Coffee is fantastic but 3.5 quid. Thursday a pub day - going at 7 - 8 quid for a pint of neck oil. Tourist tax refund taken away. Strikes on a weekly basis. Deep rooted systemic failure with the country.

Only make sense for a fresh grad to gain experience here and make a bonus leap to Asia.

Just stay in malaysia. My friend who is working remotely earns more than this.

What to do? Nowadays its the happier you wanna live, the more debt you gotta get.

The more hutang you got, the happier you are. Don't bother bout houses, don't bother cooking, don't even bother working. Just leech everything.

In reply to your comment, yes crazily expensive, because accomodation, even covered, you're literally living on land where every inches is gold. A shit hotel room that's about a Malaysia Toilet would cost you around 50-80 normally, and now spring summer, the cost marked up to 100 to 180 average. So that's around 500 to 900 ringgit for a shit room.

Honestly, you won't be able to guess what kind of shit they got in their head. Let's simply assume that to them, freedom matters, hence they can work half year here in south, half year wales, half year in hertz, half year back south, continuously like it doesnt matter freedom first. But for each moving they did, new furnitures, new life, new expenses, new trips, new shits, but no new salary. Sometimes even got shittier.

Or, they'll be like the kind I love my fukken house so much that I'll get a monthly ticket from Outer London to Central London for 300-500 quid a month, yeeha! Im a fool, my salary is 3000 after tax, and I paid 1/6 just for travel tickets, and I not even count my expenses, drinks, foods, etc!

Anyway, food wise, the brits had shit taste. I can claim 100% that their bland food is to make way to their table salt and shit ground white n black pepper to be used. That's the sole reason they dun put the darn salt and pepper into your food, because you know, everyone's taste and palette is different. But slap them with a fukken Chinese food with MSG, they dun even know what that taste like. They say I allergy to MSG, but dunno hantam how many pack of crisp, salt and pepper shrimps and ribs, etc, and no allergy happen. But when eat cheap food for takeaway, "Argh my allergy! You put MSG in your damn food. How dare you!"

Still...

Shit failure country, but still 1 pound = lima ringgit lebih or lapan renminbi lebih. I would rather earn and save and convert them to other currency and become hundred million-aire at elsewhere. Dont forget that the more fools are there in a certain country, the easier to cari makan without repercussion.

Ugh... Based on my experience lah bro, your utilities is on the lower side liao. I think you're coming over with wife and kids right? (Correct me if im wrong) the utilities and council might not be as light as 200 quid.

Unless you got that 70k annual offer, I think stay Malaysia better (IMHO. If you come alone, even the middle one is good but the offer really jialat)

But I feel weird weird... Why you accounted 400 malaysia travel as monthly expenses? (From my early assumption, its like you're planning to save 400x12= 4800quid for while family ticket back Malaysia yearly)

PS: If you really did, then that's really stressing yourself liao. I advise you to reconsider. Although Balik is important, opportunity is equally important too. Unless the balik is more essential than staying or alternating it to two year balik one time, then its really a stress.

since its unofficial then u should be able to request them to get the amount that u asked before

inner or outer london? the grocer prices and foods are significantly lower (not sure how now, stayed only a year circa 2011 for degree) and if u rajin can always go hunt at expiring perishables section, where stuff still looks as good

am curious though hows the situation after brexit

Iinm you also had another offer otw right?


Man I wish to receive an offer like that though

And what makes you think the offer was not deliberate just because he is a Malaysian?

Like I said why not just go Singapore.
You can always go to jb during the weekends. Because you sure can earn and save if you are working in Singapore.
And if things dun go well you can always come back. From UK, it's a different story.

From what I read, you are based near jb anyway. Most ppl dun like their job or even the environment, but then I see very little difference since you are probably based on work most of the time.

This post has been edited by BrookLes: May 27 2023, 08:14 AM

I agreed, Singapore would be most viable option for TS.

Congratulations

Since one of the managers is my friend, I'm just going to send him a WhatsApp first to express my thoughts on the possible offer. I didn't really express it during the interview because I was sinking all in.
Went through the technical session (2nd IV), and then the excitement of knowing I'm in the pole position to join an elite company in an industry I'm passionate about, followed by the disappointing salary news. LOL

I'm just going to tell him I'm a little uneasy about the package and would like to see if there is any opportunity for renegotiation. At least he knows from me directly and not from HR.
Just going to share with him the spreadsheet I made (attached) so that he understands why Im being hesitant. Will he make the move if he was in my shoes?
Since they are Europeans, they may not be familiar with the living cost here in Malaysia, compared to the UK
I was holding my smirk when the other manager went on saying they get a 4% increment + bonus every year as if that is something unusual. 4% bonus not even half month.
He mentioned the only thing that is expensive is the house and tax, but the rest are cheap. But anyway ...

The only way to make this feasible is to cover that accommodation cost, either they
1) add that to the nett pay (means more loss to taxes)
or
2) accommodation directly paid for by the company
or
3) since it's a hybrid role, can I just work from Malaysia, once a month trip to the UK (if needed). They can pay me even less than they offered. Not sure if there would be a problem with corporate taxes.

I don't know if ex-pat packages with accommodation exist these days. I've gone through some ex-pat forums, and it seems quite rare, only available for those C or D-suite execs.

This post has been edited by Kakistok: May 27 2023, 12:15 PM

I know the pay is great in SG but they don't have the industry I'm from. And the accommodation in SG is just as expensive. Public transport is great but dealing with the early morning crowd?
As I mentioned in previous thread before to @BrookLes, I have no interest or intentions to work in SG, unless if Im head hunted I'll give it a shot but in the meantime, I'm happy in JB.

Not sure if I would get it, lets's see if they would come back with an offer.

Best option IMO if they keep the amount. Enjoy low living cost in Msia + earning in GBP.

BUT u might need to follow their working hours which equates to 4pm - 1am or 5pm - 2am locally here depending on the day light saving. It's what I'm doing now

I'm okay with the timing, it isn't so bad.
This is an RnD role, and though I work more on the software/numerical side, I still need to be there for prototype testing which is in-house (for component level) or in Germany/Portugal for full-product testing. Again if it's needed.

Good for you man.

Offshore / remote working while earning a foreign income is always the better option for me unless you really want to migrate and settle down in a different country

The cherry on top is the opportunity to travel few times a year for those important meetings. Long haul travel with flight and accommodation sorted, what's not to like? Though this perk is getting rarer now in the post-covid era. Companies rather do virtual meetings for cost efficiency

so u are in IT or software role? wow not bad almost myr 12k salary in malaysia , but the UK offer is abit low la tbh

I have parents at home, and I want them to see their grandkid. My mom retired just so she can take care of my kid but my new job brought me to JB (KL Hometown), and now she is taking care of her bedridden mother-in-law.
Coming back only once a year not an option. Yes, the opportunity is great but I also have to skills and experience to demand. They cant find talent in the UK hence why they are open for candidates outside of the UK. I'm even more surprised that they can't find anyone from Europe. Either they pay lower than what the local wants or UK/EU really don't have enough talents for that role, which would be bizarre, when they have some of the best Uni's and Companies there. And some of the smartest people I've met in my 11-12 years are British guys.

Not sure if it's a low offer just because Im currently based in Malaysia. I need to push them to see how high can they go.

To sum up from your pics, You want to quit your T20 job in malaysia to become B40 in UK. Very very strange decision IMHO

No not IT. Mechanical engineering. but I use software to carry out my engineering work, that is what I meant.

Anyway, rm12k I still feel underpaid la for my role , but I understand this is the best I can get in Malaysia used to earn $USD11k for this same role in the US

Below is kind of what I do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEFVnmFqyJs...=BETACAESystems

Interesting, they vote to halau immigrants from country but now can’t pay what local want for salary. You sure working for such kedekut company is good idea?

Mid - 20s, is a go. Mid to late 30s, too much baggage. From the sound of it, the household need a son to shoulder and perform filial piety.

55k is still T20 I think



it doesn't matter how much you make, is how much you can keep (or spend)

my mum raised me well

So in the team currently consist of 7 guys, they have only 1 UK guy. Others are immigrants; Spanish, Italian, Indian, Korean, Brazillian

Every company is kedekut la, which is just how much % they spend on employees versus how much they make.

i can assure you that your life in UK will be miserable with that kind of salary

Hi,
perhaps you can really "test out" your friendship with your angmo boss and sincerely see how it pans out.
it's kind weird though as how you put it.. an elite/rolex class company, but somewhere lacking in compensation. This may reflect in 2 possibilities:

1. your prospective boss is just trying to milk you as much as possible.
2. industry is not doing well moving forward and thus hiring budget reflect this brutal honesty.

for #1, you can leverage your relationship and really see if these so called "pole position", your skillsets, how well you're needed, etc are true.. else, it's just a facade to rope you in.. if you're really what they claimed you are... stand your ground(this is not re-negotation.. but negotiation.. you don't have to give those pathetic although justifiable reasons about living expenses.. just justify based on merits alone would suffice)

for #2.. pandai pandai la.. if things are going south, everything is off the table, so to speak and nothing will be certain, regardless rolex or otherwise.

Simple answer:

If you want to live and migrate in another country, then go
If you want to earn more, just stay in Malaysia

The offer you get is low because experience working in other country doesn't count as much
A lot of people who migrate get low salary at the start, but once they get ILR + UK working experience can easily get significantly better packages

But maybe 5 years is too long to invest overseas. So you need to decide on your priorities

It's a small but highly competitive industry. As a company, they are definitely up there as one of the best. They invest a lot in RnD, pioneers of new technology in the industry.
They have new investments hence they are restructuring and expanding, project-wise set for 7 years. Their words, which currently taken with a grain of salt.
As for salary offered, looking at the UK salary distribution and even some /k commented on the original thread that it's definitely in the higher income bracket. The blocker now is the living cost relative to my current situation.

I'm in no desperate position to leave my current work. The living cost justification is to show I have a better life in Malaysia (maybe even better than theirs) than what UK company can offer, so guys better step up your game if you want me in the team.

Oh, no wonder that part there is preplanned. And I thought are you salah kira.

Still, as you said, if your talent is one that is hardly found, I believe it's good to keep hold on that and ask for your desired pay. Although I would say... A whole family coming here is still gonna be hard. 1.6k for a 2 bed is considered nice, but if you stretch it, try getting a better quote/places to stay after settling here. (my building im renting out is 4 x 3bed ensuite maisonnete building. Rental is 4400pcm, and after this year I'll pull it to 5200pcm for new tenants. And my target is also families)

And like mystalyzer said, the low offer is likely because they need your skills, but not your experience. They could be assuming you're freshie for now until it was proven otherwise. (I think I rmb you mentioned you worked in US or somewhere else before too but just guesses, not really sure) Again like he said, 5 year is a really long nowadays, plus you're not single. Back then, ten years wont be long as talents are much needed, but nowadays, the trend just falling down.

Even I hiring for kitchen sifu, I would give good price to them for starter, without telling that I'll cover their stay, their meal, transport, this and that. I will keep that as a bullet to take out and use later. Perhaps you can use this for your advantage, such as asking them if they can compromise you by adding in something else here n there?

Also like what Koja said. Your like will be miserable here with the highest pay bracket. There's so much to think and take care. Coming with family make it much harder. Perhaps, after a year or two of testing, your wife need to work as well to get additional income.

Hi,
The other thing that was left out in the factoring equation is the retirement fund(EPF).. being a 5-figure pay, just the employer's contribution alone gives you a 5-figure annual EPF input with an additional healthy +5% returns per annum..

kedekut is 1 thing, but worked before always better than not.

Life is full of give and take.

Like my case, I would rather hire a chef that worked in several establishments also won't hire a chef with good record on one cuisine, if the work position is common. Because experience matters. He katak or not not my biggest worry. He can work or not is.

call me crazy or anything, but I would like to live like this one fine day. away from civilization





This post has been edited by JimbeamofNRT: May 27 2023, 04:11 PM

Yea, totally forgot about this one, will add this to the discussion too. thanks for bringing this up

Dude this kind of simulation ANSYS/SOLIDWORKS/CAD type work just try to come back to US to work if youre looking for money.
These days the $130K you quoted previously is like entry level pay in the tech industry.

Why limit yr self to UK only leh ?

depending on the location really. 130k in CA and 130k in MI is huge difference. I was working in a small town sub urb Detroit Michigan for 140k annual. You need to earn >200k to have the same lifestyle in silicon valley.

haha, and I don't deal with the tools you mentioned, those are for kids.

Half goes to taxes, a quarter goes to living (rent/food/etc etc) esp the Bay Area

not limiting myself to anything. I wasn't even looking to be honest. just an opportunity came my way.

it's like you play love playing football and Manchester United/Liverpool or other big EPL club offered you to join them.

Got it, automotive sector.
Well its all about perspective and timing, if you got in at the right time, you would have made money. I had a lot of co-workers that went over to Rivian when the opened up in town, post IPO they left before the current crash.
Now that said, comparing 70K GBP vs 200K USD after taxes, it would still be the US job.

yeap, I was once offered to work in San Jose,CA for a startup company, I was doing consulting work for them. I said no. High Pay but high living expenses, tax tax tax, no work life balance (12 hours work culture)

I was enjoying my lake life in Michigan.
10 mins walk from my US home


This post has been edited by Kakistok: May 27 2023, 04:40 PM

US has always paid more than UK/EU. My connections in Europe always ask if there is any opportunity to work in the US.

I've done some consulting work for Rivian too, even some of my colleagues moved to Rivian. Startup EVs are like scams man, Founders get together find investors, they get their paycheck. If things didn't work out, leave the company and open another startup, cycle repeats again

More like a third to taxes and 50% to living expenses
i think San Jose now is like $4k a month for a 2 bedroom condo.

Nikola Motors KEK
Test drive on downhill slope

close enough, kek

UK tax rates are worse than US, it's average pay is much lower too.

In general, most of Europe pay sucks anyway (with handful of exception like Switzerland)
even Germany and France low af

Bruh, go China Mt Emei and give it a week there. Climb the mountain daily at specific hour and hope that you'll see the Buddha's light.

Trust me, even you're not a buddhist or whatever, when you see that light, you'll instantly enlighted and understand what means by you mati, just go mati, I am eternal, I am lasting, I am alive.

Human is just small, miniscule creature in this universe. Money fame or piap, got is good, more is better, but dying for that is wrong totally.

Wow. This is humgarchan shocking. No wonder all my friends say dun go America if you will end up sick and die. You won't have medical stuff to fuck with.

US get higher pay than Europe but less social security and benefits. So need to budget for good medical insurance. No NHS in US.

Also in US can get retrenched without any mandatory compensation at any time. So got pros and cons

sometimes I feel I just need to find some peace within myself.

need to stay away from civilization for a while

Are you sure your salary is not GBP 4,500 per week?

Hey TS I don't have the answer to your question, but just wanted to add - consider the potential benefit (non-tangible) of:

1.Additional international working experience
2.Potential to come back to Malaysia after about 5 years under the returning expert program (no income tax for 5 years etc.)

All the best and do share your final decision !

How to apply no. 2?

Ask them to double the offer…doesn’t make sense to get almost the same amount as an offer that you could get in KL.

This post has been edited by mataharih: May 27 2023, 09:21 PM

Yeah. Only pros for someone like me is over there is about the same as UK here, food stuff, if you do well, the money come in like gold flowing into your pocket by hundred grams. But if you got hated, get ready to lose everything. Luckily, UK here is not as crazy over there.

I was told by several friends that went there (boston) to do business, you can literally open a business, chop those mofo idiots like they're fish on chopping board until you business game over. But don't worry, that's not end of world. Just rent another shop beside, replace all the deco to the new one, change some spelling, and voila, the same people will come to let you chop them like fish steaks on chopping block again. Milk these stupid's money.

They got no brain. You tell them you might look,speak, behave, called the same as the previous scammer, but you're not, and they'll trust you and give you all their money. If I no scam them, I scam who?

Do it.

Zhangjiajie's cable car , Jiuzhaigou's forget what liao, left office no stuff check. Emei Mountain's Buddha Light, Xi'an's food haven. Hantam Chongqing not for their malahotpot but to watch how you're at open square, but walk to the side, cilaka babi its 20+ floors above ground, sked the balls of you. If sukak ulat biawak cicak etc, hantam yunnan for their demonic cuisine, sure Qi Deviation kasi lu. Else, hantam Sanya become degenerate, ogle amoi there. YOLO smart, not YOLO like a sohai, that's what matters.

Edit: Sorry TS, to enjoice replying forget its Serious K

This post has been edited by AfraidIGotBan: May 27 2023, 09:34 PM

Don't show any figure or spreadsheet, you open up yourself to be challenged and risk anchoring on a figure. This can go real bad.

I agree with the fellow below here. What do you think is fair value for your services? Don't talk about living cost, it's immaterial to the company, also approach this from a value perspective. Companies/HR always say that they compensate based on the COST OF LABOUR, not cost of living.....since you know that you have rare skills, what truly is the cost of your labour and specialty?

Friend or no friend, all companies will try to pay you the least to get you to say less, if you show a breakdown of your living cost and expenses, they can simply tell you that you should spend less or some BS like, oh....you actually have a a surplus, so the offer stands. Never do anything stupid like this.

I don't want to speculate why they offered that figure......if friendship or having that relationship really did mattered, I would expect to have a but of premium above the average, just to sweeten the deal, to go with someone who knows the job and have a pre-existing relationship. So if the offer is disappointing then it's really either one of the 2 points below. Many times. HR will lowball because they have a notion that immigrants and foreigners will almost always accept any offer because moving to the UK is an upgrade, especially when you are not a WASP....that's just how they play the game.


Precisely, friendship, buddy buddy all goes out the window when it comes to money or when it comes to finding someone to sack or to blame............The best "friend" is still money when it comes to a business relationship. Everything else is just cosmetic....

This post has been edited by feynman: May 28 2023, 02:53 AM

Need to include medical insurance cost.
Medical is expensive in many western countries. Medical insurance is almost a must if living there and insurance is not cheap also.

Generally those expenses related to services are expensive in developed countries, be it dentist, plumber, electrician.

Don't convert GBP to MYR to justify in the calculation.
Whatever income after conversion to MYR is irrelevant.
You earn there and spent there.
Can't justify earn GBP 4K equal to RM20k due to cost of living is not the same.
The real upgrade is when you earn RM 10K here, and move there also earn GBP 10K.

US and UK different. UK salary auto deduct for NI contribution, so NHS is literally free. I never paid anything else when going to NHS clinics.

Also if your job is RM 10k in Malaysia, it's unlikely to be £ 10k in UK. Realistically it will be somewhere around £5k instead

agree with @mystalyzer, £5k is already in T20 bracket.
My thoughts are they probably can go higher but not more than £5.5k. The managers in the company (probably including my friend) , the role just above my position, based on the salary report are estimated to earn about £6k

This post has been edited by Kakistok: May 28 2023, 04:21 PM

Most full time jobs will offer medical insurance, just like in Msia. Actually now is the season for the annual medical plan selection. For eg for this coming plan year i choose the following plan and also a HSA account (tax free savings plan for healthcare only):
Cost per pay period (every 2 weeks): $33.60
Company puts in $800 into the HSA, IRS limit for 2023 is $3850, so I will stuff more money into my HSA to avoid getting the money taxed.
Deductible: $2000
Max out of pocket: $4000
Preventive is free (ie, annual exam, bloodwork, etc)

Also for retrenchment, most companies do pay something, with this current layoff season, most tech companies are doing 3-4 months base + 2 weeks per year of service. Now that said, if the economy tanks further and the company really lingkup, yeah, at most u get is 2 weeks pay and bye bye.

This post has been edited by miuk: May 28 2023, 04:29 PM

Thanks for the feedback. I understand your point about salary should be about merit and not living cost, its a valid point.. I've mentioned that to my friend too, off record.

Im putting professional ethics aside for now so I don't care if he sees this from either a friend's or a manager's perspective.
Plus, this isn't just switching companies but countries too, with a family. I want to show them, that coming to the UK isn't in fact an upgrade....to me at least.

What I've stated is the cost of necessities, not lifestyle. So where do I spend less? Downgrade and live in a studio? Even that doesn't help.
From that spreadsheet I learn that there is little to no chance I can get a salary that can provide me with a better standard of living than what I currently have in MY.
They have to pay at least £6k per month to make this work, and from what I gathered, that is the manager-level salary (just a level above me) in that company.
So what are the options then, either the company absorbs some cost or they let me work from Malaysia.

It's a long shot but if none of it works, so be it. They can continue their search and I can go around walking and rocking like a peacock, bragging that this big-name company wanted me, but I said "Thanks but No Thanks"

This post has been edited by Kakistok: May 28 2023, 06:19 PM

I did the same negotiation with a big european company. I'm not sure if they're trying to low-ball me in salary, or, it is actually their best salary structure for now.

Is it common for employers to offer 13th mth salary or AWS in Britain ?

My current company (UK based) offers it here in Malaysia and in UK too.

13th month is a scam though, being paid weekly is best choice

since some countries pay by week. Even on rentals
~52 weeks per year which is divided by 4 will get 13

That's a ridiculous amount offered and sorry to say you will be a fool to take it given your circumstances.

UPDATE 10/6/2023

I have received the offer from the company. After discussions with them prior to the offer, they have pushed it from 55k to 58k per annum, they said I can ask the HR for further increment but they doubt can go any higher
They offering 3k for relocation (reimbursement) which I don't think is enough as a startup cost. visa and flight cost alone for me and my family is more than 3k.
Not considering things I need to terminate in MY, deposits for new home/car/furniture.

But it is what it is. Dilemma.

UK? Lets invite our long term UK resident to give comment.

AfraidIGotBan

u lambat abit liao bruh. im here for a while already, even on ts prev topic.

When do you need to reply them? In times like these, you should not let the short term inconvenience weigh you down and should instead prioritise the long term. Would you look back at this time and regret your inaction at the later stages of life?

After tax deduction how much is take home pay?

Income aside I suggest take the offer if you foresee there’s opportunity to grow in the company

Why must whole fam follow leh? You go alone and “cheong” as hard as you can first la, once your salary there reach a lvl that can comfortably move them over then decide again. In fact, your wife can now afford to goyang kaki already and your kids still young, it’s not like they can appreciate the move anyways, more likely kana bully when there

Relationship is not something that can be nurtured or maintained over long distance. It's hard for couples, even harder when one is a parent with kids to look after. Its not something everyone could do, and nor can it be "bought" with money

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Jun 10 2023, 10:58 PM

Boomer generations had done it, even migrant workers from 3rd world countries are doing it as we speak. Technology has already progress to a point video call costs nearly nothing.

And I’m not saying TS should spend his entire career there alone, why cannot he go first, after a year or two, with better salary or maybe change of employer then he move entire fam over?

Never seen a man as indecisive as you.

You are old enough to make decisions, but that, you can't even. and you expect people to pay you much more for your lifestyle when you can't make a simple decision on your life and your family?

You are not happy salary is low, you are not happy relocation compensation is low.

Dilemma this dilemma that. Then don't go, stay in your current company.

Asking 100s of opinion here won't work. You won't get everything you want, and best of both worlds.

U did an in depth analysis into what is the Ideal package u need, and it is far away from ur ideal. Now they just offer u another 3K more and already enough to cause u a dilemma?

as someone pointed out above, u really got to mature in ur decisions.

58k is actually a very good level of salary as long as you're not based in London.

Jaguar Land Rover pays £44 - £52k for a CAE engineer
JLR CAE job

I'm guessing thats a Tier 1 supplier?

Remember that in the UK, your NI contributions go into state pension (£203.85 per week when you retire), and your employer is also giving contributions to private pension.

The upside is if you actually know what you're doing in your job, you can climb the corporate ladder very fast thanks to the employment of thousands of "engineers" from India and Romania that dont actually know how to do their job.

I've been working in the automotive industry in UK for >10 years, I love it and I hate it

I can assure you that in sg the pay package is going to be much better and his family probably do not need to relocate since they are based on JB anyway

But according to him sg sux. I mean why would you relocate to UK at that kind of pay when you can go to Sg with a higher pay but with lower tax, and the family does not need to relocate.

That kind of salary minus the tax is pretty much the same salary in sg to be honest. In fact sg probably can pay higher.

Low, good if you already there and jobless.

Else stay far cheaper Malaysia.

RM1k in Malaysia is alot more than RM1k in UK

Own self do calculation, own self panic when they still lowball you.

TS, you are obviously worried you might be missing on some grand scale shit by not moving to the UK, but UK is also a shithole if you are poor there.

Given they couldn't even up your ask, that means your ceiling is going to be around £5-6k max.

If your position is as niche as you mentioned, it shouldn't be hard to push a salary of 20k in Malaysia or at least 12-13k SGD.

A 20k salary is easily better than a 5k salary in London.

People want the angmo lifestyle. Tell people he works in the UK is better than he working in Singapore. Currency also bang bang.

This thread will go to page 12 and ts will still have dilemma.

This post has been edited by gashout: Jun 14 2023, 03:56 AM

Hahaha, I thought my "Dilemma" was only bugging me, sorry guys! XD

Anyway, I have declined the offer. So the case is now closed.

To give a little context into why the Dilemma when it's a straightforward decision. I'm an automotive guy by career and passion. I grew up around cars, my grandpa had a workshop, I did part-time mechanic
Graduated in Automotive Engineering, worked as an Automotive Engineer in Vehicle Structural and Passive Safety for 10 years. In the US, most of my work has been consulting and doing research work for US Gov Department of Transport on Crash Regulations, Safety Standards etc. Most of my work is published on their website, something I'm really proud of, a handy show-off material
And if you or your loved ones were involved in a major car accident and came out unscratched (or at least not dead), you can thank me (and many others from this field). Don't have to be a Doc to save lives.

Returning to Malaysia, I knew the choices in the auto industry are super limited and the pay in the industry (even globally) is generally low. I did manage to land an interview in Bufori Motors in Kepong,KL, I thought I nailed the interview - got them excited - but they only came back to me 4 months later asking if I have accepted another job (which I have and already settled down in JB from KL).
My current job has nothing to do with automotive but it pays well, great benefit package, and life in Jb is less busy than KL.
But I have to say, I miss my time being around or working on cars.

Out of the blue, Mclaren UK came calling. It's not UK, or 5.6x MYR, or angmoh lifestyle that has intrigued me. It's just a chance to return to the Auto Industry, that too for a high-end brand.
The offer isn't low by UK or auto industry standards, just the cost of living is relatively high. I was trying to find any justification for me to make the move.
If I was single, I would have packed my bags. But I do not want to reduce the financial freedom that my family are having now.
I took a risk before when I had nothing, it turned out well. Now, too much at stake, can't afford to do it the 2nd time.
Will I ever regret this decision...I don't know.

Couple of guys here have been really helpful, so thanks to you all.

and by the way Brookles - I didn't say Sg sux la, I said no interest to work there only

that's me, doing autopsy on a damned truck!


This post has been edited by Kakistok: Jun 14 2023, 09:55 PM

What happened to the other local offer, that seems like a better choice isn't it?

haven't heard from them. I know there is currently one German expat who is holding that position temporarily till September. so there is still time.
my career field is small - pusing2 we see the same faces.