get the war over and return the world peace!
we dun want the high food price to feed the stomach

ya fast2 escalate and flatten ukraine and end it.

yes thats currently the kinzhal's weakness, intercept it during early-mid launch but the issue is a patriot isnt a long range interceptor

thats why the math doesnt compute. kinzhal boosts "up to" mach 10 only when close to the target. at its top speed of 205km/s (assuming it went into the hypersonic mode) a patriot battery with pac2 missile (160km range) has only seconds to live adjust its trajectory to intercept the kinzhal. also kinzhal is an endo atmospheric type missile which are more unpredictable compared to usual ballistic missile paths

not saying impossible but assuming average 30% interception chance, and UA firing at least 4-6 missiles per kinzhal to increase chances and it can hit. but the main issue is can UA with their limited equip detect kinzhal fast enough for patriot to react? US has multiple early warning systems that does that, UA dont

thats why claims of "up to" but the thing is its still a darn beech to intercept given what UA has even if it goes beyond mach4. US has high success with patriot as they have a multitude of other systems to boost to patriot's accuracy in tracking

not atomise, but be in so many pieces its literally unidentifiable

the kinzhal from 2022 is reported to crash with the MIG-31K, so i dont think its launched even nor is it in hypersonic speeds

Notice me senpai!

just read my damn posts up there

Kinzhal is CLAIMED by Putin to reach Mach 10, but other sources dismiss this claim on the basis that Iskander on which Kinzhal is based doesn't go that fast; the US rates Kinzhal at around Mach 6

the Kinzhal was probably shot down by a Patriot PAC-3, not PAC-2. PAC-3 has enhanced anti-ballistic missile capabilities and was tested extensively against US ballistic missile targets. the range of the missile itself is not the same as radar tracking time, for the obvious reason that radar has much greater range than a missile, and can be placed in different areas and networked together

the Kinzhal's pathing wouldn't be hard to predict at all because the faster it flies, the longer it takes to change course significantly. anyone who drives should know that. Patriot is designed to intercept a wide range of targets including manoeuvreing fighters

You're theorising so many possibilities yet can't see the damn thing is inside the missile.

Still useless if against top down trajectory anti tank missile like the javelin

yes these are claims, but US CSIS also knew it can reach up to mach 10, thats not something where taht capability can be dismissed entirely

but prob is the pac 3 is too short range vs the longer range pac2 to quickly intercept the incoming? with longer range pac2 they can fire more in advance, intercepting it further before it went into that mode of impossible to intercept. anywho, the key ingredient always has been whether or not UA has enough early detection radar to help the patriot system. if they do then yes they have a chance, but so far i dont see it given how they couldnt intercept previous kinzhals

correct yes, but at same time the danger part is when it can go hypersonic + new pathfinding. think of it like this, if say in my radar i see you approaching north while driving at 100km/hr, and i send out vehicles to intercept you based on your current pathing + speed. suddenly you floor the pedal and changed direction slightly + reaching 300km/h, so what ive informed to the interceptors are now moot and i have to adjust on the fly on your new pathing. problem is do i still have time to adjust? thats why hypersonics are dangerous, cause it really shorten the hell out of the reaction time

it is possible to intercept at almost point blank if during hypersonic phase the patriot fired in time during its final pathing mode but thats too damn close for comfort + much luck involved

which i argued back that the kinzhal due to sheer kinetic energy wouldve shattered in pieces if it was indeed hit by patriot?

Now no more arguing about it's size?

CSIS is a civilian nonprofit think tank, it compiles data
in this case, the Mach 10 claim is from Russian statements
which sorry to say, has been mostly indah khabar dari rupa so far (Su-57, Armata, Lider, etc)


true
well, the IADS network now continues to build up with more NATO batteries being delivered, thus coverage is expanding


yes, but Kinzhal is not a "true" hypersonic
one way to describe it is ballistically hypersonic vs manoeuvreing hypersonic

"manouevreing hypersonic" is as you say, can pull of manoeuvres while at Mach 5+. very few existing weapons can do this. the only Russian weapon claimed to be manouevreing hypersonic is Avangard.

"ballistically hypersonic" doesn't manouevre at Mach 5. either it slows down to manoeuvre, or its path is basically straight down (Ballistic). all ballistic weapons do this. the first ballistically hypersonic weapon is 80 years old - Nazi Germany's V-2 rocket.

luck always plays a part
but in this case, it seems that one way or another, the Kinzhal entered the Patriot's engagement envelope

for what it's worth, the USA claims to corroborate Ukraine's account:
"I'm not going to get into the specifics or trying to characterize it, other than, again, to say we can confirm that the Ukrainians took down this Russian missile with a Patriot missile defense system."
although it is unclear whether the missile was launched by a US-donated Patriot or a Dutch-donated Patriot

Makan tank bateri or not these things?

how many more days/weeks/winter before ukraine gets destroyed, bro.

🤦‍♂️ Idiots multiplying. Don't understand that if continue its heading to WW3 and not just remain localized in their continent is it?

the second most powerful army in Ukraine doesn't really have the prestige to initiate a world war