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TSsgpdsmss
post May 12 2023, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(mewhoyou @ May 12 2023, 10:03 AM)
Compressor and Alternator as low RPM this two buat kacau ... try off AC and see if it still happens
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driving without AC?

QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 12 2023, 10:16 AM)
i just sense the foreman is not fully competent.
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this kind suddenly die ..without any error code ..
4man did something that potential then try ...
they cannot confirm to identify which parts causing the problem ...need longer time to find out...
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post May 12 2023, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 12 2023, 10:02 AM)
actually shop earn many too for the parts...
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you can check online price and negotiate with him. if you think too expensive then go other place. if he can solve your problem and swap out a lot of things for you to test, it think it's fair
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post May 12 2023, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 12 2023, 10:16 AM)
i just sense the foreman is not fully competent.
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don't know. sometimes too cheap workshop also problem
TSsgpdsmss
post May 12 2023, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(eyerule @ May 12 2023, 12:58 PM)
you can check online price and negotiate with him. if you think too expensive then go other place. if he can solve your problem and swap out a lot of things for you to test, it think it's fair
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ya ya..4man take more than a month to figure out wat hi the root cause.
yes swap part and monitor without change yet
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post May 12 2023, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 12 2023, 01:40 PM)
ya ya..4man take more than a month to figure out wat hi the root cause.
yes swap part and monitor without change yet
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There are specified ways to diagnose for unknown issues. And sometimes it does take months for workshop to find the culprit. The proper way is using OBD2 and check the readings and graph. This a very complicated process that no many in Malaysia can do.

Old school method still find but takes a bit more of trial and error. However, I see your pomen like main tembak until like just try everything.

Anyway, good luck man. Do update here what have been tried and eventually what is the fix.
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post May 12 2023, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ May 12 2023, 03:09 PM)
There are specified ways to diagnose for unknown issues. And sometimes it does take months for workshop to find the culprit. The proper way is using OBD2 and check the readings and graph. This a very complicated process that no many in Malaysia can do.

Old school method still find but takes a bit more of trial and error. However, I see your pomen like main tembak until like just try everything.

Anyway, good luck man. Do update here what have been tried and eventually what is the fix.
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haha...ya ..try n error ...

ok ..will update if found the root cause ...
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post May 13 2023, 07:29 PM

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today get back car ..4man changed new O2 sensor ...cost RM285

monitoring again...


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post May 15 2023, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 13 2023, 07:29 PM)
today get back car ..4man changed new O2 sensor ...cost RM285

monitoring again...
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changed 2x ady
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post May 15 2023, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(DupeIkan @ May 15 2023, 09:28 AM)
changed 2x ady
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1st one 4man put O2 sensor with engine logo light up ..he told no engine off issue ..

2nd change new O2 sensor ..then monitor again

i think 4man dont know what to do ..so just change new O2 sensor see how ...
4man dont want change fuel pump ..plug..plug cable ..he think not the root cause ..items price not cheaper ..


thanks ...
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post May 15 2023, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 15 2023, 10:00 AM)
1st one 4man put O2 sensor with engine logo light up ..he told no engine off issue ..

2nd change new O2 sensor ..then monitor again

i think 4man dont know what to do ..so just change new O2 sensor see how ...
4man dont want change fuel pump ..plug..plug cable ..he think not the root cause ..items price not cheaper ..
thanks ...
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fuel pump rm 130 only.
Takes 15mins to replace if whose unit

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/100-orig...3103719337.html



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post May 15 2023, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(DupeIkan @ May 15 2023, 10:21 AM)
fuel pump rm 130 only.
Takes 15mins to replace if whose unit

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/100-orig...3103719337.html

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DIY RM130 ...if 4man RM350 at least


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post May 15 2023, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(wkchia @ Apr 30 2023, 01:31 PM)
If no error code, u cant check anything.
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Can datalog and check the readings.
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post May 15 2023, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(unitron @ May 15 2023, 02:49 PM)
Can datalog and check the readings.
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normal workshop 4man know how to interpret the datalog? saw them just check got error code or not only..
not that expert ...
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post May 16 2023, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 15 2023, 05:01 PM)
normal workshop 4man know how to interpret the datalog? saw them just check got error code or not only..
not that expert ...
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Some can... it depends on their experience and familiarity with the particular engine.
Conti cars 4man normally have higher skills for this because of the complex and weird problems conti engines have.

However if i was diagnosing a Myvi... and since there is so many Myvis around.
I would first datalog a good problem free Myvi vacuum, MAP, O2 reading, Injector duty cycle, ignition timing, cam angles for example.
Then compare with the problematic Myvi and see if the readings are similar or way off.

I've my own scan tools, and those workshops normally have better and more expensive scan tools compared to mine.
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post May 16 2023, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(unitron @ May 16 2023, 08:49 AM)
Some can... it depends on their experience and familiarity with the particular engine.
Conti cars 4man normally have higher skills for this because of the complex and weird problems conti engines have.

However if i was diagnosing a Myvi... and since there is so many Myvis around.
I would first datalog a good problem free Myvi vacuum, MAP, O2 reading, Injector duty cycle, ignition timing, cam angles for example.
Then compare with the problematic Myvi and see if the readings are similar or way off.

I've my own scan tools, and those workshops normally have better and more expensive scan tools compared to mine.
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have own scan tools ?can share what model ?expensive?
where is your location ?if close can help me to scan ?

thanks ..

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post May 16 2023, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 16 2023, 10:09 AM)
have own scan tools ?can share what model ?expensive?
where is your location ?if close can help me to scan ?

thanks ..
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If using one off, it's expensive lah... I'm using Thinkcar scanner, the cheapest one.
Not mistaken cost RM 100+ and there is annual subscriptions fee based on function and car brand.

I'm in Melaka
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post May 16 2023, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(unitron @ May 16 2023, 11:43 AM)
If using one off, it's expensive lah... I'm using Thinkcar scanner, the cheapest one.
Not mistaken cost RM 100+ and there is annual subscriptions fee based on function and car brand.

I'm in Melaka
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thinkcar have few models ..your one which model ?
just plug and play to do the diag test ?need additional purchase ?
can plug in real time monitoring ?

Melaka too far ..I'm from kedah..


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post May 16 2023, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 16 2023, 01:06 PM)
thinkcar have few models ..your one which model ?
just plug and play to do the diag test ?need additional purchase ?
can plug in real time monitoring ?

Melaka too far ..I'm from kedah..
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Thinkcar Thingdiag mini
Plug to car OBD2 port and connect to the Thinkcar app on phone.
Additional purchase is annual subscription fee based on the car manufacturer and also function you want.

Yes, can real time monitoring.

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