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National Team England National Talk, Terry dropped as captain
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kobe8byrant
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Oct 14 2007, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Oct 14 2007, 12:03 AM) Disappointing. 3-0 against Estonia? And 3 lucky goals at that. I could understand not wanting to PUSH harder and risk anything (especially to the yellow cards and Owen) but the changes made were pathetic. Why the f*** not someone who hasn't played internationally? What would Lampard do? Gain a cap and that's it? Give it to someone who has something to prove.
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zeist
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Oct 14 2007, 12:05 AM
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Starting to like Wright Philips... I think he is the fastest player in tonight's match.
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kobe8byrant
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Oct 14 2007, 12:06 AM
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Striker Fernando Torres will miss Spain's Euro 2008 qualifiers after suffering a small muscle tear in his right leg in training. And he is now a major doubt for next Saturday's Merseyside derby. Hope he doesn't play, for his health sake
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DaBestOne
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Oct 14 2007, 12:08 AM
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Oct 14 2007, 01:04 AM) I could understand not wanting to PUSH harder and risk anything (especially to the yellow cards and Owen) but the changes made were pathetic. Why the f*** not someone who hasn't played internationally? What would Lampard do? Gain a cap and that's it? Give it to someone who has something to prove.  well, guess after all macca does not have the balls to let the star sit on the bench for the entire game.... This post has been edited by DaBestOne: Oct 14 2007, 12:09 AM
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kobe8byrant
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Oct 14 2007, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Oct 14 2007, 12:08 AM) well, guess after all macca does not have the balls to let the star sit on the bench for the entire game.... Knew that long ago.
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alien2003
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Oct 14 2007, 12:31 AM
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10k Club
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QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Oct 14 2007, 12:03 AM) Disappointing. 3-0 against Estonia? And 3 lucky goals at that. Real test is on Wednesday. But then again, the England side should always be able to beat Russia. McClaren better not screw this up. Will need to see how they perform on the artificial turf though QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Oct 14 2007, 12:04 AM) I could understand not wanting to PUSH harder and risk anything (especially to the yellow cards and Owen) but the changes made were pathetic. Why the f*** not someone who hasn't played internationally? What would Lampard do? Gain a cap and that's it? Give it to someone who has something to prove.  Perhaps Steve is thinking of going a 4-5-1 safety first @ Russia and bring in Lampard as 5th midfield?  QUOTE (L)RUSSIA V ENGLAND
Channel: Astro SuperSport (811) Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 Time: 10:55:00 PM
Synopsis: LIVE: EURO 2008 Qualifier: Russia vs England, from Luzhniki Stadium, Moscow. http://www.astro.com.my/programming/channe...prog_id=4640011This post has been edited by alien2003: Oct 14 2007, 12:32 AM
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kobe8byrant
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Oct 14 2007, 12:44 AM
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YOU actually think that Macca has the balls to drop a star player in Rooney?
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alien2003
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Oct 14 2007, 12:49 AM
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Oct 14 2007, 12:44 AM) YOU actually think that Macca has the balls to drop a star player in Rooney? http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11967_2794561,00.htmlAn article where Paul Merson think Lampard will play against Russia in a 4-5-1 with Owen making way [2 games in 5 days after surgery?]
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kobe8byrant
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Oct 14 2007, 12:57 AM
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First of all, I still think we can play 4-4-2 against Russia. We blitz them in Wembley and we have enough quality to do it again in their home artificial turf. Secondly, I doubt Macca can play any other way apart from a boring conventional 4-4-2. Thirdly, we can go on and on on how well Lamps has done for Chelsea but fact is Barry has came in and since he and Gerrard has teamed up, we have scored 10 goals in three matches with three clean sheets? Fourthly, I'd go to say that Lampard isn't good enough to play on his own. His career only got going when he had Makalele and Essien to start cleaning his shit so he could bomb forward and Gerrard ain't going to do that.
For me, 4-4-2 with Lampard on the bench. No other way and I think Owen was placed in cotton to protect him from injuries and to protect himself from Sam
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TSunknown
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Oct 14 2007, 06:34 PM
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Cole concern for EnglandQUOTE Steve McClaren has confirmed Ashley Cole is a doubt to face Russia on Wednesday after injuring his ankle against Estonia.
The England left-back landed awkwardly when tracking back inside his own box and was clearly in discomfort while receiving treatment.
Cole had to be carried off on a stretcher having been unable to walk under his own power.
There was obvious concern on the England bench and McClaren admits it will be an anxious next 24 hours waiting to discover the full extent of the injury.
"Ashley Cole is obviously a doubt," McClaren told Sky Sports. "He rocked his ankle.
"That will be assessed over the next 24 hours which will be a critical period.
"It was a bit unfortunate because we were only going to give him another 10 or 15 minutes to make sure we started the second-half well."
Terry getting better
England could welcome back John Terry in Russia after McClaren gave a positive update on the England captain's knee injury.
He said: "John Terry looked better again this morning and we'll assess it tomorrow.
"If he gets better and better who knows, Monday he might train or travel with us and train on Tuesday.
"But he's still a doubt." http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12010_2799486,00.html
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ming2020
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Oct 15 2007, 12:50 PM
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What are the chances of Leighton Baines making it in place of A.Cole I wonder...?
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stevanistelrooy
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Oct 15 2007, 01:19 PM
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Ten seconds you won't believe what's gonna happen.
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I have a strong feeling and won't be surprised if Barry was pushed to LB and Lampard start.
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Katsumoto
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Oct 15 2007, 01:34 PM
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Oh cmon...i feel Steve o Mac finally had da ballz to drop Lampard and move on with the current formation. To be precise, the first half starting IX did it better and i believe will set the foundation for more games to come.
No offence to Lamps, but when your coaching position is at stake with another 2 more games and Gareth Barry playing immensively well in DM, why in da blue world you'd wanna revert him to LB and bring on Lamps in da middle.
Here, let me give u a scenario..of what's gonna happen. STevie G gets the ball, passes to SWP crosses to Rooney who'll slips past a few defenders (possibly), sets the ball to Owen but was deflected by a defender who puts the ball into Lamps feet. Lamps sees Owen firmly in an open area..frantically waving his hand and doing da hula hula dance "Pass da freakin ball to me".
My guess is as good as da whole load of English fans...Lamps going for glory takes another stinging shot which lands firmly on da keeper hands.
p.s. After 5 attempts of similar field rage, he hits da post to say da least and has Stevie G commenting to da press "It's hard done by to have Barry dropped to the subs or reverted to LB"
This post has been edited by Katsumoto: Oct 15 2007, 01:39 PM
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wayne_chen
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Oct 15 2007, 02:22 PM
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McCLAREN WANTS ROONEY CONSISTENCY » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Steve McClaren's psychological ploy worked a treat at Wembley on Saturday - and now the England coach wants more of the same from Wayne Rooney.
In praising the Manchester United striker's honest admission about two years of below-par performances for England earlier this week, McClaren also added the warning his 21-year-old forward was still far from the finished product.
By labelling Rooney as 'potentially world-class', McClaren was delivering the kind of back-handed compliment guaranteed to draw a reaction. And what a reaction it was.
Rooney may have been edged out of man-of-the-match honours by the excellent Gareth Barry during Saturday's 3-0 win over Estonia.
But the energy in his performance was something to behold and in scoring England's second, belting home Joe Cole's cross with a neat shot on the turn, Rooney was ending a goal drought in competitive combat that stretched back to Euro 2004.
And, while there was no public admission his jibe about Rooney's talent was specifically aimed at triggering the performance the Merseysider produced, McClaren did not really have to. His beaming smile said it all about a job very well done indeed.
"When players of this standard receive criticism, they have to prove themselves on the pitch," said the England coach.
"That is exactly what Wayne has done. Now he has to do is consistently.
"He admitted himself he had a point to prove and he has gone a long way to doing that.
"We all know Wayne is a threat and I repeat, he has the potential to be world class. I am delighted with his goal but his overall contribution to the team was very good. He got better and better as the game went on."
It was not a blanket assessment of England's all-round performance as their effectiveness tapered off markedly as the second half wore on.
However, that did not really matter as by the half hour point, McClaren's team were three goals to the good, had victory in the bag and were merely saving energy for Wednesday's meeting with Russia in Moscow where victory will seal a place at Euro 2008 with a month to spare.
Such a prospect was virtually unthinkable six months ago when McClaren and his team were mercilessly jeered and heckled by their own fans after an atrocious performance against Andorra in Barcelona.
At that point it did not appear McClaren would even survive the summer, let alone reach a point where can preside over such a stylish route to Austria and Switzerland.
"I said all along qualifying is a long campaign," reflected McClaren.
"I am not really surprised at the position we are in now. I have always had great belief in these players and the quality we have got.
"It just frustrated me at the time that we weren't doing better, just as it delights me that we finally are doing that now."
Indeed, the only remnant from that sorry day is the incessant booing of Frank Lampard, who was introduced for Michael Owen to a notably negative reaction.
Given Lampard could yet figure at the Luzhniki Stadium this week as McClaren toys with the idea of a 4-3-3 formation to stifle Guus Hiddink's men, it was one of only two real minuses.
The other was the loss of Ashley Cole to an ankle injury which is almost certain to see him miss the Russia trip, and possibly quite a while after that given the amount of pain the Chelsea full-back was in as he was stretchered down the tunnel.
Nicky Shorey, Phil Neville and Joleon Lescott, who looked hesitant as he made his debut from the bench, are the trio vying to replace Cole if, as expected, he is ruled out.
Skipper John Terry continues to improve and his fitness will be assessed on Monday morning before England head to the Thomas Holford Catholic College in Altrincham for their first experience of the 'field turf' on which this week's game will be played.
McClaren now knows a win will seal his side's fate, while a draw would leave them requiring just a single point from their final game against Croatia at Wembley next month to confirm their place among the last 16.
Given the stakes are so high, it is perhaps understandable the former Middlesbrough coach prefers not to let minds become clouded by the pitch issue.
"I am not worried about it at all," he said.
"We have done our research over 100 games that have been played on it and there is no difference between the field turf surface and grass at all. Whatever we are presented with, we will cope with.
"Win on Wednesday and we will be through. What a great opportunity that is. We should have no fears about it at all." source
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zeist
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Oct 15 2007, 02:59 PM
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Hopefully this wednesday match able to see Lampard play.
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shah_ho_nam2
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Oct 15 2007, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 15 2007, 03:59 PM) Hopefully this wednesday match able to see Lampard play. shouldn't left SWP as usual he would be the defence breaker and J Cole to assist any player for goals and more goals
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-=mayatsan=-
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Oct 15 2007, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 14 2007, 12:05 AM) Starting to like Wright Philips... I think he is the fastest player in tonight's match. hahahahahah chelsea LW ftw...he'so fcukin fast QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 15 2007, 02:59 PM) Hopefully this wednesday match able to see Lampard play. yeah...hopefully
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kobe8byrant
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Oct 15 2007, 03:15 PM
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Latest news says that
Robinson LB - Shorey or Neville CB - Ferdinand - Terry (or Richards if Terry's unfit) RB - Young (if Richards' CB)
Midfield 3 - Gerrard-Barry-Lampard Front 3-Cole-Owen-Rooney
I think the defence's bollocks. I'd go with
Shorey-Ferdinand-Campbell-Richards (if Terry isn't fit)
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DaBestOne
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Oct 15 2007, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(wayne_chen @ Oct 15 2007, 03:22 PM) McCLAREN WANTS ROONEY CONSISTENCY » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Steve McClaren's psychological ploy worked a treat at Wembley on Saturday - and now the England coach wants more of the same from Wayne Rooney.
In praising the Manchester United striker's honest admission about two years of below-par performances for England earlier this week, McClaren also added the warning his 21-year-old forward was still far from the finished product.
By labelling Rooney as 'potentially world-class', McClaren was delivering the kind of back-handed compliment guaranteed to draw a reaction. And what a reaction it was.
Rooney may have been edged out of man-of-the-match honours by the excellent Gareth Barry during Saturday's 3-0 win over Estonia.
But the energy in his performance was something to behold and in scoring England's second, belting home Joe Cole's cross with a neat shot on the turn, Rooney was ending a goal drought in competitive combat that stretched back to Euro 2004.
And, while there was no public admission his jibe about Rooney's talent was specifically aimed at triggering the performance the Merseysider produced, McClaren did not really have to. His beaming smile said it all about a job very well done indeed.
"When players of this standard receive criticism, they have to prove themselves on the pitch," said the England coach.
"That is exactly what Wayne has done. Now he has to do is consistently.
"He admitted himself he had a point to prove and he has gone a long way to doing that.
"We all know Wayne is a threat and I repeat, he has the potential to be world class. I am delighted with his goal but his overall contribution to the team was very good. He got better and better as the game went on."
It was not a blanket assessment of England's all-round performance as their effectiveness tapered off markedly as the second half wore on.
However, that did not really matter as by the half hour point, McClaren's team were three goals to the good, had victory in the bag and were merely saving energy for Wednesday's meeting with Russia in Moscow where victory will seal a place at Euro 2008 with a month to spare.
Such a prospect was virtually unthinkable six months ago when McClaren and his team were mercilessly jeered and heckled by their own fans after an atrocious performance against Andorra in Barcelona.
At that point it did not appear McClaren would even survive the summer, let alone reach a point where can preside over such a stylish route to Austria and Switzerland.
"I said all along qualifying is a long campaign," reflected McClaren.
"I am not really surprised at the position we are in now. I have always had great belief in these players and the quality we have got.
"It just frustrated me at the time that we weren't doing better, just as it delights me that we finally are doing that now."
Indeed, the only remnant from that sorry day is the incessant booing of Frank Lampard, who was introduced for Michael Owen to a notably negative reaction.
Given Lampard could yet figure at the Luzhniki Stadium this week as McClaren toys with the idea of a 4-3-3 formation to stifle Guus Hiddink's men, it was one of only two real minuses.
The other was the loss of Ashley Cole to an ankle injury which is almost certain to see him miss the Russia trip, and possibly quite a while after that given the amount of pain the Chelsea full-back was in as he was stretchered down the tunnel.
Nicky Shorey, Phil Neville and Joleon Lescott, who looked hesitant as he made his debut from the bench, are the trio vying to replace Cole if, as expected, he is ruled out.
Skipper John Terry continues to improve and his fitness will be assessed on Monday morning before England head to the Thomas Holford Catholic College in Altrincham for their first experience of the 'field turf' on which this week's game will be played.
McClaren now knows a win will seal his side's fate, while a draw would leave them requiring just a single point from their final game against Croatia at Wembley next month to confirm their place among the last 16.
Given the stakes are so high, it is perhaps understandable the former Middlesbrough coach prefers not to let minds become clouded by the pitch issue.
"I am not worried about it at all," he said.
"We have done our research over 100 games that have been played on it and there is no difference between the field turf surface and grass at all. Whatever we are presented with, we will cope with.
"Win on Wednesday and we will be through. What a great opportunity that is. We should have no fears about it at all." source rooney is definitely one of the best stikers in the world with clinical finishing... well, in international level he might lack that bit of consitency... but in club level he is quite consistent imo.... except when he just recovered from injuries..
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-=mayatsan=-
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Oct 15 2007, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Oct 15 2007, 03:19 PM) rooney is definitely one of the best stikers in the world with clinical finishing... well, in international level he might lack that bit of consitency... but in club level he is quite consistent imo.... except when he just recovered from injuries..  thats normal to professiional club player....international wise...he had to get used....he used to train with his colleague in MAN U rather than England
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