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nuvi
post Jan 16 2023, 01:10 PM

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They also will check back the recording, maybe random check.

The responsibility to be honest and without any mistake now lies on the customer, case will be recorded on customer mistake of not scanning or flagged as stealing if multiple times it happens. Worst when it become police case.

So yeah, thanks but no thanks.
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:14 PM

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Sometime we not stealing but what if our kids put the item into cart without telling and I didn’t even notice or maybe some items I forgot to scan, How? Am I going to jail?
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(Alternate Gabriel @ Jan 16 2023, 12:59 PM)
I used it once

It’s too troublesome to scan each of the grocery items

It’s not even user friendly if you buy a lot.

I end up just queue in a normal way.
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use it few time..

lot of items bit troublesome but for less than 20 items, it still okay especially if going to heavy traffic lotus and self check out more faster laugh.gif
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(Alternate Gabriel @ Jan 16 2023, 12:59 PM)
I used it once

It’s too troublesome to scan each of the grocery items

It’s not even user friendly if you buy a lot.

I end up just queue in a normal way.
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for first time sure got tak cun abit la.
after use few times should ok dy. everytime you take item, straight scan. price more accurate also.

last week went to tesco. got unker behind bising2 to unker infront of me bcuz go below 10 item counter to pay his full loaded trolley. cashier need scan 1 by 1. actually he indirectly talk to me also bcoz my trolley also full. but i already scan use the apps.

ngam2 payment he say " you tak apa guna apps. itu sohai sudah tau banyak lagi guna ini kaunter " haha haiyo
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:16 PM

 
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QUOTE(RonanGow @ Jan 16 2023, 01:14 PM)
Sometime we not stealing but what if our kids put the item into cart without telling and I didn’t even notice or maybe some items I forgot to scan, How? Am I going to jail?
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If your kids took Milo tin, yes you're going to jail. But if took RM2.6b then nothing will happen.
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(silverbolt143 @ Jan 16 2023, 12:51 PM)
simple.. after payment, u still need to passthrough the sensor.. anything not scanned will trigger..
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you need RFID tags for this kind of implementation, i doubt they implement for all items.

Clothes or electronics maybe, but if you see how decathlon implement their RFID tags in the label itself, you gotta pass the item through a machine to mark it as purchased.

Doubt lotus have such tech for now.


QUOTE(eds2 @ Jan 16 2023, 01:03 PM)
be honest and let people enjoy nice things
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I'm not encouraging people to steal in any way, just curious on the business decisions they made to implement such feature. Was the risk calculated?

QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jan 16 2023, 01:04 PM)
But why need separate app and not integrate this scan & shop function into their main Lotuss app?
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I agree that they should combine it, but maybe its better to keep it separate for now until it reaches a certain level of maturity and fine tuning before merging them. Not too sure whats the reasoning from the developers and management.
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Jan 16 2023, 01:02 PM)
tied to your Lotus account, so you can collect your points easily too.
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I don have lotuss acc, rarely shop
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(silverbolt143 @ Jan 16 2023, 12:51 PM)
simple.. after payment, u still need to passthrough the sensor.. anything not scanned will trigger..
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:20 PM

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i buy 1 item also i go counter, i lazy af.....
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:22 PM

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All the time. My wife loved this feature. Until now they never check anything.
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Jan 16 2023, 01:14 PM)
use it few time..

lot of items bit troublesome but for less than 20 items, it still okay especially if going to heavy traffic lotus and self check out more faster  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Coldf3ar @ Jan 16 2023, 01:15 PM)
for first time sure got tak cun abit la.
after use few times should ok dy. everytime you take item, straight scan. price more accurate also.

last week went to tesco. got unker behind bising2 to unker infront of me bcuz go below 10 item counter to pay his full loaded trolley. cashier need scan 1 by 1. actually he indirectly talk to me also bcoz my trolley also full. but i already scan use the apps.

ngam2 payment he say " you tak apa guna apps. itu sohai sudah tau banyak lagi guna ini kaunter " haha haiyo
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I don’t know why it takes so long for them to implement the self service machines

Some of the lotus branch already implement the service, some of them still depends on the manual cashiering and scan & shop.


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post Jan 16 2023, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(nuvi @ Jan 16 2023, 01:10 PM)
They also will check back the recording, maybe random check.

The responsibility to be honest and without any mistake now lies on the customer, case will be recorded on customer mistake of not scanning or flagged as stealing if multiple times it happens. Worst when it become police case.

So yeah, thanks but no thanks.
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I've heard rumors of theft cases in Tesco before, but most of them dont prosecute. their management is quite kind.

Not sure about Lotus tho.

QUOTE(RonanGow @ Jan 16 2023, 01:14 PM)
Sometime we not stealing but what if our kids put the item into cart without telling and I didn’t even notice or maybe some items I forgot to scan, How? Am I going to jail?
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There are people who are new to the tech or make honest mistake, how do we differentiate.

I believe they should have an internal procedure on managing these cases

QUOTE(Coldf3ar @ Jan 16 2023, 01:15 PM)
for first time sure got tak cun abit la.
after use few times should ok dy. everytime you take item, straight scan. price more accurate also.

last week went to tesco. got unker behind bising2 to unker infront of me bcuz go below 10 item counter to pay his full loaded trolley. cashier need scan 1 by 1. actually he indirectly talk to me also bcoz my trolley also full. but i already scan use the apps.

ngam2 payment he say " you tak apa guna apps. itu sohai sudah tau banyak lagi guna ini kaunter " haha haiyo
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I feel quite pissed too, looking at people queueing up like crazy during CNY when the solution is so simple.

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post Jan 16 2023, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Jan 16 2023, 01:19 PM)
you need RFID tags for this kind of implementation, i doubt they implement for all items.

Clothes or electronics maybe, but if you see how decathlon implement their RFID tags in the label itself, you gotta pass the item through a machine to mark it as purchased.

Doubt lotus have such tech for now.
I'm not encouraging people to steal in any way, just curious on the business decisions they made to implement such feature. Was the risk calculated?
I agree that they should combine it, but maybe its better to keep it separate for now until it reaches a certain level of maturity and fine tuning before merging them. Not too sure whats the reasoning from the developers and management.
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i dunno man. most cashier, they check first how many items checked in system and how many stuff you have in hands/bag.

maybe their risk management/recovery team already calculate the data depends on which lotus branch.

if place A got many theft, the security will be tighter, CCTV, etc

This post has been edited by eds2: Jan 16 2023, 01:26 PM
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:30 PM

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Always follow SOP, after scan put 1 side, no cheating
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(wilsonjay @ Jan 16 2023, 12:49 PM)
went to jusco 1utama that day

it was empty, everyone queue at the counter instead KEK

meanwhile i self checkout few mins kaotim
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went to aeon max,

they off the selfcheckout lelz
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(eds2 @ Jan 16 2023, 01:25 PM)
i dunno man. most cashier, they check first how many items checked in system and how many stuff you have in hands/bag.

maybe their risk management/recovery team already calculate the data depends on which lotus branch.

if place A got many theft, the security will be tighter, CCTV, etc
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Maybe I always go during peak or they're understaffed, never got checked.

The assistant are too busy helping those who are having trouble with payment/scanning since 1 person manning 6-8 self checkout counters.

QUOTE(keyibukeyi @ Jan 16 2023, 01:30 PM)
Always follow SOP, after scan put 1 side, no cheating
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this is not scan items 1 by 1 at the self checkout counter, its scanning items using your phone, then just scan 1 barcode at the self checkout counter for all the items you scanned previously on the app, pay then GTFO.
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(pureawesomeness @ Jan 16 2023, 01:06 PM)
How can the sensor detect items not scanned? Not like it can read the barcodes. It's to detect items with the black tag on it, usually they put it for Necafe and milk powder.
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the POS will detect it and will notify the staff, then they will bring it out if those got sensor, even liquor they will ask if you got take it cool2.gif
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:37 PM

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I used it every time because no queue at the cashier most of the time
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Jan 16 2023, 01:34 PM)
Maybe I always go during peak or they're understaffed, never got checked.

The assistant are too busy helping those who are having trouble with payment/scanning since 1 person manning 6-8 self checkout counters.
this is not scan items 1 by 1 at the self checkout counter, its scanning items using your phone, then just scan 1 barcode at the self checkout counter for all the items you scanned previously on the app, pay then GTFO.
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i know what u toking, but put 1side scann betterer.
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post Jan 16 2023, 01:40 PM

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I thought there's pak guard at the exit to make sure the number of items in the receipt tally with the items out?

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