Pengusaha tapak perkhemahan Father’s Organic Farm (FoF) menjelaskan kejadian tanah runtuh yang mengorbankan 24 nyawa setakat ini bukan berpunca di tapak perkhemahan mereka.

Sebaliknya, jurucakap tapak perkhemahan Father’s Organic Farm, Frankie Tan berkata, tanah runtuh itu tanah kerajaan dan di tepi jalan yang jaraknya antara 2 kilometer (km) 3 km dari tapak mereka.

“Saya ingin menjelaskan tanah runtuh bukan bermula di tapak perkhemahan kami tetapi di tanah kerajaan dan di tepi jalan yang jaraknya antara 2 kilometer (km) 3 km dari tapak kami,” katanya dalam sidang akhbar semalam.

Mengulas mengenai lesen, Tan berkata, pihaknya tidak dapat membuat permohonan bagi mendapatkan lesen perkhemahan kerana permit sedemikian tidak pernah wujud.

Katanya, perkara itu dimaklumkan oleh pelbagai agensi kerajaan termasuk Jabatan Pertanian bahawa tiada lesen seumpama itu boleh dipohon oleh pengusaha tapak perkhemahan.

“Saya pernah bertanya kepada pegawai kerajaan sama ada kami perlu memohon lesen tapak perkhemahan atau tidak. Pegawai itu berkata tiada permit kerana tapak perkhemahan ini bukan struktur kekal seperti hotel, justeru tiada lesen untuk dipohon.

“Bukannya kami tidak mahu membuat permohonan tetapi memang tidak ada cara untuk kami memohon,” katanya.

Dalam tragedi pukul 2.42 pagi pada Jumaat lalu, berlaku runtuhan tanah sepanjang hampir 300 meter dan setinggi 70 meter di tapak perkhemahan yang terletak di Jalan Batang Kali-Genting Highland itu.

Seramai 24 mangsa disahkan terkorban daripada keseluruhan 94 orang yang terbabit dalam tragedi itu manakala, sembilan mangsa lagi masih hilang dan sehingga kini, operasi Mencari dan Menyelamat (SAR) masih dijalankan.

Pihak pengurusan Father’s Organic Farm telah memberi keterangan kepada polis pada Ahad lalu dan turut mengucapkan takziah kepada semua waris mangsa yang terlibat dalam kejadian tanah runtuh yang berlaku di bawah kawasan seliaan mereka.

Father’s Organic Farm dalam satu kenyataan di Facebooknya melahirkan rasa dukacita dan simpatinya terhadap semua mangsa dan waris yang terkesan akibat tragedi berkenaan.

Dalam pada itu, Tan turut mendakwa bahawa pihaknya tidak menyedari bahawa kawasan berkenaan diklasifikasikan sebagai berisiko tinggi selain bermula sebagai ladang organik sebelum menyediakan perkhidmatan perkhemahan pada 2017 atas permintaan pengunjung. – UTUSAN

https://www.utusan.com.my/nasional/2022/12/...lSJ6EMYlFuqbi1E

opening a can full of worms in 3.. 2.. 1..

Abuden his land is under the slope

Unless got antigravity then it is not possible to origin from his land


But then, due deligent before setup a campsite where? Hantam ja?

ok...it govt wrong...

so customers sendiri chose to go camping at unsafe place that is likely to have accident...

Stupid choice if word to say tanah kerajaan.

Translation: No permit to have camping but we still wanna make money from our land.

$$$$$

If you come stay and pay us, you bear all the risk.

PS: Many durian farms also offering farmstay.

This post has been edited by Hobbez: Dec 20 2022, 05:24 PM

Mati katak?

now all point finger, malaysia culture, this kind of disaster nobody want and nobody can predict, just look at the future where this thing can be prevent

if no licenses then need to start provide and inspection on all the camp site checking for potential risk

landslide its not a joke but geologist can predict and alert on risk due to raining season or landscape changing enviroments

8 months ago already have soil movements, how to explain this?

Taichiii

come dah with all the technicality

if they applied for license

need to go through all those safety check

eventually will find the place not safe for camping

so conclusion still owner fault

should jail this cb

Not defending them but there is no such thing as license for campsite in Malaysia.

yes no business license, coz really, not intend to do a "accommodation" business on piece of farm land..

next time, factory operator also let people short stay in the factory la. when shit happens, say not that they dun want apply for permit or license, but no such license available..

This post has been edited by brkli: Dec 20 2022, 05:32 PM

hkorek2 bawah of course tanah atas runtuh

Frankie Tan, the operator of Father’s Organic Farm has reiterated that he will not absolve himself of responsibility although the Batang Kali landslide did not happen within the farm.

In a press conference, he first expressed deep sorrow for the victims and their families, adding that he would assist them in whatever way possible.

As for the Batang Kali tragedy which occurred last week, he told reporters that he would not avoid responsibility.

"As an operator of the campsite, we would like to say that we won’t shirk our responsibilities."

“However, the landslide did not happen within our campsite but on another piece of land.

Read here: https://weirdkaya.com/father-organic-farm-r...ty-frankie-tan/

No way to obtain permit then why still want to operating the business?

Bottomline is wanna make more money. Apa susah?

Later when kena sue by the victims, the lawyer will say the same thing.

After that, sue the majlis for lack of enforcement.

In the end, kena the operator back when pics of soil movement were shown in court as evidence that 8 months ago already started to happen.

Those want to plotek the operator better take down all the soil movement pics from 8 months ago circulating online.

This post has been edited by acbc: Dec 20 2022, 05:35 PM

if you see from aerial view 0.37, there's patch of land with dead tree near the road

the footage 2 years ago

This post has been edited by ps3 fanboy: Dec 20 2022, 05:36 PM

Mean dah nampak dekat area start tanah runtuh and owner buat bodo tak nampak tak peduli la tu?



Ok boleh charge intentional murdering

His point is??? It’s gomen’s fault for not giving him license?

Got license also die la if gomen no take care of their tanah, right?

his point is, he illegally use the piece of land from what it is intended for. but it is govt fault for not having such license.

Tanah private - checked

Boleh buat camp - checked

Boleh untung - checked

Ok let's start the business

This post has been edited by Ayambetul: Dec 20 2022, 05:41 PM

Taichi and blaming game started...🤭🤭

You build up a camps near to a hilly slope, you run it like a business, you collected money, and when an accident happens, you say I'm not the one who blame cause no such permit is provided.

Then Who the F told you to do such illegal business in the first place. Oh the money is too good cause of high demand , and if no such permit, then take payah peduli, keep sucking money from consumer without checking the land surrounding. WTF

ini pusing pun ada orang mau sokong, aduhhhh

This post has been edited by Clement1001: Dec 20 2022, 05:58 PM

mana Nga who blame them for no lesen ???

This post has been edited by Cincai lar: Dec 20 2022, 05:42 PM

Send him into lockup first then only talk


Pusing pusing buang masa


People die on his land mang, he should held responsibility. Somemore he is taking profit on the activities he organised

This post has been edited by Ayambetul: Dec 20 2022, 05:44 PM

makan popcorn. nyam3

Learjet35 can clarified about the licensing? since you did yr shameless promotion on the original thread mentioning that you are in the middle of getting the license. is there such license? or you also bullshitting too?

And who's in govt now? Yes, DAP.

Thus salahan DAP.

all carparks has the same tnc? If you come park your kereta and pay us, you bear all the risk.

And who in DAP?LGE...
So salahan LGE

so, whats the land type? commercial? residential? industrial? or agriculture?

Must understand the basic nature of land. Land yg penuh pokok2 kenapa no landslide happen?
Landslide only happens when human pandai korek2 tanah and botak kan kawasan hill slope.
If anyone seen the camping family picture , behind the hill slope that oredi botak licin, memang ask tradegy to happen .
The basic land infrastructure they must learn. Pokok root is to grab the land together , tuhan kata, u don't simply korek2, dia bagi balasan nanti.

If it's tanah perhutanan , let it remain nature, there are reason why bushes and trees are there

This post has been edited by D10yrspain: Dec 20 2022, 05:57 PM

Everyone looking for a finger to point.

iirc not enforceable

I can understAnd if u want to make money . But did u research if ur organic farm can accomodate 100 people ? I doubt u even hired any engineer or specialist to assess the risk .
If u open ur farm for 100 ppl its obvious for money . If for 10 ppl i can understAnd you want to share your passion About nature and its adventures. But 100 ppl is really outrageous

This post has been edited by Ttbatdtptsm: Dec 20 2022, 06:04 PM

So to say every glamping site in Malaysia got no license?

Then if got anything happen liao point finger at operator then operator point to govt coz govt say don haf camping license to give.

Duh.. Water is wet..

Own risk to go anywhere or sleep anywhere

How you know 8 months ago?

they have rental contract for the site for the night they were camping?

How is it illegal?

Uncle should become politician. Same minister taichi answering technic.

Later all those tauke balak how to make money? Cos they balak, they cut the biggest trees only, and once those trees are gone, the soil also becomes weaker without their roots.

No need talk about all those musang king that chop all the trees clean. Gomen sudah approve so much hilly forest land for durian.

Salah both parties. Who went and approved the land clearing on the slope above the camp. And who asked the camp operator to still keep on running his operation despite seeing the botak slope above him.

People now calling for blood on this but fail to recognise this shit happens all the time and rakyat has been encouraging it all along.

See those tepi jalan F&B la. When accident also rakyat react the same. When no accident all go there support the business and ignore personal safety.
Rakyat sendiri can't do simple risk assessment, just wanna blame blame blame.

Usually there will be disclaimer on signboard or something

How is 2km measured? Don't understand this part

Involve how many lives oredi people don't want to hear about taukeh balak punya earning. Siapa punya land dan siapa approved korek2. Together tanggung la

Summon Card 'bukan Salah aku'

Good question to be ask

I been going to one durian farm homestay past few years pre covid time (yes its a slope terrain stay). Purpose, durian served to you not later than 6 hours from drop. U get the full gassy fruit

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Dec 20 2022, 06:21 PM

Ok, now insurance claim (if any) seems payable.

Deswai PN should be gomen...

Then this issue wouldn't happend.

Oh mai....

Sendiri admit they use the land for accommodation (camping) business without accommodation license and tell us that the government has no such license to apply.

That means illegal business.

What due diligence? Profit nambah one mari dulu. How to sue gomen when it’s act of nature unless some develoment was conducted on the gomen land.

Everyone here is missing the big picture. Obviously the culprit is the one that cleared the forest on top of the campsite. If you want blood go for that fella.

no permit to apply means government tell u not supposed do it commercially.

now langgar alrd do commercially 100ppl kutip money no lesen.. gg..
in the end gov still win

This post has been edited by lee_lnh: Dec 20 2022, 06:34 PM

Now cry mader fader. Masa untung diam2.

Life is hard in msia, if not why businesses have to take this kind of risk. Our country sucks, we have to have multiple source of income to even survive. Ultimately it is the gomens fault

This post has been edited by thxxht: Dec 20 2022, 06:36 PM

Tauke balak protected by politicians. Cannot touch them.

so orang lain punya tahi depan rumah kau , kau tak rasa busuk ?

no structure? ?
notice the red color X70, now still can see wreckage there

This post has been edited by bereev: Dec 20 2022, 06:59 PM

There is no license to kill too


Inb4 007

This post has been edited by desmond2020: Dec 20 2022, 07:26 PM

In his opinion. No licence created by majlis penbadaran means he can operate the business legally. And start pointing finger.. Wow..

Agriculture licence only for agriculture purpose and not accommodation and hotel.

Die die say it is camping loh

nak cakap salahan jkr tak jaga cerun jalan raya laitu

you know, 007 tell me he had been trying to get license to kill from our gov but gov say no such license

he ask if it is then legal to kill without license

to be frank...

there was never such permit available in the first place

Airbnb operators also no hotel license.
Grab drivers initially also no permits from the government.

frankie feeling the heat

they do need to run their premise on 'COMMERCIAL' title property only

meanwhile someone running resort style accommodation on 'AGRICULTURE' land

Bagi chance la

Like that, the flood victims who had died yesterday can sue Kelantan/ Terengganu government or not?

bawah tanah pertanian xde laa..

actually this is very interesting

as it is for lawyer to demonstrate gov failed to provide reasonable flood mitigation

kelatan could be on fire as they did get money from federal for such purpose

But If they not doing campsite business in the first place, the landslides only hit the farm. Not everyone else....
Some more 100 people on that campsite. Thats on level like typical resort or small hotel already.

Also I think other countries like Japan have license on everything that need to do business. Campsite also need to have license actually. Some more have system check-in check-out like typical resort/hotel.

This post has been edited by nazrul90: Dec 20 2022, 07:57 PM

there are no license to open 2feidei shop
so can operate la
Malaysia no law say cannot prostitute also

they run it like resort, they should get a hotel permit

which is impossible because the land is zoned for agriculture purpose

it is not illegal to sell you body

but it is a crime to solicits for it

I believe factory operating license would have explicitly disallow the building being used for accommodations.

Then they shouldn't proceed with the idea lor.
From the response the owner like want to running away.

Said they will be responsible. In what way? Give condolences post only?

saying the landslide originated from other piece of land is actually pretty lame

ayam almost spit out water ayam drinking when i read that lol

Many new type of businesses like ride eHailing, food delivery, Airbnb etc also start operating way before authorities come out with regulations.

Regulators will forever be playing catch up with new business idea. Many airlines regulations were drafted after catastrophe happened.

aaah so convenient of them to blame the government but not themselves.

memang apa sarahan saya.

Because not illegal to do so.
Same like if so sign say no uturn that means can uturn

there is no license to kill too......

Wait for some genius say why state no construct wall to prevent flood from sea. Think I saw similar over past few days regarding the landslide.

Oh you mean loophole..
An agriculture land but got nice scenery. Let's turn it to campsite.. I bet they made up the story want to apply permit but actually never apply in the first place.

This post has been edited by nazrul90: Dec 20 2022, 08:18 PM

From photo
Riverside camp maybe 2-3 km away
But the hillside camp look very very close leh…

But there are law that say cannot kill.
Unless there are laws that say cannot operate camp

Council already said no such permit. Apply nonsense la.

No permit exist = no guidelines to prevent/mitigate disaster.

I see both side also cb. But people only wanna kecam operator.

there are ample of laws say site owner is responsible for safety of its visitors

don't trust my word for it, ask any lawyer

council already zoned it for 'AGRICULTURAL' purpose

what you want anyway?

Guess which country's law is this

18. Duties of an occupier of a place of work to persons other than his employees.
(1) An occupier of non-domestic premises which has been made available to persons, not being his employees, as a place of work, or as a place where they may use a plant or substance provided for
their use there, shall take such measures as are practicable to ensure that the premises, all means of access thereto and egress therefrom available for use by persons using the premises, and any plant
or substance in the premises or provided for use there, is or are safe and without risks to health.
(2) A person who has, by virtue of a contract or lease or otherwise, an obligation of any extent in relation to -
(a) the maintenance or repair of a place of work or any means of access thereto or egress therefrom; or
(b) the prevention of risks to safety and health that may arise from the use of any plant or substance in the place of work, shall for the purpose of subsection (1) be deemed to have control of the matters to which his
obligation extends.

if you are operating it for commercial purpose, you are bound to have duty of care for your customers.

the biggest downfall of this incident is the hill erosion pictured on internet too obvious to ignore.

yes the owner is regretful, does not wish harm etc. but still "duty of care" is the core of any service businesses, and failure to fulfill the obligation could harm the safety of client, and in this case, life lost.


after all it's consensual use of service, but owner side still hold the guilt of not taking precaution of the "obvious" land erosion. i do not wish jail penalty etc towards the owner, but hope he/she will compensate well for the family of this incident, by compensate i dont mean 10k, i mean at least 500k per person.