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post Feb 24 2024, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Feb 24 2024, 11:09 PM)
That nut is trying to make something out of nothing, with the hope that others will lose faith in Jesus Christ. Strangely for someone who doesn't know the bible, sure as hell have a lot of nonsense to say. Empty gong makes the loudest noise.
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Delusional Christians are even worst.

Like the Rabbi said [2:59]:

They sell the idea that Jesus Loves Everyone. You not interested? I tried to save you, didn't I, but there goes another lost soul.

So basically Christianity says God Loves You Very Much and if you're not interested you can go to HELL forever. laugh.gif

Now don't you think Judaism is more down to earth and logical in their teachings? Where is the vulnerability in the LOVE you proclaim?

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QUOTE(kcal @ Feb 25 2024, 12:07 AM)
you know what? the oldest jewish written sources that you can find were written many centuries after some earliest christian manuscripts. except for the dead sea scrolls dated more than 200 years before christ.

even among the jews, they disagree with each other. some prefer the masoretic texts. others prefer the septuagint texts, the work translated by 70 rabbis into greek.

so, it's quite unfair to generalize that all jews will agree with you when they too have many fractions.
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Since Christianity is just a diluted version of Judaism and a spinoff for the lower gentiles, it lacks details and depth towards the real understanding of of Elohim.

It doesn't just stopped with the Dead Sea Scrolls, many teachings in the Christian Bible is are not as detailed as the Torah.

You instill guilt on others telling them they are sinned from birth and Christ is the only way to salvation, believe it or else you're destined for hell.

Once a victim initiated into your cult, you whack him/her with all sorts of nonsense teachings preparing them into becoming sheeps for slaughters through brainwashing guilt after guilt.

Why I say that Judaism is even more humane, logical and understanding than Christianity?

They even accept that all atheist are not God-less and what it means to believe.
Not just blanketing everyone who doesn't accept Christ is condemned to hell for eternity.


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post Feb 25 2024, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(kcal @ Feb 25 2024, 02:57 PM)
i don't know what details you're talking about but why do you need so much details if some of them will be irrelevant in the future? the original in christianity i think is about the tendency to sin.

regarding judaism teaching is more humane, logical and understanding is up to one's interpretation. i think christians do not have issues with judaism. why should we care?
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The Jewish sages would not tell you gentiles everything they know.

Would you tell everything to your enemies and non relevant parties including the covenant you made with God?

That's why I said Emperor Justinian of the Roman Empire omitted and removed many scriptures and canons which were at disadvantaged to his grasp for power when he formed the Christianity faith and the church.

Why should you care? You claim to be related to someone's else legacy and ways and at the same time you don't care?

That is called selfish convenience and a manipulator.

Sorry to tell you Christianity will not appeal to people who can reason and appreciate inner peace.
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post Feb 25 2024, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(kcal @ Feb 25 2024, 03:18 PM)
now if you still think that reincarnation is a thing in judaism, how come there are jews who disagree with you?

you cannot keep on accusing emperor justinian removing scriptures when he himself did not have control over christianity spread outside his kingdom.

conspiracy theory can be used once in a while. if you keep overusing it, the theory will become stale.

lastly, please do not try to represent all audiences. i do not believe in christian god but that does not mean christianity is not appealing to me.
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Oh really? An emperor has no control over a religion founded to control his own people?

I'm still not buying the nonsense that I'd be going to hell just because I don't believe a man who doesn't even know who his father was and claim it was the doing of some unexplainable being who conceived him instead, shortlived (died in just early 30s) and the corpse remains still remains in the tomb.

Heaven must be filled with ex-criminals then, not the kind of pleasant place one could imagine.

Your last sentence there about not believing in Christian God and doesn't mean the religion doesn't appeal you reflects that you're confused and delusional.
It dissolves the purpose of wasting your time attending churches every Sunday and hints your church attendance has other purposes. Am I right? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kcal @ Feb 25 2024, 04:04 PM)
there were christians in certain parts of persia, india and ethiopia. these areas were not under the holy roman empire. before emperor justinian came into power more than one hundred years before, the christian bishops had already agreed to uphold the nicene creed. surprisingly, there's no mention of reincarnation or whatsoever in the creed that many christians need to recite until today.

you may describe the christian heaven as you like. i don't really care. i do not need to attend any church service. i am not allowed to attend also. it appeals to me because sometimes i enjoy listening to gospel songs. the preachers also do not need to preach hate against people from other religions.
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Years ago I remember speaking to a person who also said the same words like you and he enjoyed Christian gospel songs.
He was a Malay working in the govt depts.

I suppose you're not of them from the religious affairs dept behind the keyboard, are you?
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post Feb 25 2024, 07:27 PM

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Is Christianity Idolatry?



Shame Kept You a Christian –Rabbi Tovia Singer


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post Feb 25 2024, 08:41 PM

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Christianity Made in Rome?



Why Does the New Testament Adore the Roman Empire?



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The reason why I referenced Rabbis here is to proof to Christian Zionist hypocrites here who worship Israel on Sundays more than Christ himself, the true face of the Jews themselves who see Jesus as a mere child of a prostitute and a disgrace to their culture.

The hanging of Jesus on the cross is an abomination to the Jews because the was is meant to curse God and they would have nothing to do with him.
On the other hand, the Christians will carry the cross like a pride that would remind them that the savior took away their sins and would claim eligibility to heaven in their afterlife.

Why Don't Jews Want to Convert to Christianity?






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post Mar 6 2024, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Mar 6 2024, 03:01 PM)
rabbi would be the worst person to learn about Jesus

Jews are mostly still waiting for their messiah, in vain
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Why? Because they can quote the Bible/original Torah better than delusional Christians?

But you know some protestant churches today preaches Israel more than Jesus themselves.

Every Sunday they'd ask their congregation to pray for Israel's victory in the Middle East.




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post Mar 6 2024, 11:15 PM

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What's Wrong with Christianity?



Do you call God your Father?



Do you serve the King or the Prince? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 5 2024, 10:50 PM)
I am interested to know what teachings of Jesus Christ in the Gospel that is outrageous etc etc according to this rabbi. If his claims of outrageous etc etc has nothing to do with Jesus Christ or His teachings at all, but about a few women at the cross or the church or the Roman Empire anything else that is not important, well he deserved to be ignored. Waste of bandwidth aje this rabbi. However it would be interesting to know if this rabbi is ashame and rejects the real Rabbi Jesus Christ himself.
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A man cannot forgive another man's sins but in Christianity teachings they claimed Jesus's sacrifice took away all of man's sins and paid the price.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (NKJV)

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“Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their fathers; a person shall be put to death for his own sin.


Ezekiel 18:21-22 (NKJV)

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“But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. 22 None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live.


Bible clearly states that no man can die for the sins of others. But Jesus sent by God as the son of man claimed to do so. Isn't that contradicting as said by the Rabbi?


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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 7 2024, 09:27 AM)
Taking verses out of context.

Yes, every person is responsible for their own sin. However, there are also sins causes by parents giving bad example or teaching bad things to their children. Also original sin caused by our first parents:

Deut 5:9
Thou shalt not adore them, and thou shalt not serve them. For I am the Lord thy God, a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon their children unto the third and fourth generation, to them that hate me,

Ps 50:7
For behold I was conceived in iniquities; and in sins did my mother conceive me.
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So if let's say you're a convicted serial murderer or rapist sentenced to death for your crimes, can someone receive your death sentence on behalf of you and take over your criminal records? Also involving every convict out there awaiting death sentence just by his single death sentence, their sins are pardoned with a clean slate/records? This is an insane idea.

For a person who doesn't repent of his sins of course the curse will follow down his post generations to come.

The idea of Jesus alone is already a contradictory to what the Bible teaches and that is all to what Deuteronomy 24:16 meant.
He claimed to be sent down as a son of man(literally meaning he was a man walking on earth) how can his (one)sacrifice take away other men sins because no mans can take away another man's sin.

Now why didn't God just sent his son directly from the heaven instead of going through a woman's womb through labor and allowed him to be sacrificed infront of all Jews as witness that he wasn't man but God himself to save humanity. Won't that be a better narrative that will clear every one's doubt that he wasn't a prostitute's child with an untold worldly father? Isn't God almighty and could see the consequences of the future without flaws?

If every criminal or sinner can just have their sins pardoned and achieve salvation by just believing in him and receiving him into their lives then heaven will be a place filled with murderers, rapists and convicts rather than a paradise.

I wouldn't want to go to such heaven, it's much worse than the current life here on earth because you're going to meet bad hats all over for eternity. laugh.gif

The verses you quoted has nothing to do with resolving personal sin, you're just attempting to instill more guilt into people and sell the flawed idea that one man's sacrifice can clear their records. This is false hope.

The Rabbi made it very clear and logic to everyone, why go through a prince when you can directly contact the all seeing/powerful King?
Christianity only centers around the prince and that's where it falls short.

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 8 2024, 09:55 AM)
First of all, Jesus is not just man but also God.

Secondly, there was no pain of labour involved but let's leave it for another day. No it's not better just because you think it's better. His suffering shows that He is Man, His rising from the dead shows that He is also God. Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

And thirdly the verses I quoted are all from the Old Testament.

If Judaism is still valid, why was the Temple allowed to be destroyed and the sacrifices ceased?
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Anyone can also make that bold statement that he is God but he is still conceived in a womb and delivered through labor.
Don't be delusional and twist your ridiculous assumptions again, the Rabbis will pick every statement you make and ridicule you even further when you said there was no labour involved.

55 Versus That Proved Jesus Was Born In The Manger
https://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_born_in_the_manger

That makes him clearly a "MAN". No arguments there as it is obvious, he still eats, sleeps and defecate like all other man.

No man shall take the place and the sins made by another man, not even between a "Father and Son" relation.
The Bible clearly mentioned that explicitly in the same book where the Ten Commandments is found: Deuteronomy Chapter 5

Deuteronomy 24:16 (NKJV)

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“Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their fathers; a person shall be put to death for his own sin.


Jesus the Son of Man came to take away the sins of men with his sacrifice and paid the price for all sinners?

What could go wrong with the sentence?

Why do you still go through the Prince when you can directly go straight to the Almighty Father and ask for repentance and forgiveness?

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 9 2024, 10:22 PM)
Why are you still quoting that one verse out of context and ignoring others of the Old Testament?
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Do you agree now that the Bible is inconsistent and controversial when preachers like you start arguing about interpretations?

Don't just take it from me, even fellow Jewish scholar Rabbis have confirmed it by themselves. It has been continuously altered for the past 2000 years by the Romans and gullible religious men who manipulate society.






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QUOTE(kcal @ Mar 9 2024, 11:00 PM)
i don't believe in god, but i find your arguments are so absurd.
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QUOTE(kcal @ Mar 9 2024, 11:09 PM)
funny. you used to claim that you don't believe in god but you only consistently show that you're just a counter missionary proponent. i have never seen you attack other faiths especially the youngest sibling of the abrahamic faiths. why? is it because the christian dudes will not be harsh against you? or are you just a member of the youngest sibling faith? you better be gentleman enough to proclaim what you believe
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Where did I ever claimed that I don't believe in God/Creator?

Also there is no such thing as an atheist. Even the Rabbi admits it. You can't just force a certain fixed choices of religion belief on people and accuse those who don't adopt any one of them are atheist.

This is a well known accusations lebais always used against others in their religious arguments.

God is not just the God of Judaism, Buddhism, Baha'i, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Shintoism, Sikhism, Taoism.

If you're obsessed about money, it can also be your God as a form of idolatry. If scientists believe all lifeforms began with sub atomic particles than Scientology is their God. If you think the cow is sacred, then it is also your God!

The possibility of God being infinite as proven by the Rabbi.


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QUOTE(kcal @ Mar 10 2024, 03:15 PM)
i'm very confirmed that you're a counter missionary muslim. you used to say abrahamic religions are manmade. all of a sudden, you sang a different tune saying that now you're a believer of god. just declare your belief stance, so that we know how to debate you.
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You already self declared that you don't believe in God but still engage in religious threads to create arguments and label other people as "atheists".

Definitely know where you're coming from. innocent.gif
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 11 2024, 07:18 PM)
Cant believe that you guys are still responding to that bodopenyu. Don't give what is holy to dogs. Pakailah Ignore List tu.

Couple of days back, a friend of mine, a Buddhist informed me that his step sister, a Roman Catholic, kena possessed since last year during a visit to the cemetery on All Souls Day.

He is 70 plus and his family is what is known as muhibbah, with members professing all kinds of religions.

Since the possession started last year, they had taken their step sister to all kinds of medium, except a a Catholic priest, and they all lamented that it is too hard to exorcise this spirit in particular.

Immediately I brought this to the attention of the parish priest who is in-charge of that location. Hopefully they managed to bring the step sister to meet with the Catholic priest.

I don't know how other Christians operate, but Catholics must always refer to their Catholic priest first and NOT to any other mediums. The moment other mediums are involved, it becomes extremely difficult, especially when more spirits are now involved !!!

While I was informed a grave sin had been committed etc etc, and I am assuming that the step sister may not even know that it's a sin, because she was following what her adopted family was telling her.

Anyway I have great faith that this will actually turn into our Lord's favour, for once our Lord Jesus Christ exorcises out the demon(s) from this step sister, the whole family will convert to Christianity, just like many other conversions.
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Fuiyoh now you are accusing people who don't agree with you or those whom unable to counter their eye opening facts as demon "possessed" people.

If that's true then all Jewish Rabbis who disagree with Christians are demon possessed. They must be all be ex-communicated by the church and societies just because they don't agree with Christianity. Hell destined too. laugh.gif

That's how the Romans and Communists sent their oppositions to the gulag for slaughter. They're all possessed!

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 13 2024, 01:33 PM)
Update

Met up with my Buddhist friend to enquire what is the latest status regarding his step sister, since meeting up with the local priest in-charge of his location. She would have to go through the protocols.

Upon further discussion, the step sister was really pious during her younger days where she attended mass everyday.

However before the possession took place since last year All Souls Day, I was informed that she was reluctant to even to go to church before All Souls Day itself.

Even the step sister daughter was said to encouraged her mother to attend mass, even that she refused.

So question is how does a Catholic change from going to mass everyday to stop attending mass completely.

Something is not quite right in this particular situation and neither can I probe any further because I am unable to meet with his step sister, as she is currently under sleeping pills and fast asleep at this hour because they are at a loss on how to deal with the evil spirit when it comes.

So to all Christian brethren be careful. She is only 68 years old.
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68 years old? That's about the ripe age to condemn her with exorcism and recommend her to accept voluntary euthanasia for population control. thumbsup.gif

This is not from me. I don't blame why the Jews and even the Protestants call the Catholics idol worshipers.

It was not until the few recent decades that insiders came out to reveal what was hidden in the underground of the Roman Catholic world headquarters, the St Peter's Basilica is a huge Pagan Necropolis temple which the Romans built before they came up with Christianity by Emperor Justinian.

Hints of reincarnation was everywhere among the pagan gods the Romans used to worship before they invented Christianity using the idea of the Son of God to bring salvation to mankind.

In the underground pagan necropolis lies the Medusa, gods such as Pluto, Hall of Lucifer-The morning star, Egyptian God of Horus..

The Pagan Necropolis Under Vatican City





Paul the VI Audience Hall where the Pope sat in front why are there demons behind him?

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Since your name is Roman Catholic, please explain this to Jews and your fellow protestant Christian brothers. They all are dying to know the real face and origins of Christianity and how come there are so many elements linked to ancient Roman pagan religion? The Protestants broke off from the Catholic branch but they still maintained the religion's teachings. The Jews have not forgotten the Romans tore down their 2nd Holy Temple.

The Latin Sentences On The Walls of the Vatican Translated and Shock



Look at all the saint deities aren't they all idols?

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 13 2024, 07:24 PM)
Update

It is extremely important for Catholics to keep their baptism certificate, provided by the church after baptism.

Without the certificate, now the church will have to dig up the old records manually to validate that this step sister is actually a Catholic first, before proceeding unto the next step. And time is of the essence when dealing with possessive demons. To the possessed it means nothing, but it's to the possessed family members it is frightening.

It is better for Catholics to be actively participating in their church activities too, so that the Parish Priest can KNOWS WHO U ARE. I was provided picture of her NRIC and the churches parish priests dont recall such an individual. Itu yang susah. Bottom line don't be a seat warmer during mass, get involved, so that they know who is who.

I hope this lost sheep name is found in the old register, so that the church can proceed ASAP into the next stage.

To those whom have lost their baptism certificate, pi cari and if cannot find, go back to the church for a replicate copy. Jangan tunggu sampai tahi sudah mau keluar, then mau pi cari cangkul to korek here korek there la. Ini semua amenda ni ?
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Listen to what the Jews has to say about Christians. "The Godly thing for them to do is to kill all idol worshippers." shakehead.gif



Now can you put away the big cross, sir Roman Catholic abbot?




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This Pastor condemned the Roman Catholics and claimed that the Pope said there is no Hell laugh.gif

Pastor John Hagee - "There is No Hell?"



He was also the same pastor who proactively claimed In Defense of Israel and Jesus was not the Messiah.



Anything to comment Roman Catholic?

The Jews and Protestants call your faith a pagan religion with documentaries showing you a necropolis pagan temple underneath your Pope's church.
Then another pastor claiming that Jesus was not the Messiah.

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