Sorry but in Christianity there is no reincarnation.
Not recorded and neither taught by anyone in scripture, more so by God.
You have been given just this life and just this body. After you die, your spirit will meet God for judgement.
* Yes I know you don't believe in this, which is why I kindly request , let there be no argument on this.
This place is solely for Christian postings. Not religious argument.
Man was already dead ever since he ate the forbidden fruit of knowledge. Genesis 2:17
As a result, women have to continue bearing children to continue the cycle of human existence. Genesis 3:16 (NKJV)
therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. 24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life. Genesis 3:23 (NKJV)
Adam and Eve lost their immortality as a result of committing sin after eating the fruit of knowledge. For as long as human population keeps growing and women bearing child the cycle of life with suffering will never end.
I have no idea what you tagged me for, but I have been a Christian for decades, heard thousands of hours of sermons & have read the Bible from cover to cover many times. No where does the Bible mention about reincarnation. The Christians faith is linear. It's not cyclical. You only get this one life, then after that, it's the afterlife.
Regards
Nothing bout reincarnation it's about questioning how the Bible came about. I've since them in Kopitiam for you to watch.
The existence of creatures and the life of humans convince me there is God. Personally it's hard for me to accept life can materialize out of nothing or that it's origin came from space.
To me that theory sounds as bad as how atheist thinks about existence God.
That is my basic foundation thus far.
But I guess the reason why you left is because you had bad understanding of Christianity. The core theology has not been presented correctly to you.
Most people find it hard to believe because first of all their believe system at the root is wrong.
There is no wrong to believe in a Creator but when it becomes very wrong when man starts to make their own laws and religions claiming they know about the Creator more than anyone else and playing representative of God.
Who is man to tell other men that he is chosen and needs to relay God's will and wants? Does God play favoritism? What makes these religion men think that they're holier and more worthy than others to spread God's messages?
Why does God need middle men to do his will? Every nation and race has their own version of God what makes you think that yours is the true one and others are not? If you insists to impose on others your beliefs than what difference does it makes that you're sending an invitation of war to other nations and exercising your force on their part?
Anyone can compile a book(presumed to be under the guidance of the Holy Spirit) and filter out all that is disagreeable/unwanted then claim it's by God. Very convenient and cunning then relate them with governing society.
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"Since inspiration always come through a human vehicle, it is liable to be distorted by the vehicle itself for personal interests."
Jesus said, "Isn't it written in your law I have said that you are Gods?"
It was the Roman Catholics and their Rulers who compiled the Holy Bible under the "presumed" guidance of the Holy Spirit/God. Protestants broke out from the main branch.
That's your presumption. Before the bible, there was the TANAKH.
Well almost all mainstream denomination of the churches still uses the Hole Bible to preach?
Your TANAKH is still man written and subjected to human own writings/interpretations of divine "guidance" from a higher being. The same goes for all the other religions who wrote their Sutras, Bhagavad Gita etc.
Why the emphasis on just one race being chosen and rightful over the rest of other nations and races?
First of all, your posted vid is erroneous to say that the bible comes from the RCC. The Tanakh was already accepted as scriptures in the time of Jesus. 2nd error.
God chose Israel to bring forth His Messiah and plan of salvation. The plan is for the world. If He chose Msia, you would still ask the same. None of the other religions were able to demonstrate their power over life and death. Jesus resurrected from the dead to demonstrate God's power over life and death, of which men has the greatest fear and lack of knowledge of. Therefore, a DEMONSTRATION would alleviate that fear of death and the unknown after.
If the TANAKH predates the Bible then why modern day Christian denominations doesn't preach from it? Why does the Jews only keep it for themselves? They still got hidden things that cannot be revealed/unfinished writings for the gentiles?
You don't go around telling people that you're CHOSEN and all that nonsense. Other nations and races will feel insulted and challenged by such claims. God does not practice favoritism and prejudism.
now i realize whichever denomination, most important is to have a church where:
1. the pastor or priest doesn't air people's story during service 2. members who don't gossip as to pass their time 3. members asking for money to help them cause they are too poor 4. pastors who keep preaching about give 10% of your income as tithing (how many times do you need to preach that)
mostly are aunties who have too much free time and end up gossiping, and to some, church is the reason why people don't want to go to church.
I am not Catholic, but I have seen Catholics behaving much better than a Protestant.
Worst still there are some of them who will threaten you that your money belongs to God and if you don't contribute tithes bad things will befall you. Such as you'll have accidents, bad outcomes in life, lots of obstacles etc.
I shun these type of people whenever such things are brought up. Straight up blacklisted in my list of friends/contacts.
why don't you try visit kingdom city KL? their main base is in sunway pyramid convention center also there's another satellite service held in KL at Sunway Putra Hotel ballroom as well
Do you do thorough intensive research or background check on controversial Pentecostal churches which are subverted by Communists and BLMs before joining one?
Did you know who is the founder of this Kingdom City church?
Be careful girls, don't simply join churches without knowing its background.
You know the pattern of these Bharatians even in office politics and games they play in corporate cultures. The same happens in church congregations and memberships.
You should already know the modern trend today of weaponizing religion. From City Harvest to New Creation Church and now this.
Every one of them promoted multiculturalism diversity and placing a figurehead there to brainwash the people.
Their aim is to really lure "Sheeples"
This post has been edited by petpenyubobo: Jan 9 2024, 11:57 AM
Some of the other BLM based Kingdom City Churches in USA.
So they must be subverting society through seeping BLM/Communism doctrines through churches now.
For sure I'll NOT be stepping into any of such churches if their preacher is one of such kind or allow my daughters to be any near one fearing that they'll be led into a lion's den.
As always do a background check or tests the nature of the fruits of a person to discern yourself.
Like it has always been said, the devil comes to you in disguised as an angel of light.
Where did these people came from, are they involved in terrorists movements/extremists? Where did they get their funds from? Whose behind all of it? Psyop? Nations waging information religious/wars? What are they up to?
https://www.christians.eu/reincarnation-bible/ - Was Reincarnation Removed from the Bible? Many people claim that a certain council took the teaching of reincarnation out of the Bible. Although the majority cannot name the specific council, they most frequently refer to the Second Council of Constantinople (A.D. 553) and the Council of Nicaea (A.D. 325).
In reality, though, at that time there were already many manuscripts in existence spread throughout the Roman Empire, which makes it difficult to imagine how someone could have collected all the extant copies in order to have all of them “corrected”. Today there are many surviving manuscripts from the time before the councils, whose text accurately corresponds to the currently accepted text of the Bible. (See: “Selection of Ancient Manuscripts of the New Testament”)
There are also thousands of quotations of the New Testament in the writings of the Church Fathers from before the fourth century, which corroborate the reliability of the text of the Bible.
The two councils’ course of events is well documented by historians, and the records show that the subject of reincarnation was not addressed at all. Although the teaching of pre-existence (the existence of the soul before conception) was condemned by the Second Council of Constantinople (AD 553) in response to the teaching of Origen, the teaching of successive reincarnations is a separate matter and was not dealt with by the council. While many people think that Origen believed in reincarnation, he himself refutes this teaching in his commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (XIII.1): “…In this place it does not appear to me that by Elijah the soul is spoken of, lest I should fall into the dogma of transmigration1, which is foreign to the church of God, and not handed down by the Apostles, nor anywhere set forth in the Scriptures….” Several church fathers and early Christian authors confirm this opinion (e.g. Irenaeus: Against Heresies 2:33:1–2, Tertullian: Apology 48, Gregory of Nyssa: The Making of Man 28:3, etc.).
If reincarnation was really taken out of the Bible, it is not enough to assume that such passages were deleted from the Bible. The New Testament is interwoven with passages which speak about the fundamental Christian belief in Jesus’ resurrection and our own resurrection. All these passages referring to the teaching of resurrection (e.g. John 5:28–29), the last judgment (e.g. 2 Corinthians 5:10; Acts 24:15), eternal life and eternal condemnation (e.g. Matthew 25:46) would have to have been inserted, because the teaching of the last judgment clearly contradicts the idea of repeated reincarnations, through which people get a second, third (and so on) chance.
One passage in particular (Hebrews 9:27) clearly excludes the doctrine of reincarnation:
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgement.…
The oldest extant manuscript containing this clear statement is Papyrus 46, a document written in the second century AD, long before the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople. Since the Enlightenment the Bible has ceased to be the exclusive privilege of the clergy. Today’s critical Bible scholarship (e.g. archeology, textual studies) would not be at all interested in keeping silent on reincarnation if there were even a trace of this teaching in the ancient manuscripts of the Bible. Additionally, there are surely many scholars who would relish the fame resulting from such a sensation.
The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947 raised the hopes of many that evidence for the belief in reincarnation would finally be unearthed. However, the biblical manuscripts found there have been closely examined and published in English. They are now publicly available to everyone who wants to read them. They comprise the writings of a Jewish community, whose concept of the after-life corresponds to the teaching of the Old Testament that physical death is final and is the end of life on earth (e.g. 2 Samuel 12:23; 1 Kings 2:1–2; Genesis 25:8) and that the righteous will rise and be with God in eternity (e.g. Daniel 12:2–3).
Finally, we want to encourage everyone who is searching for the truth and is in any doubt regarding the authenticity of the Bible, to start reading it for yourself with an open heart. We believe and have also personally experienced that, if we are open to listen to them, the words of Jesus can touch us very deeply and can shape our life and our way of thinking.
The Dead Sea Scrolls is written by God himself or by men?
Still by men.
Anyone can write anything and claim history that pigs once could fly.
What proof does it bring even if you unearth a relic and claim it says so and so? Still a piece of paper written by men. Every powerful nation or civilization in history has their own glorious stories to tell.
Can you proof they never touch or remove irrelevant parts of the scrolls itself? No one knows and don't simply promote blind faith.
It's foolish to have an idea that God Loves you yet he tells you things he doesn't want you to do and allows you to make your own choice to go to hell.
Does your parents wish bad for you and make you take risk by making wrong decisions in their ability to see the best in their child?
Is God so useless that he needs you to fight WARS for him while he can easily control natural disasters, the universe and procreation of life/souls? Is God a racist who only favors a certain race of people among human kind and treat the others no different than animals?
Think about it. All you religious laws and blasphemies were written by men claimed to be inspired by God. None of them came DIRECTLY from GOD to the people. It's all written and archived by men themselves.
Christ taught reincarnation bideo ? 😳 Who that bodo mampus ? 🤣🤣🤣 Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Dah la cuba quote scriptures tetapi baca scriptures pun tak paham. So I asked my Parish Priest this morning about this nonsense. My PP implied if I listen to nonsense, I will be nonsense, but lucky for me, I understand what Christ teaches.
Christians who are not born again yet, must avoid this nonsense. The moment you are born again, our Lord, The Truth, Himself will let you know what is true and what is false.
How stupid must one be to even suggest Christ teaches reincarnation, when reincarnation goes against everything Christ teaches. Bodoh betul.
If reincarnation is true, then the orang putih might as well claim he is the reincarnated Jesus Christ after all he is going to teach about reincarnation no ? Orang putih I got only soalan for you. Prove to me that you are Jesus Christ with your new teaching on reincarnation. Entertain me please. The politicians don't impress me anymore, so I want to see what have you got.
Macam mana scriptures were meant to faham from beginning with ridiculous out of the world claims?
Who gets to say what is nonsense and what is not when all the feed you is to BELIEVE, take it or leave it?
Born again by accepting him as the savior simply just like that? Then all murderers, thieves, robbers, rapists can be born again simply by repenting and then accept Christ as the savior and resume their normal lives. Now that's BS.
Jesus himself hinted he saw Elijah in John the Baptist.
There's a valid reason why the Roman Emperor Justinian tried to removed all texts which relate to reincarnation so that no one would rise up to challenge his throne and claimed they were descendants of Christ who would make his Christianity population control idea.His people were committing suicides in mass because they were were troubled so if reincarnation were to be taught, it'd give them hope and disobey the emperor himself who taught that the only way to afterlife is through his funded Church.
which reincarnation texts were attempted to be removed by the emperor justinian? since they were attempts, were the attempts successful? if not, surely the verses could be found in the bible. if emperor justinian succeeded, i am sure the texts could still be retrieved because christians have more textual evidence than other literary texts in the world.
i am not a christian, but i feel that accusations thrown to the christians do not do justice to them if evidence were not given
How can it be found when they were omitted from the original compilation, burnt and destroyed? You think back then they have backup disks and cloud storage to stash copies away?
Nope, Christianity came from the Romans and Protestantism was a rebel branch which broke off from the Roman Catholics at a later stage.
The only way is to look at somewhere else which pre-dates the Romans own materials at hand. That would be the Jews which have a better idea than any other Abrahamic faiths since they were the original faith before the Christians and Muslims.
Rabbi: Why Jewish Knowledge of REINCARNATION Was Kept SECRET
I'm no one to say it's fact or not because we can agree to disagree. What you believe, I would not believe but the rabbi in question above says allow your curiosity and instinct with the combination of science allows you decide if the idea is worth believing or not.
Your Soul The refrigerator and electricity theory The Conservation of Energy Theory which is part of Continuum Mechanics
emperor justinian only came in the fourth or fifth century, but christianity was already spread in many parts of the world by then including the areas which were not under the jurisdiction of the roman empire. one example is india.
so, how do you think emperor justinian gave an edict to have all the biblical manuscripts burned in india?
Christianity was started by Roman, right? If you predate anything before that you'd have to find the answer with Judaism.
Here's a confession from a psychiatrist who was a Christian for over 30 years to a Rabbi. Listen to what he says. He can't bring himself to believe the blind faiths required by Christianity.
As you can see why Judaism always consider Christianity inferior to them. The reason as the rabbi mentioned many things are illogical and delusional for the Christians.
This post has been edited by petpenyubobo: Feb 24 2024, 10:49 PM
whether christianity was started by the romans or not is immaterial, because the issue that you brought up is the biblical texts pertaining to the supposed reincarnation dogma had been destroyed on the order of the emperor justinian as claimed by you.
so, let's focus on that. so, you've got to prove that the biblical texts outside the roman empire were destroyed as well
You still don't get it do you?
When Christianity was formed by the Romans who did they took their material from to compile their Bible? Of course it was from the Jews and their apostles.
I already gave you the answer, if you want to know if there were writings about reincarnation of course you'd refer back to the Jewish historical archives/relics to find out which predates the Romans since the Christian Bible books/canons were originally compiled from them.
The Rabbi above already gave you the answer or not if such texts about reincarnation exists?
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