For me if she initiate I will tell her we stop at kissing. But I won't jual mahal so much. If jual Mahal too much she can get fed up and move on.

I can see from your post. Flustered, doesn't want to be in same car

true. dont be cheap. jual mahal, but affordable la, within reach.

Kissing early & friendzone is not related.

Prior to the kissing, these kind of events usually will takes place first:-

1) Already sharing foods
2) Already sharing drinks
3) Already holding hand.

Friendzone is more likely the pursuer's attributes & characters falls within average / slightly above average acceptance level to the girl.

No need to follow other, go own your own pace. Nowadays, don't know it is a fortune or misfortune for thing to move so fast for the young ppl.

what social event was it and what excuse did you use to get her number?

1. New Years party

2. To give her some invesment tips. Its so cringy if i think about it 🤣

so kiss already or not ya? i am confused

Based off TS story, TS already kiss.

i managed to read between lines.

for me, after holding hands, hugs and kiss no issue la in general (or at least based on my exp 3/3). but different types of ladies may differ

Beg to differ.

Friendzone for a guy, is where the guy is highly attracted to the girl and they are in some sort of relationship but he cant touch the girl intimately. Its a pretty lousy place to be in for a guy. A girl, esp the attractive ones, like to maintain this type of relationship with guys as they continue to look for higher value man to have intimate relationship with.

Kissing is highly intimate and kissing early avoids the friendzone. The act of kissing releases hormones that make a girl syiok. And its also is a percusor to other sexual acts. Of course, you have to do it right and the girl continues to go out with you after that and the kissing acts continue.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Nov 14 2022, 11:51 AM

It is ok to have different opinion, nothing wrong.

However I would like to point out a few more doubts. Why eliminate the possibility the girl never have intention to friendzone you from the beginning? You kissed & it just so happened that she allowed it, you claimed the kissing do all the miracle? You sure the girl is telling you the truth about the kiss & the friendzone thing totally out of picture ?

My understanding, the girl friendzone the males like how the male friendzone the girls. The only different, when male friendzone the girls, it is done in ruthless manner. When girl friendzone the male, it is in more polite ways. The reason for the friendzone for both male & female is almost identical, the kiss will not do the miracle.

See his reply below. If not for the kiss, well I don't think they will be a couple.

Very likely and she has even hinted at being "not ready for relationship" during our earlier texting.

A younger and more innocent me would have just go with the flow, wait for her clear signals and hope something will happen. Older and wiser me takes the initiative and go for it. Its a bit risky but the pay-off is good.

After the 3rd date n suprise kiss, she went into a "confused" mode for about 2 weeks, before we went for our 4th date. We kissed properly on the 4th date. 😊

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Nov 16 2022, 12:01 PM

She did not reply or text you for 2 weeks during the "confused" mode?

Actually, we continued texting as normal. We didnt plan any dates because we were both busy with other things.

But she told me later that she was having a big conflict inside her at that time. She didnt want to reply to my texts but she felt addicted to it and was angry at herself for being so.

Women and their complexities huh..

Tbh, this is a very interesting topic for discussion. I'm entertained.

how did she agree for the first date? like how's the process?

ive been working on it also, a smart and pretty uni classmate, but we are doing online class... we dont text daily but when we do it's usually about group work and assignments...asked few times out already but topic kept diverted...christmas period finally agreed to have dinner at restaurant...booked a table, then a day before the dinner she told me got urgent thing with family, next time etc

now i dont know if i should still persist or take that as a rejection and move on

This post has been edited by SGSuser: Dec 28 2022, 05:42 AM

It was lame..i promised to show her how an app work over coffee and she agreed. However, we had 2 failed attempts to meet over coffee and, when we finally met, i made it up to her and changed our meeting to a proper dinner date.

Now as a couple, she also confirmed to me it was lame but she played along as she was BORED. 😆

If both are still texting, the you can try again. Give her space and dont ask her out so soon. Do your own things n occassionally update her. Its also good if you can meet other girls at this time. Your mindset amd actions must be INTERESTED but not DESPERATE.

You need to ask the girl out. Make sure you get her number and whatapp/telegram her. Make sure the question is asked via DM and not in group chst. Some people will text for a while before asking the girl out. Some people after getting her number straight ask the girl out. Different criteria for different people.

Some people offer the girl 3-5 chances to reject the date/meeting. If after 3rd or 5th attempt she refuse to come out you know she is not interested.

Some give the girl unlimited tries until she eventually agreed to come out. This is too nice. Again different criteria for different people.

For me, all the girls I talk to via whatapp all agree to come out. Even though some only make it to first meeting. 2nd or 3rd meeting tak jadi except for one currently. Girls are human, be honest and just asked.

In your case, don't wait for festival or event to get her out. Any normal day will do. Ask when is she free and schedule your time around hers. It's easier for you Vs for her to find time for you. Of course if you know when she's free, and she still don't want to come out, man up and accept she doesn't like you.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Dec 28 2022, 08:43 AM

The girls you met are from dating apps. They are looking and have liked your profile. The girl this SGSuser is going after is a classmate and from what he described hasnt given any indication of interest. The hill is steeper but is not impossible, if he makes the right moves.

But I agree on your point abt festival. Bad time to set a first date. Competition is too high. From her family n her friends. Why would she choose to spend such an important time with a barely known person instead of other more important people?

My first date with my gf was during weekday, after work. It was also impromptu on that day. We were exchanging some text during office hours n I asked her what happen to our coffee plans? She then complained how busy her life has been, working late etc. I then asked her to have dinner with me near her office that evening. Initially I got some standard excuses (dont know what time she finish work, not properly dressed) but i persisted n she finally said ok at 7 pm. Abt 8pm.we were on our first date.

Actually 2 girls I asked out are real life people. One my ex working colleague who was free only on Fridays (once a week). Asked her out and she said ok. I was thinking more of like warcg movie and lunch with with friend kind of environment. She went dress up like crazy and yeah it felt awkward throughout the date. I never get third meeting with her. Kind of good also. We disagree on some stuff and she's the social butterfly type. Every Friday there will be some uncle/aunties/friend ask her go out here and there.

Second girl was my friend from internship. Different place of working. Ask her out only to find out she's going Australia in 1 week time for good. This one was the one that got away. I had crush on her during internship and didn't man up and ask her out. Then we both move back to Klang valley and covid hits.

So both are real life people. Not dating apps girls.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Dec 28 2022, 01:20 PM