me choi.. i dun have tat problem but interest with ur sound damping u DIY? can share share? Since the starter problem solve mind to share ur sound damping.? dun waste resource ma

dont worry bro
this is like one of the most common probs faced by sagas
just go to any workshop oso they can do
30 bucks tops
no idea y proton just doesnt retrofit a relay into the production
would solve the problem that everybody knows exists

I'll get it done this weekend then. I've been having this problem for almost a year... but it's not all the time. Even if it happens, usually I'll just wait for few minutes, 'jampi' sikit    then it'll start again. So I was very reluctant to change the starter.

yeah.. got mine settled already. RM30.

Now the car starts even before I insert the key! Wahahahaha... just joking!

c
proton dumass
simple thing oso cant fix
n d sc wont admit that the car needs a relay
they'll keep blaming the starter motor n other bs like that

damn, I just noticed, the relay was wired way different than what u did. The relay was placed near to the battery, and they just messed around with few wires which were attached to the +ve batt cable. Is that ok?

The thing is i'm not sure whether this has really settled my car starter problem, or I happen to be just lucky for the past few weeks. How to be sure eh??

well...they are prolly tapping the main power directly from the battery
just check to c if they have cut your ignition key wire and connected it to your relay
and you should also see one running from the relay to the starter motor
then im guessing that one wire goes to the relay from the positive terminal of the battery and another from the negative terminal?

if thats all in place then i think should be no prob...just abit more messy lor

i'm sure they tap the power direc from battery and also wire the ignition key to the relay.. but I cant see anything running to the starter motor.

Damn where's the starter motor anyway? 

dont worry bro
this is like one of the most common probs faced by sagas
just go to any workshop oso they can do
30 bucks tops
no idea y proton just doesnt retrofit a relay into the production
would solve the problem that everybody knows exists

no offense....but the iswara thread (now v6 already) is not really that suitable for technical talk
its mostly a community thread...friends chatting together in a forum
nice guys, the lot
but if a question is asked,...it gets washed back too fast so that most ppl dont c it as the thread traffic is so high

Guys,need some help.....My car just unable to start when i turn the key. It goes clicking like mad when i turn it.
What is the problem? Thanks!

the guys are exactly right
this is a standard saga problem
bought my iswara 1.3 and less than 2 months after i got it it started getting this prob
was reli irritating
i reported it to proton and they said it was my starter motor problem
they changed it for me
i drove back...and the problem happened again the next day
then they said must leave with them "for them to trouble shoot"
and then wen i came back in the evening, they said they "found a lose connection and that they tightened it"
so i drove back...and you guessed it....the prob was not solved...still the same crap

this prob is caused by the starter motor solenoid not getting enough current to fully engage
the circuit going through your key switch cant cope

i wired the relay myself
u can get it from any accessory shop
standard 30A auto relay...mine is by bosch
the relay costs 10bucks
then get the socket plastic for like 2 bucks
its basically a plastic guide where you can fix in all your wires...they then become like a pod of wires
the brass connector are like 10 cents a piece
these are used to connect the wires to the relay and to the starter motor solenoid
u'll need 5 females (4 for relay legs, 1 for starter motor solenoid connection) and 1 male (to connect your wire to the wire coming from your key)
the stock circuit is setup so that your starter motor solenoid gets its power from the wire coming from your key

NOTE: DISCONNECT YOUR BATTERY BEFORE STARTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for those of you who are unfamiliar with the saga engine, the starter motor is located below the intake manifold
and for those of you who do not know wat an intake manifold is, i suggest you get a shop to do it for you
it should costs like rm30 onli...nothing more
so the circuit is like this:

WIRE No.1:
starter motor main cable (the thick bolted on one) connects to one of the supply legs of the relay (make a loop with your wire, that is stripped, and put the wire, then the starter motor cable and then the bolt back...in this sequence...or your wire will get damaged!)

WIRE No.2:
the other supply leg of the relay is connected to the solenoid connector (the place where you unplug the wire coming from your key...this wire has a little black plastic casing around it)

WIRE No.3:
the wire coming from your key is connected to one of the coil legs on the relay (remove the little black plastic cover by unhooking it from the metal connector) you'll have to make a short extension wire for this as the wire is too short to reach the relay if it is fixed on the firewall

WIRE No.4:
and the 2nd coil leg on the relay is earthed to a nut on car firewall

all my wire connections are insulated using sumi tube (heat shrink electrical insulater)
i hung the relay from the metal fuel line on the firewall using a cable tie
i'll take a shot of it later and upload it

this has totally absolutely 100% solved the problem
the starting issues have never happened again after i installed the relay

heres the pic as promised
the red wire goes to the starter motor main wire (the bolted one)
the green wire goes to the starter motor solenoid
the black wire on the left is earthed to the firewall
and the black wire on the right is connected to the wire coming from the ignition key

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Added on October 10, 2007, 11:47 pm
hey TS, u a cricketer?

Wow, very good DIY electrical work !

You can be a car wireman anytime. Have you considered
opening your own shop ?
If you get one of those Lucas starter relays or switches, it will last
you virtually the lifetime of your car. Really heavy duty.

I installed one in my Opel Gemini in 1983 when it first started "clicking",
and it was still going strong when I sold it in 1993. I remember
the wireman shop in Pudu charged me just $12 then.
Quie a big unit, almost the size of your fist.

The only downside is, it makes a very loud "TAK !" on starting.

Lots of Japanese, Taiwanese and Chinese copies these days.
http://sell.lulusoso.com/selling-leads/440...rter-Relay.html
http://www.silverfoxtractorspares.com/luca...b325-3198-p.asp

http://www.silverfoxtractorspares.com/ford...noid-2480-p.asp
Even used in aircraft.

http://shop1.actinicexpress.co.uk/shops/pa...hp?cat=switches

http://shop1.actinicexpress.co.uk/shops/pa...enoid_large.JPG