Problem: when turning the ignition switch, it goes click but does not turn the engine. After trying a few times (getting a click each time), it starts ok, so it's not a battery problem. It's not always like this though, sometimes it starts on the first try.

What do you think it is - something relatively easy to fix/replace?

could be the starter relay, else the starter itself

yeap... starter not moving... the clicking sound is ur ignition....

Try asking someone to tap/rock the starter with a wooden stick while you crank the engine. If the engine can start then it must be the solenoid(realy) problem.

same problem with my car pass few week. Go accessories shop, add relay for ur starter. Mean ur starter will direct to battery. Then jao solve that problem. Below RM80.

This post has been edited by singchaii: Oct 4 2007, 09:03 AM

if not the starter or relay. try to check your plug ass well.

below than RM50 also can

Can get from accessories shop? OK, will go and have a look.

can go accessories shop.

I did my Relay for RM30 only...It should be the relay, same like mine iswara last time

hmmm~ seem like a lot of saga/iswara owner got tis kind of problem
if nobody tell him, then he might get chop by acc shop
lolx

if there is click sound, there shouldnt b solenoid prob... im wondering is't the carbon brush inside the starter motor worn out adi... anyhow, if the parts inside the starter motor spoiled, i dun tink there wil b any1 willing 2 fix for u expect ask u 2 get a new/half-cut 1... add relay on ur starter motor n hv a try, if prob stil cant solve, say gd bye 2 ur current starter n get a replacement for it...
oh ya, better do those relay wiring at workshop den accs. shop, less chances 2 get chopped...

the guys are exactly right
this is a standard saga problem
bought my iswara 1.3 and less than 2 months after i got it it started getting this prob
was reli irritating
i reported it to proton and they said it was my starter motor problem
they changed it for me
i drove back...and the problem happened again the next day
then they said must leave with them "for them to trouble shoot"
and then wen i came back in the evening, they said they "found a lose connection and that they tightened it"
so i drove back...and you guessed it....the prob was not solved...still the same crap

this prob is caused by the starter motor solenoid not getting enough current to fully engage
the circuit going through your key switch cant cope

i wired the relay myself
u can get it from any accessory shop
standard 30A auto relay...mine is by bosch
the relay costs 10bucks
then get the socket plastic for like 2 bucks
its basically a plastic guide where you can fix in all your wires...they then become like a pod of wires
the brass connector are like 10 cents a piece
these are used to connect the wires to the relay and to the starter motor solenoid
u'll need 5 females (4 for relay legs, 1 for starter motor solenoid connection) and 1 male (to connect your wire to the wire coming from your key)
the stock circuit is setup so that your starter motor solenoid gets its power from the wire coming from your key



NOTE: DISCONNECT YOUR BATTERY BEFORE STARTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for those of you who are unfamiliar with the saga engine, the starter motor is located below the intake manifold
and for those of you who do not know wat an intake manifold is, i suggest you get a shop to do it for you
it should costs like rm30 onli...nothing more


so the circuit is like this:

WIRE No.1:
starter motor main cable (the thick bolted on one) connects to one of the supply legs of the relay (make a loop with your wire, that is stripped, and put the wire, then the starter motor cable and then the bolt back...in this sequence...or your wire will get damaged!)

WIRE No.2:
the other supply leg of the relay is connected to the solenoid connector (the place where you unplug the wire coming from your key...this wire has a little black plastic casing around it)

WIRE No.3:
the wire coming from your key is connected to one of the coil legs on the relay (remove the little black plastic cover by unhooking it from the metal connector) you'll have to make a short extension wire for this as the wire is too short to reach the relay if it is fixed on the firewall

WIRE No.4:
and the 2nd coil leg on the relay is earthed to a nut on car firewall

all my wire connections are insulated using sumi tube (heat shrink electrical insulater)
i hung the relay from the metal fuel line on the firewall using a cable tie
i'll take a shot of it later and upload it

this has totally absolutely 100% solved the problem
the starting issues have never happened again after i installed the relay

heres the pic as promised
the red wire goes to the starter motor main wire (the bolted one)
the green wire goes to the starter motor solenoid
the black wire on the left is earthed to the firewall
and the black wire on the right is connected to the wire coming from the ignition key

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Added on October 10, 2007, 11:47 pm


hey TS, u a cricketer?

This post has been edited by neosaint99: Oct 13 2007, 03:24 PM

damn.. i've been having this problem for few months already but quite reluctant to replace the starter as advised by the mechanic.

Maybe this relay can solve the problem, but the DIY looks scary to me. Any accessories shop can do this right?

accessories shop, maybe u can check it out
for workshop for sure they can do it for u

dont worry bro
this is like one of the most common probs faced by sagas
just go to any workshop oso they can do
30 bucks tops
no idea y proton just doesnt retrofit a relay into the production
would solve the problem that everybody knows exists

oh.. y no ppl discussed this in saga/iswara thread b4?

no offense....but the iswara thread (now v6 already) is not really that suitable for technical talk
its mostly a community thread...friends chatting together in a forum
nice guys, the lot
but if a question is asked,...it gets washed back too fast so that most ppl dont c it as the thread traffic is so high

ya u r rite too more suitable for those who keep track only... once u r leave behind then have to trace back 1 by 1 but luckily some saga/iswara shifoo come here also..

ya...leave for 1 day oso will pengsan 1 2 read all the new posts....hahaha
how long u been having the starter prob?