Looking for a reliable chiro or tit tar for treatment in PJ area..
Earlier this year I started getting knee pain on the right side and went to chiro (Insight chiropractic). After 10 or so treatments, it had gotten worse and now my left knee also ended up pain. The intensity level of the pain had gotten much more serious and I don't know if I could still trust chiro.


This post has been edited by SnowWhiteTan: Oct 14 2022, 11:00 AM

can try this

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Chow'...3;4d101.7495546

Try seeing a Dr and physio as well??

Knee is more of ligament and tendon pain usually, or worn out

i heard most people said these tit tar or chiro thingy really scam one and u keep coming back everytime

1st of all, I'm no expert so I just share experience. I have some dr friends and they all freaking hate chiro and tit tar lol ... east and west just dont mix but i fully 100% trust them ..

1st of all u need to know ur problem then only decide go chiro or tit tar... again I'm not expert so dun quote me but from my experience:

1) Chiro works like just straightening your back bone which is the most important thing. Inside have many nerves connecting to your whole body. If you feel suddenly here pain, suddenly there pain, suddenly no pain, most probably u need to look for chiro ... sit too long, drive too long, buttock pain.. here stress there stress ... look for chiro ... and chiro is need alot time ... 6-8 months .. they not magic crack 1 time terus straight already ... me and both my parents also got these kind random pains and we all go to DMCHIRO https://dmchiropractic.my/
and the pain never comes back ... i don't even remember when I last go already ... more than 5-6 years ... after few years my dad pain then bring there also ... after dad ok then mom pain bring there also ... all healed .. my mom go normal dr took MRI this that blabla say bone cracked or someshit need surgery 100k ... I'm like ..... go chiro then ok liao now no pain touch wood

2) Tit tar (again this is what i think only) is more like if u fall down .. bengkak somewhere ... blood jam somewhere ... like u need ppl to massage ... put medication on it ... those kind u go for tit tar .. for me tit tar max 2-3 visits you should be healed already else it's not good tit tar .. for this kind of cases i go to Kung Fu tit tar .. all young sifu super strong and power ... https://www.facebook.com/kungfutittar/

btw #nonsponsored lol ... just sharing la ha ... dont work for u dont come find me lol ..

This post has been edited by GymBoi: Sep 11 2022, 01:09 AM

If you need a physio, I recommend bodyfix @ ss2.

Thanks for the recommendation all.
Yeah, I went to see orthopedic before chiro but I was only prescribed with meds, the doc said nothing can be done. that's why I wanted to try chiro but the results worsened. Maybe the one I went to is inexperienced. The chiro I went to also came with physio service, I mostly did hot therapy, and rehab exercise..

What tests were conducted on you?
e.g. x-ray and mri

What was diagnosed by the orthopedic?
e.g. ligament, meniscus, tendon, muscle, bone issues

What meds were provided?
e.g. glucosamine, ibuprofen, painkillers

Did you injure yourself while working out?

Most injuries are due to overweight, extreme movements, slips and accidents.

This post has been edited by New Klang: Sep 11 2022, 10:59 AM

Depending on your age, it is most likely your tendon/ligament in your knee worn out.

For me, I take medication.

Nope only physical tests done by the orthopedic and said it's VMO muscle issue. He prescribed Piascledine.

I didn't injure myself while working out.. one day it just happened... overweight could be the reason, my BMI is 25..

I'm gen Y, not sure if really worn out so fast already..

any details? u been there before and what problems u had?

Is it muscle tear?

You should do more vmo specific workouts

I have been doing them since I am preparing to run up and down mountains

Feet issues personally, tendon and nerve issues also.

Recommended people with back and neck issues as well,

There are many fake tit tar doctor in Malaysia. He has a branch in Puchong Puteri

I went to Chris Leong and he fixed my waist pain problem in just one session.
one session is enough not 10 sessions are usually cheaters.

https://www.chrisleong.com/

He is very famous and has videos on Youtube.



This post has been edited by ericthai: Sep 11 2022, 07:38 PM

Nice. Were you treated by Chris Leong himself or his students?

May I ask, how much is a session? or vary depending on severity?

any cases people paralyzed after visiting chiro? so scary they dealing with your backbone and nerves... one wrong move you gg

Stop wasting money on these useless quack chiropractors and tit tar, go to a proper physiotherapist.

Precise Rehab or regen Physio recommended

It's possible. Because thats what I experienced somewhat, out of a sudden I have extra issues which I've never had before, and the intensity level of pain is much greater. I am so worried now that it had caused me slipped disc or sciatica. I need to go for MRI to check already.

Initially the chiropractor said I'll be fine in 6 treatments, but after 10 treatments, my condition had gotten much worse and then now only asked me to get X-rays. Meaning to say, the evaluation was wrong from the beginning.

The thing I disliked about the chiro is that they will always say not everyone will respond to the treatments the same way etc, that's why it gotten worse. I find it illogical, isn't it their responsibility to find out what are required for each patient? Do they mean that all those are just trial and error? See who will respond well?

So yeah, go at your own risk if you want.

I find dry needling is a good method.

Not every pain or issue need to use dry needling. It always depends

The patient must be willing to put in the work too after the session. Rehab is a journey, it doesn't stop after that 1 hour physio session. Continue at home every day for maximum results

I was treated by both on different occasions because I kept hurting my waist by moving huge furniture.

Chris Leong is definitely better because his students does not have his muscle strength and knowledge.

But Chris Leong charge is more expensive. If yours is a minor problem and want to save money, then his students is enough. If yours is a major problem, then request for Chris Leong.

Only one session and you can feel the difference, if you add all the 10-20 sessions by other tit-tar, it is even more expensive than Chris Leong.

Before I went to Chris Leong for treatment, I went to a Angmoh chiropractor from Canada and open his shop in Subang, after 10 sessions of treatment there was still pain. That's why all these western chiro have no real skill just a worthless paper certificate.

This is my true experience.

This post has been edited by ericthai: Sep 12 2022, 12:30 PM

I did it more than 10 years ago in Puchong. At that time, it was very cheap at rm 80 to 100.

It is the same for all severity. The difference is whether you want the student to do it or Chris Leong to do it.

Chris Leong is of course more expensive.

Well 100% guarantee have ... dr also can kill ppl ... lawyer also judge wrong ppl ... sleep also can die .. anything can happen in this world... need to make your own judgement sometimes i guess ...

how about Chris Leong's brother Erik Leong's Osteocare? Is it equally good?

I think first of you need to understand what problem are you having ?
If you are having internal knee damage, any of the treatment above- physio, chiro, acupuncture, tit tar, malay, indian medicine not gonna heal or cure the problem

In the end its just about managing it, understand the issue and know what to do and expect. If you are having a normal straightforward strain injury, seeing tit tar chiro or physio would do “miracles” you wouldn’t need to see orthopedic, but for you to see orthopedist means it has to be siginificant damage and he has nothing can be done may be referring to the internal damage.

Instead of bashing saying tit tar or physio or chiro or medicine or any treatment useless, you may say certain treatment useless first understand what problem you are having and start from there...

Get x-ray and MRI first. Get a proper diagnosis. Usually before going to chiro you should have a frontal and side of at least your spine.

I have been to numerous chiro, and like you, experienced worse pain after several sessions, or in some cases didn't feel any improvements. Until a friend recommended me this Chinese doc, and got better from then on. In all cases, my x-ray was shown, or was asked to show it so they know what are my main issues.

Be aware of your daily habits to correct then. Posture, sitting posture. Some tend to lean on wall, stand on one side of leg, due to hip imbalances and so on. It is not a one off thing for serious cases, it takes time, so be patient.

I notice one thing from my experiences, those that do the standard overall cracking your back, kegs, hands, neck, are not right for me. While it's very comfortable at first, coz it works to decompress your spine and all, it does not get to the root of the issues I was facing, hip imbalances, spine out of whack. Good luck!

i didn't bash tit tar or physio or chiro or medicine or any treatment useless, it was the Chiropractor who said my condition would be healed in 6 treatments, but in the end he made my condition from bad to worst. Initially I only had a tiny area pain in my right knee, but now he caused my left knee pain as well and both knees are in much greater pain compared to previous. If he didn't have any confidence in treating me, he could have told me right from the beginning, or during re-evaluation process. But funnily enough, after 10 treatments or so, then only he asked me to do imaging tests. This is the first time I experienced chiro, of course I believe that there are also good ones in the field. Unfortunately, I met a bad one.

I went to see orthopedic first because I didn't have to pay for it. And its good as well cos they would do physical tests on you, so you know the severity of your condition.

can share the contact/info of the Chinese doc?

Dr.Leow
+60 12-931 8897
Whatsapp him

All the three brothers learned from their father who is a tit-tar sifu so they are all good.

Chris Leong is the best because he invented new treatment himself and he went to Australia for his chiropractor degree besides what his father taught him. Most of his students do not have as much theory as Chris Leong.

If yours is not that serious, then you can go to his brother. Those who said you need to go for 6 sessions are all fake doctors, this is from my experience. A good chiro only need one session for non serious problem.


Some patients had very serious accidents (spine crooked or leg paralyzed) or have strokes, then it is better to go to Chris Leong because these are more serious and difficult to cure.

This post has been edited by ericthai: Sep 14 2022, 07:09 PM

Wow I didn't know they have a third brother. Always thought only two of them! Good family legacy and they already have their next generation to pick up the skills too.

knee pain can cause by walking pattern and wrong shoes
what kind of shoes do you wear? got any sport shoes you wear regular? how the soles wear? want to see whether ur foot is pronate or not

where is the pain? outside or inner of knee? are you able to provide photo pointing out the exact area of the pain? mentioned VMO, that means the inner thigh... no need to post actual photo of your leg/knee, just post online photos with arrow is good

what activity can bring out the pain? hiking? up stairs? down stairs?

left leg start get same problem can be caused by the right leg pain, and weaken, and the left leg takes over the weight and now start to pain

this kind of injury, recovery is slow (few months) but initial treatment will show results within 2~3 days

chris inherited his tit dar skills from his mom not dad. dad is wushu, mom tit dar, chris mastered both.
yea chris is the real deal, not as what ppl been teasing him making weird sounds when setting bones

Who told you that? In olden days, the mom only takes care of the kids and has no skills.

Wushu master usually also has tit-tar skills like Wong Fei Hung.

I saw his third brother before in OUG , I think he has a shop there but not sure.

He's also into Tit-Tar but for normal chiro problems.

For strokes, big accidents, it's better to consult Chris Leong.



This post has been edited by ericthai: Sep 15 2022, 12:54 PM

his mom treated uncountable patients with dislocations. i'm his childhood friend. i learnt hap kune do from master lawrence personally. his parents are family friend
guess u really know nothing bout his mom. btw, i nvr address him as chris.

In his website, there is a photo of his father and he stated that his father is a Kung fu and tit-ta founder. So it's not just Kung fu master but also tit-tar.

Maybe his mom learnt from his dad.

But never mind, this thread is about recommending a good tit-tar master and not about CHris Leong's personal life unless you want to marry him.

This post has been edited by ericthai: Sep 15 2022, 01:27 PM

there's no website in the early 80s for me as witness lol not hearsay like others
well, as for good recommendation, a good accreditation could be useful along the way
anyhow, just be a lil' respectful for his mom as she's not just a plain housewife who 'has no skills' ya

i usually wear sneakers... like onitsuka tiger/adidas, if i wear slippers, its birkenstock.

initially started with a tiny area pain in my right knee during deep squat.



after chiro treatments, the entire right knee cap area is pain not just squatting, even when I sit down, stand up, sometimes going up and down the stairs as well.

and chiro also caused left knee pain which is more severe now - entire knee cap area is pain especially sitting down, standing up, going up/down the stairs.
plus while squatting, the areas shown in pictures below are in more intense pain.




for the back of the knee, most of the time I feel this pain, sometimes laying down too.
before chiro, i didn't have any pain with my left knee.

thanks!

This post has been edited by SnowWhiteTan: Sep 15 2022, 02:48 PM

A clear understanding you have sir!

Disclaimer, I am no expert, and a chiro/titdar that suitable for me, may not be suitable for you.

The summary between chiro/titdar written by someone else, is quite accurate... and not forgetting acupuncture also another method.

Some practitioners are purists, some will combine different techniques. Titdar also like KungFu, got different interpretations to path of recovery one. Some believe is ok to swollen after treatment, some will think it must not swollen.

I think you may have injury caused by cold stretch. For recovery, need time, and correct procedure to speed up the recovery. understand what could have caused it, is very important. In some cases, chiro or titdar also cannot solve, and only sufficient time it takes to recover.

In fact, I think you need acupuncturist. An acupuncturist may fix your pain, and provide some lifestyle corrections to avoid it. I seen acupuncture fix limited thumb movement by massaging a pressure point on the foot. They will decide if need to poke you (with those needles), if not at all. See if this method works for you.

Based on your shoe bottom wear pattern, you may need correct footwear that provides support during walking. This knowledge can be found at running websites. Hint: Asics shoes

Speaking from recovery experience:
- when sleep, wear something like a knee brace, but not tight one... just firm enough to hold on the knee to keep warm

- avoid stretching cold muscles... always warm up first. some body takes > half an hour to properly warm up, some ppl faster. I am suspecting cold stretch injury due to deep squat without thorough warm up. Suggest spend a good 10, 20, 30 minutes warm up before doing anything like that, or go really slow next time. Correct me if I am wrong.

thanks for your sharing! appreciate it