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zuozi
post Aug 17 2022, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Aug 17 2022, 02:09 PM)
May I know if commercial property with 1st and second floor, can be modified to be stayed overnight and if it is legal?
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Basically no issue during MCO my experience staying at shop for over 2 year because afraid later announced lockdown again cannot go here and there very annoyed

Just hope there are no bistro or pub too close to your shop

Commerical shop lot area usually more break in than house need CCTV for monitoring and install the optional steel door behind the fireproof door way before has been done

Now parking problem 8am dbkl start working easily kena compound some app can be set auto pay once 8am for some reason this area they never come for over 2 year , parking spot if i wish park at the designated spot for easily monitor my vehicle through window must come down park again after 10.30pm public parking spot always full especially the place full of cafe , make sure vehicle old enough cheap enough without tinted heck too easily window break by thief

stay behind close to toilet backend usually more nosier
Than front, if staying front walking to toilet quite far , if staying front
Alot of noise from double parking horn, loud exhaust, well depends the area

I don't drive the vehicle at all weekly i need to come down and start vehicle engine for charging battery , so i need bring the spare key as well once start use spare key lock the door go up 45 minutes later come down shut the engine off

Front and back window i need tinted so at night or morning i can looking through outside without paiseh , commerical area if someone looking through the window those people will look it back so awkward 🤣

shop during renovate already have a proper staff room can cook equip with cooking hood, can watching TV can fit 2 single size mattress and so on utility and activity

Now all i need go back home take all the clothing, buy a 2 new single size mattress, bring 2 PC and so on entertainment to shop

And shop electric bill monthly sure exceed optional RM 200 or 300

So really depends your purpose staying at shop

If you don't drive at all wakeup can straight to work without driving I guess very convincing but at the end house more convenient than staying at shop

Last 2 year my working vehicle side window break once at passenger side
Downstairs fireproof wood door has been break lucky there are last defense steel door can be lock from inside with optional lock

This post has been edited by zuozi: Aug 17 2022, 03:45 PM
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post Aug 17 2022, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(zuozi @ Aug 17 2022, 03:42 PM)
Basically no issue during MCO my experience staying at shop for over 2 year because afraid later announced lockdown again cannot go here and there very annoyed

Just hope there are no bistro or pub too close to your shop

Commerical shop lot area usually more break in than house need CCTV for monitoring and install the optional steel door behind the fireproof door way before has been done

Now parking problem 8am dbkl start working easily kena compound some app can be set auto pay once 8am for some reason this area they never come for over 2 year , parking spot if i wish park at the designated spot for easily monitor my vehicle through window must come down park again after 10.30pm public parking spot always full especially the place full of cafe , make sure vehicle old enough cheap enough without tinted heck too easily window break by thief

stay behind close to toilet backend usually more nosier
Than front, if staying front walking to toilet quite far , if staying front
Alot of noise from double parking horn, loud exhaust, well depends the area

I  don't drive the vehicle at all weekly i need to come down and start vehicle engine for charging battery , so i need bring the spare key as well once start use spare key lock the door go up 45 minutes later come down shut the engine off

Front and back window i need tinted so at night or morning i can looking through outside without paiseh , commerical area if someone looking through the window those people will look it back so awkward 🤣

shop during renovate already have a proper staff room can cook equip with cooking hood, can watching TV can fit 2 single size mattress and so on utility and activity

Now all i need go back home take all the clothing, buy a 2 new single size mattress, bring 2 PC and so on entertainment to shop

And shop electric bill monthly sure exceed optional RM 200 or 300

So really depends your purpose staying at shop

If you don't drive at all wakeup can straight to work without driving I guess very convincing but at the end house more convenient than staying at shop

Last 2 year my working vehicle side window break once at passenger side
Downstairs fireproof wood door has been break lucky there are last defense steel door can be lock from inside with optional lock
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Actually this is one of the setback when you use the shop as the residential. The utility tariff will be higher not only for electricity but for water & IWK as well.
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post Aug 17 2022, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(zuozi @ Aug 17 2022, 03:42 PM)
Basically no issue during MCO my experience staying at shop for over 2 year because afraid later announced lockdown again cannot go here and there very annoyed

Just hope there are no bistro or pub too close to your shop

Commerical shop lot area usually more break in than house need CCTV for monitoring and install the optional steel door behind the fireproof door way before has been done

Now parking problem 8am dbkl start working easily kena compound some app can be set auto pay once 8am for some reason this area they never come for over 2 year , parking spot if i wish park at the designated spot for easily monitor my vehicle through window must come down park again after 10.30pm public parking spot always full especially the place full of cafe , make sure vehicle old enough cheap enough without tinted heck too easily window break by thief

stay behind close to toilet backend usually more nosier
Than front, if staying front walking to toilet quite far , if staying front
Alot of noise from double parking horn, loud exhaust, well depends the area

IĀ  don't drive the vehicle at all weekly i need to come down and start vehicle engine for charging battery , so i need bring the spare key as well once start use spare key lock the door go up 45 minutes later come down shut the engine off

Front and back window i need tinted so at night or morning i can looking through outside without paiseh , commerical area if someone looking through the window those people will look it back so awkward 🤣

shop during renovate already have a proper staff room can cook equip with cooking hood, can watching TV can fit 2 single size mattress and so on utility and activity

Now all i need go back home take all the clothing, buy a 2 new single size mattress, bring 2 PC and so on entertainment to shop

And shop electric bill monthly sure exceed optional RM 200 or 300

So really depends your purpose staying at shop

If you don't drive at all wakeup can straight to work without driving I guess very convincing but at the end house more convenient than staying at shop

Last 2 year my working vehicle side window break once at passenger side
Downstairs fireproof wood door has been break lucky there are last defense steel door can be lock from inside with optional lock
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its no problem if you stay in a commercial unit and know your boundaries.

thing is TS say got people rent commercial to stay as residential and then complain to health department that the surrounding environment is affecting that person health.

that person complaining is funny i tell you laugh.gif

This post has been edited by COOLPINK: Aug 17 2022, 03:52 PM
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post Aug 17 2022, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Aug 17 2022, 03:22 PM)
Thanks.
How much you spent for all of these?
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Spend around 5k including fee for architect and such. But that before covid around 2015.

btw others talk about electricity and water. I also went to both requesting the tariff changed.

This post has been edited by edan1979: Aug 17 2022, 03:58 PM
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post Aug 17 2022, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Aug 17 2022, 03:36 PM)
Not necessary & it don't hold water. If it is not safe for residential for such reason, it will not be safe for commercial either. Like I said previously, to use higher building requirement for lower building requirement  - no issue. To use lower building requirement for higher building requirement, it will be an issue.

Residential is less stringent when it comes to fire requirement when compare to commercial.

An example of modification from less stringent building requirement to be used as higher building requirement - to use corner lot house as taska / tadika. Original dwelling unit is less stringent, when owner want to be used it for tadika / taska purpose, the additional safety escape like staircase to external from L1 are needed.

For the shop unit to be used as residential, the existing fire escape already complied with higher requirement for residential use. Hence, there is no need further modification / enhancement needed.
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Any source to get this information as confirmed?
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post Aug 17 2022, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Aug 17 2022, 03:49 PM)
Actually this is one of the setback when you use the shop as the residential. The utility tariff will be higher not only for electricity but for water & IWK as well.
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Electricity yes

Water i guess not a thing šŸ˜‚ still below RM 60 this can just ignore hahaha

shop already use for business purposes monthly electric already RM 600 to 700 extra RM 200 to 300 if detuct from my vehicle fuel monthly also roughly RM 200 to 300 traveling back and forth so I guess roughly the same

Just the annoying part i need to come down start the vehicle weekly monthly have to sengaja drive for hour long distance for giving those rubber, absorber bearing moving around šŸ˜‚

House more convenient than shop unless i don't need the vehicle, but without vehicle also cannot staying at shop if emergency needed without vehicle also susah
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post Aug 17 2022, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Aug 17 2022, 04:02 PM)
Any source to get this information as confirmed?
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If you know how to search. Look at Uniform Building by Laws - 7th, 8th & 9th Schedule for Passive Requirement. 10th Schedule for Active requirement.

Normally Architect & Engineer will have this copy.
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post Aug 17 2022, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(COOLPINK @ Aug 17 2022, 03:51 PM)
its no problem if you stay in a commercial unit and know your boundaries.

thing is TS say got people rent commercial to stay as residential and then complain to health department that the surrounding environment is affecting that person health.

that person complaining is funny i tell you  laugh.gif
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Ahh i see during MCO my stay at shop i also never complained anything even I saw Thai moi gathering with local uncle few dozen carlsberg take to neighbor upstairs me and my wife also never complained anything after bang bang bang šŸ˜‚ all I do just crank up my speaker volume lol šŸ˜† as long after done they mabuk don't kick my vehicle door i don't bother at all šŸ˜‚

 

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