Hi everyone,

I am curious whether these additives (oil and fuel) like Seaform, Mystery Oil, Redline etc. are snake oil or there is some truth to it?

Anyone using them or any recommendations? Open for suggestions

Thanks in advance.

I do not trust oil additives/treatments because, for the silly amt of money you're spending, you would hv been better off buying the highest quality premium engine oil of the correct spec in the first place.

Plus there's no guarantee oil additives (esp those with molybdenum etc that claim to reduce friction) won't wreck your clutch & f**k up your warranty.

I don't understand additives at all. The bike (or car) is designed to use regular oil. And NEVER use car engine oil additives on a bike because the clutch uses the same oil with the engine. On that note, NEVER use car engine oil on a bike.

for gearbox, you can look for EP additives

some car engine oil have JASO MA grade, can use

There are specific ones for bikes.

Use Diesel grade engine oil (Rotella/Rimula or Uraina).. its JASO MA compliant.

still safer than those additives TS mentioned.

Abang, isn't this minyak lori, betul can put in moto enjin.....?

HDEO in motorcycles... people been using for ages

the list of additives, you also cincai tembak some brand names we also difficult to answer you
some are snake oil, some have specific function

some ppl spray water into intake manifold for decarbonize you got hear before? in some cases, water mist also can perform certain function to engine or components

majority ppl just avoid it because some do more harm than good, some are placebo

All garbage..... and I deal regularly with the oil majors...

Have to tembak... coz no idea.
The name i mentioned are the popular ones when I did a search.

HDEO is for very old moto (>10years) or new one also can.

Are all oil brands the same considering similar specs in I may ask?

see what ajaibman says and what u think leh?

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Well , we do mist our turbocharged engines to lower combustion temperatures so we can run higher boost.

In fact, my Triumph manual specifically warns AGAINST using oil additives/treatments.

that reminds me of the engine bay misting system. are you referring to the same thing?

Next oil change I am testing out HDEO

Not sure if you are referring to the same thing.

The misting could be a NOS purge valve. Or a sprayer to cool the intercooler. Both this is external so you can see the mist.

What I was referring to is water injection kit. It cools the intake charge allowing you to run either more timing or higher boost. The water injection is inside the intake so you can't see it unless you know what you are looking at.

just something I saw in an old car tuner magazine.

I guess you refer to this: Water injecction wikipedia

Good info. Thank.

i used seafoam before for my zx6rr. the bike was kindda hiccuping in a way. Put it on the gas tank and just ride it and it just gone. Beside seafaom or marvel mystery oil is a fuel stabilizer especially if u have an old gas inside it. I try make it a habit of using it for a couple of times. Never had anything wrong with my bike when i used it.

I wanted to try seafoam on my car after this. Just for shit and giggles.

just to note... there will be no HP increase or more power, just like my bike. It just made the bike smoother when i was having hiccups with it.

As for Liqui Moly octane booster.... i would say it worked on my kancil (JB DET engine). Pour that sucker and i went back to penang from kl with only a full tank. But then i realized that the price of that thing (was RM25 at that time), if i just pour a rm25 worth of petrol it'll be the same.

anyways... i just like to try all those things and all the things i've tried (seafoam, octane booster) seems to be working as it should.

This post has been edited by g3n0c1d3: Aug 18 2022, 04:55 PM

Yes all same, they have industrial specs to meet cause its a commodity. Sure they can make it "better" but that comes with extra cost which doesnt translate well to the end consumer.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/h...rcycles.318452/

Instead spending money in unknown snake oil.. another safest bet pump V-Power Racing and do italian tune up with the bike...

If they are genuinely certified to an industry standard (API SN, JASO MA2 etc), then they're basically the same in the sense that they meet the minimum requirement to protect & lube an engine that demands that particular industry standard.

But producing parity products isn't good for marketing, coz you'll only end up with generic stuff that forces you to fight on pricing alone. So what they also do is add bonus features to differentiate themselves, justify higher prices & compete better against other brands.

I guess generally, is not recommended as engine care regime.

spend on good oil, is better than spend on additive packages, which in times are discouraged by manufacturer

however, for older engines, due to fuel quality, or wear and tear, or clogging of injectors, fueling issues that may require high repair costs, it is no doubt a possible way to solve the problem. emphasis on solve, not fix.

Seafoam contains high amount of petroleum distillates and 30~50% of isopropyl alcohol, among proprietary ingredients. This product has users and naysayers. Use at own discretion to fix fueling issues - fuel filter, injector, carburetor, old fuel etc...

for other products, same cautious approach is encouraged, check for their material content, and both sides of users experiences

if a product have users complaining blown engine or causing clogged heat exchangers (some bikes uses oil coolers, not oil radiators), or other catastrophic failures, examine it more carefully.

octane boosters are products that increases fuel octane values... u need to understand fuel octane before hand, and get an idea how that specific product increases the value. simple ethanol is able to increase octane value as well.

the same fuel, with additives that raised its octane value, will burn slower. to some users, slower burning fuel means the engine feels smoother and cooler - some of the heat goes out to the exhaust

use own judgement

i got myself a can of Seaform. Added some into the FZ engine. It felt super smooth after running it around. Quieter too. Power still the same thought.

Fuel remains as it is. I can add Seaform in it but I am waiting for Redline to come in and test. Try first.

Will compare this with Shell HDEO in the next oil change. Watch many vids on it. Most seems pretty positive.

Updates: 1010 km reached and I changed to HDEO Rimula R4x 15w-40.
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Took the Effjek on her normal 50km makan angin vroom vroom ride.... engine behaving nicely. First impression smooth without Seaform (maybe still new). Maybe over thinking it but I think the clutch change seems more sharper. No sticky.

Regular change the spark plug will be more worthy, follow the owners manual and cut it to half.

Thanks for the hint.
I scheduled a change at 5000 km... every 5 oil change with check at every oil change

Rimula setting in nicely. 200km above now. Engine very smooth and clutch change is good as well.

Downside... power dropped. It takes a little bit more throttle and time to go above 100km.

My opinion... I going to finish the remaining 2 bottles for the subsequent oil change. Shell having sales, buy 2 get 1 free. Most likely will stick with it for now. Touring mode... not really going up to high speeds anyway. Besides that my old effjek might not be able to sustain so.

Thanks otai @ajaibman for the recommendation!