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TSShroomie
post Aug 9 2022, 01:49 PM, updated 4y ago

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Initially I'm reporting to a manager, and suddenly, they put my reporting line to this manager's subordinate, and they didn't tell me, they just change it in our system and all approving line change to this new person. Can they do this?

Also, there's this plan where the company will take your best employee and place them into another team, so called growth plan for this selected employee, and you have to hire new and train them, then they take your 'ready make' people. Can they do this?

And the manager keep asking you do the task that's not mine, example sales strategy, it actually should be done by the current sales director, but bcuz i have vast saless exp in my past, I'm being asked to do or keep involving me asking my input, but I'm don't apply for a sales role here. And not like they appreciate or incentives me, the other way round, I don't get any credit for it. How do I stop this (apart finding new job) ?
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post Aug 9 2022, 02:12 PM

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they can, u shall read thru your Offer Letter once again...
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post Aug 9 2022, 04:16 PM

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For the line of reporting (to whom you are reporting to), yes the company can change that. It is common for company to re-organize their structure as situation requires.

For the the individual workscope/job description in case of sales strategy, company can ask you to provide input but should not make you do the sales strategy if it is not within your scope. But this is the hard part as it is not easy to shove back to your superior about it. The best way is to discuss with your superior about it.
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post Aug 9 2022, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Shroomie @ Aug 9 2022, 02:49 PM)
Initially I'm reporting to a manager, and suddenly, they put my reporting line to this manager's subordinate, and they didn't tell me, they just change it in our system and all approving line change to this new person. Can they do this?

Also, there's this plan where the company will take your best employee and place them into another team, so called growth plan for this selected employee, and you have to hire new and train them, then they take your 'ready make' people. Can they do this?

And the manager keep asking you do the task that's not mine, example sales strategy, it actually should be done by the current sales director, but bcuz i have vast saless exp in my past, I'm being asked to do or keep involving me asking my input, but I'm don't apply for a sales role here. And not like they appreciate or incentives me, the other way round, I don't get any credit for it. How do I stop this (apart finding new job) ?
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Yes, they can because line of management can change anytime due to internal restructuring
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post Aug 9 2022, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(Shroomie @ Aug 9 2022, 01:49 PM)
Initially I'm reporting to a manager, and suddenly, they put my reporting line to this manager's subordinate, and they didn't tell me, they just change it in our system and all approving line change to this new person. Can they do this?

Also, there's this plan where the company will take your best employee and place them into another team, so called growth plan for this selected employee, and you have to hire new and train them, then they take your 'ready make' people. Can they do this?

And the manager keep asking you do the task that's not mine, example sales strategy, it actually should be done by the current sales director, but bcuz i have vast saless exp in my past, I'm being asked to do or keep involving me asking my input, but I'm don't apply for a sales role here. And not like they appreciate or incentives me, the other way round, I don't get any credit for it. How do I stop this (apart finding new job) ?
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Yes, organisational changes can be done at the discretion of the company and without the employee knowing as well. It isn't your call to make nor do you have a say in it. You can't stop it as if the person asking for your input or asking you do to tasks, is your superior, you can't really argue UNLESS you are a UNION staff which then you are covered by UNION rules which has certain job specifications.
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post Aug 9 2022, 07:30 PM

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how about u have a conversation with your manager and your HR?
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post Aug 9 2022, 07:55 PM

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Thanks everyone for the reply, understand better now what is the action I can take or probably no action can be taken.. Just to have accept it..

I have spoken to my superior, he will just turn and twist. Like for the reporting structure, he will just say oh ya, he/she will be supporting your team (though there's nothing he/she can support our team, we got nothing to do with each other). Then the other day ask again on this, the story become ya, u need to report to he/she as well. Those perform well from your team will become his/her staff, then u hire new and train again.

In other instances, my superior will just use his power and authority, nothing can be discuss, only thing I can say, is yes.

My hr can't do anything. One the new staff voice out openly his disagreement for last minute travel arrangement and ask for reschedule, get terminated

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post Aug 9 2022, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(Shroomie @ Aug 9 2022, 07:55 PM)
Thanks everyone for the reply, understand better now what is the action I can take or probably no action can be taken.. Just to have accept it..

I have spoken to my superior, he will just turn and twist. Like for the reporting structure, he will just say oh ya, he/she will be supporting your team (though there's nothing he/she can support our team, we got nothing to do with each other). Then the other day ask again on this, the story become ya, u need to report to he/she as well. Those perform well from your team will become his/her staff, then u hire new and train again.

In other instances, my superior will just use his power and authority, nothing can be discuss, only thing I can say, is yes.

My hr can't do anything. One the new staff voice out openly his disagreement for last minute travel arrangement and ask for reschedule, get terminated
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Seems like your superior has their own motives for this. If I were in your shoes, I would try to learn more and understand their motives as well as see if I can build relationships in other verticals or above my superior.
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post Aug 9 2022, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Aug 9 2022, 08:02 PM)
Seems like your superior has their own motives for this. If I were in your shoes, I would try to learn more and understand their motives as well as see if I can build relationships in other verticals or above my superior.
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The highest up is my superior's superior, and he will listen to my superior, maybe part of this as well.

There are definitely some motives behind it, which is for their own personal gain. I can only try my best to protect myself for now.
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post Aug 10 2022, 09:31 AM

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Using your exp to train then slowly phase you out? Normally if its not under your job description, you have the "right" to discuss with your co but unfortunately in Asia... susah sikit.
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post Aug 10 2022, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(digitalz @ Aug 10 2022, 09:31 AM)
Using your exp to train then slowly phase you out? Normally if its not under your job description, you have the "right" to discuss with your co but unfortunately in Asia... susah sikit.
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Yes.. Alot of us been working on task that's out of our JD, most of the time hav to handle 2 or 3 different roles at the same time, and they take their own sweet time to do hiring, and higher up throw all their responsibility to us
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QUOTE(Shroomie @ Aug 9 2022, 07:55 PM)
Thanks everyone for the reply, understand better now what is the action I can take or probably no action can be taken.. Just to have accept it..

I have spoken to my superior, he will just turn and twist. Like for the reporting structure, he will just say oh ya, he/she will be supporting your team (though there's nothing he/she can support our team, we got nothing to do with each other). Then the other day ask again on this, the story become ya, u need to report to he/she as well. Those perform well from your team will become his/her staff, then u hire new and train again.

In other instances, my superior will just use his power and authority, nothing can be discuss, only thing I can say, is yes.

My hr can't do anything. One the new staff voice out openly his disagreement for last minute travel arrangement and ask for reschedule, get terminated
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can just terminate like that. need give warning letter....
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QUOTE(Shroomie @ Aug 9 2022, 01:49 PM)
Initially I'm reporting to a manager, and suddenly, they put my reporting line to this manager's subordinate, and they didn't tell me, they just change it in our system and all approving line change to this new person. Can they do this?

Also, there's this plan where the company will take your best employee and place them into another team, so called growth plan for this selected employee, and you have to hire new and train them, then they take your 'ready make' people. Can they do this?

And the manager keep asking you do the task that's not mine, example sales strategy, it actually should be done by the current sales director, but bcuz i have vast saless exp in my past, I'm being asked to do or keep involving me asking my input, but I'm don't apply for a sales role here. And not like they appreciate or incentives me, the other way round, I don't get any credit for it. How do I stop this (apart finding new job) ?
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It happens, quite common i can say.
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