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Mai189
post Oct 27 2024, 10:25 AM

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^ The yet to be named large OPVs will replace the sentinel class. She is expected to carry a mix of lethal and non lethal systems as she focuses on maritime security first and secondly undertake other supporting roles.

Weapon systems are expected to include RSNs standard Strales Oto Melara, anti air VL Mica Ng and containarised slap on weapon systems as mission needed e.g. Blue Spear or kamikaze UAVs. Non lethal systems include LRAD, laser dazzler, etc.

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Mica missile being launched from a RSN LMV.

A possible addition could be naval laser beam weapons that can damage aircraft or ships like naval Iron Beam (note: system has been marketed to Sg):

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post Oct 27 2024, 12:57 PM

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Asean and other foreign air assets arrived in the Phillippines on the wake of tropical storm Kristine:



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post Oct 28 2024, 12:35 PM

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RSAF F15SGs, a 4.5 Gen combat aircraft with RAAF F35As, a 5th Gen combat aircraft

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RSAF has been training hard with F35s recently. She will start receiving/flying the F35s from 2026 onwards (less than 1+ years away).

Another batch order of F35As and F35Bs are expected soon per Sg style of making procurement in batches.

The F-35 is a highly advanced fighter jet, and its sale is restricted to only a few countries.

It is also the only 5th gen jet to be tested/used in all kinds of weather conditions and battle tested.

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post Oct 28 2024, 05:44 PM

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Remember the tactical drone capture of Sinwar's last moments:



Sgs SAF has begun mass usage of Vesper tactical UAVs for its troops:


https://www.janes.com/osint-insights/defenc...urveillance-uav

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These "semsors" of course are networked with SAF's other UAVs like Veloce 15, Orbiter, Hermes, Heron, Veloce 60, etc. UAVs.

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post Oct 28 2024, 05:55 PM

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Even Sg's Police and Civil Defence (BOmba) units are seen using drones or other unmanned systems:





Or stuffs like exo skeleton suits:



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post Oct 28 2024, 06:05 PM

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SGs SAF has also deployed exo skeleton suits for its soldiers:



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These should be based on the Mawasi exo skeleton suits (as was tested by SAF some time ago):





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post Oct 29 2024, 10:02 AM

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Sg is also deploying its latest Unmanned Surface Vessel (RSN is already using several types) which is the largest to date at 17.5 to 18 metres long and can be configured for a variety of roles including anti ship or anti submarine. USGs of this type are also expected to be embarked from RSNs MRCV destroyers/heavy frigates and possibly RSNs OPVs and JSSM LHA/LHD.

The other unmanned system to note that Sg is deploying is the much larger cousin to the tactical Veloce 15 VTOL UAV - the MALE Veloce 60. These VTOL UAVs will be operated from RSN ships.

The electrically powered Veloce 15 has a maximum take-off weight of 17 kilogrammes, and it is destined for the army. The petrol-engined Veloce 60, weighing up to 80kg, is ideal for naval missions with its 12-14-hour endurance.



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post Oct 31 2024, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Oct 29 2024, 10:02 AM)
Sg is also deploying its latest Unmanned Surface Vessel (RSN is already using several types) which is the largest to date at 17.5 to 18 metres long and can be configured for a variety of roles including anti ship or anti submarine. USGs of this type are also expected to be embarked from RSNs MRCV destroyers/heavy frigates and possibly RSNs OPVs and JSSM LHA/LHD.

The other unmanned system to note that Sg is deploying is the much larger cousin to the tactical Veloce 15 VTOL UAV - the MALE Veloce 60. These VTOL UAVs will be operated from RSN ships.

The electrically powered Veloce 15 has a maximum take-off weight of 17 kilogrammes, and it is destined for the army. The petrol-engined Veloce 60, weighing up to 80kg, is ideal for naval missions with its 12-14-hour endurance.


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Why these unmanned systems are considered game changers is because they allow the ship to see further and persecute targets at longer ranges so you are able to maximise the use of long range weapons.Note: these systems will be operated from Sg itself and will/can carry weapons.

Radars on land and sea are typically limited by the horizon circa 70km to 80+km at typical ground/sea-level when perched high on a large ship (smaller ships have even shorter ranges to the horizion):

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No point of getting a long legged weapon but you can only use them to say <60-70km (it will be harder to detect stealthy ahips). So naval ships often depend on info feeds from MPAs or ship borne helicopters, air assets with multi mode/maritime function radars and other ships. But the MPA will not be around all the time and the endurance of ship borne helicopters is about <3hrs depending on loadout. Further, MPAs, naval helicopters, etc. are likely to be annihilated first in a naval conflict esp. against an enemy with superior and/or overwhelming air and naval assets in order to blind adversaries.



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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Oct 25 2024, 12:42 PM)


Thats not just a new kneel but an entire module.

Beam of 20m? Goodness it is really around 10000 tons at full load.

^ A demonstration of the speed/efficiency and precision of Sgs ST Eng next generation shipyard:


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post Nov 1 2024, 12:22 PM

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From the photos, you can see the beam of the ship is >20 metres. I think it is about 22 to 23 metres. Displacement is a function of beam and length. According to NavalNews (from thier own checks with Saab and industry sources), the MRCV has a displacement between 8000+ tons to 10000+ tons (10000+ tons - possibly full-load displacement).

Lets compare to other similar ships:

Arleigh Burke Flight 1/2 beam: 20 metres. Displacement: 8000+ tons
Arleigh Burke Flight 3 destroyer beam: 20 metres. Displacement: 9700 tons.

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Chinese Type 055 destroyer beam:20 metres. Displacement: 10000 to 11000 tons.

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Oct 31 2024, 11:08 AM)




Why these unmanned systems are considered game changers is because they allow the ship to see/scan further and persecute targets at longer ranges so you are able to maximise the use of long range weapons.Note: these systems will be operated from Sg itself and will/can carry weapons.

Radars on land and sea are typically limited by the horizon circa 70km to 80+km at typical ground/sea-level when perched high on a large ship (smaller ships have even shorter ranges to the horizion):

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No point of getting a long legged weapon but you can only use them to say <60-70km (it will be harder to detect stealthy ahips). So naval ships often depend on info feeds from MPAs or ship borne helicopters, air assets with multi mode/maritime function radars and other ships. But the MPA  will not be around all the time and the endurance of ship borne helicopters is about <3hrs depending on loadout.  Further, MPAs, naval helicopters, etc. are likely to be annihilated first in a naval conflict esp. against an enemy with superior and/or overwhelming air and naval assets in order to blind adversaries.


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The miniaturization of sensors has allowed such systems to be carried by MALE and compact UAVs.

Example of maritime radar carried by a UAS.

https://youtu.be/XYM5BRosoXI?si=RDb8dX0dF6NRsZwX

Got to 1.51^

The Veloce 60, a male UAV, is much larger than the Orbiter 4 (a compact UAV) and can carry larger payloads (including weapons). Note: Veloce 60 has endurance between 12hrs to 14 hrs. Thats a full time "loyal wingman/men aka maritime patrol aircraft" companion. RSNs MRCVs, LMVs, OPVs, Formidable frigates and incoming JSSMs LHAs/LHDs can carry a number of these UAVs and deploy several at once. They are also expected to embark UUVs and USVs (story for another time).

By the way SG has Orbiter 4:

https://www.flightglobal.com/military-uavs/.../147768.article



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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Oct 7 2024, 05:23 PM)



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Internet chatter says likely this one^

Got to say that green paint below looks like SGs SAF green/grey standard camo. tongue.gif

Anyway, it is a heck of a great next generation precision howitzer! (>42km with standard ST Engineering ER 155mm rounds, 50km with Excalibur 155mm rounds, and 60+km with 155mm VLAP rounds) thumbup.gif :



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Stumbled upon this beautiful video - watch it at higher resolutions. Listen to the good commentary too.



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F15sgs and f16Vs^

2026 onwards RSAF may send F15Sgs and f35s for Red Flag.
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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Nov 3 2024, 01:22 PM)
Another vessel bites the fire dust.
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2024/11/...ri-catches-fire

Shhh....MMEA vessel catches fire at dock.
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Mindset prevalent in government. It will take decades (if ever) to fix. It took decades to fester.
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post Nov 3 2024, 05:59 PM

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Latest SMASH 2000L(3000)sharpshooter optics

Sg troops has been testing/uses (presumably being deployed) SMASH:

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarf...control-system/

Read interview on Smash and how it turns soldiers into sharpshooters against other enemy soldiers and UAVS:

https://www.ynetnews.com/business/article/hkpuon4pp

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SMASH is already integrated with the next generation SAR 21 rifle Sg may introduce to replace the current SAR 21 assault rifle :

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https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarf...service-weapon/

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Good to use with Sgs game changing and revolutionary wall/vehicle penetrating grenade with 300m range launchable from grenade launcher equipped rifles - a more compact RPG anyone wink.gif ?

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The 40mm Low Velocity Wall Penetrator is the world’s first revolutionary, rocket-assisted 40mm projectile that can penetrate through walls and explode. Activated by an electronic fuse, the rocket motor will ignite upon launch from a standard hand-held 40mm low-velocity side-swivel grenade launcher. The rocket motor's thrust enables the rounds to break through walls. Additionally, a shock sensor is incorporated to detect wall collisions, triggering the activation of the main charge once a reasonable amount of time has passed.


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First the RMN boat sinking; then the cadet ostensible ragging incident; then this. Many others.

Embarassing.

It seems that the best of Msians are shunning government and uniform services.

Hopefully things change.

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post Nov 17 2024, 06:07 PM

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Sg's "Invincible" Type 218SG class submarines to incorporate newer Sub technologies in the near future (as these technologies mature)



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The PA will focus on co-developing next-generation battery technologies for maritime platforms, crucial for enhancing the efficiency and sustainability of underwater vessels. Additionally, it will facilitate expert dialogues in additive manufacturing to improve the production and maintenance of submarine components, underwater platforms, and other related technologies.


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“The similarities in our submarines, U212A & U218SG, allow us to mutually benefit from each other’s experiences,” said Rear Adm. Czerwinski, highlighting the potential for practical advancements through a Programme Arrangement (PA) with BAAINBw.


https://defence-industry.eu/singapore-partn...yt9dwc7PU_OYBhA

https://www.dsta.gov.sg/docs/default-source...vrsn=a0faac11_1

Note 1: The Type 218SG submarines are currently using the one of the most or most advanced, quiet and powerful conventional AIP tech i.e. MTU 12V4000U83 submarine engine in order not just to power the submarine but UUVs on board. Please see: https://www.asianmilitaryreview.com/2017/10...harging-engine/

Note 2: The Type218SG submarines were built at the outset with expansion and upgrades or updates in mind as sub tech evolves rather fast. These updates or upgrades to the Type 218sg submarines are expected to be done in Singapore. This ensures that the Type 218Sg submarines remain at the forefront of the latest underwater capabilities.

Note 3: Sg is taking a cautious approach to lithium batteries i.e. it does not want to be the first in case of an underwater incident. Germany has one lithium battery equipped Type 212a submarine currently undergoing testing. Sg is waiting to see the technology mature and then retrofit them into the Type 218Sg submarines.

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Potential problems with lithium-ion batteries include the fact they can be prone to combusting, generating a lot of heat, plus toxic fumes and conductive dust, all of which raise the risk of potentially deadly fires and other accidents.


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Germany's Type 212a submarine (Sg's Type 218Sg submarines are about 47% bigger compared to the German ones).

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post Nov 17 2024, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Nov 15 2024, 03:23 PM)
Besides showing off.. why on earth would Indonesia be looking at operating destroyers.
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And why on earth would u operate Turkish, European, US, Chinese, South Korean, Russian, etc (edit: i forgot there was those Japanese frigates they were interested in too) major equipment at once?

Treat all Indo news on potential procurement with a pinch of salt until you see it in the flesh. You will hear more of they want to buy this or that. Many of such "news" have been just "news" for years.

And the trick is not "contracts" but "effective contract" i.e. they actually found loans to activate it. And the loans may not be complete so they may not get the numbers and/or subsystems they want.

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Nov 17 2024, 07:27 PM)
And why on earth would u operate Turkish, European, US, Chinese, South Korean and Russian major equipment at once?

Treat all Indo news with a pinch of salt until you see it in the flesh. You will hear more of they want to buy this or that. Many of such "news" have been just "news".

And the trick is not "contracts" but "effective contract" i.e. they actually found loans to activate it. And the loans may not be complete so they may not get the numbers and/or subsystems they want.
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If you look at Natuna, the contestation between China and Indonesia is not looking good:




Due to the lack of available ships to sail, Indo was forced to deploy one of her oilers.

If you read online, there seems to be some sort of arrangement between Sg (for Sg to project her forces which are largely located at one area at the tip of the Malay peninsula as opposed to Indo's which are spread out) and Indo in case the shit hits the fan at Natuna.

Historically, the military partnership between Sg and Indo ensured security in ASEAN.

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