Sg bought 5 Challenger submarines in total.
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Singapore retires last 2 Challenger class submarines. Sgs submarine fleet will now consist of 4 + 1 (reported but not confirmed or denied by Sg) Type 218Sg Invincible class AIP submarines and 2 Archer class AIP submarines.6 to 7 in total.
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Nov 27 2024, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Nov 26 2024, 02:12 PM) don't think there is a +1 sub. There is no need since they can still use the Challenger as training subs (no need to commission to do that). We will see.The challengers are really the oldest ships in the sinkie fleet. After this, only the Victory class & Bedoks class are "old" @ 30-36 years each but the MCMV roles already assumed by the LMVs so there is unlikely to be a 1-1 replacement. The replacement for the Victory class already in production (MRCV). It might surprise people to know that the sinkie fleet is as large or larger than the UK Royal Navy in terms of numbers today (excepting the 2 CVs & 4 SSBNs). If the sinkies build the JMMS as CVLs, then they will also match another factor. RN has dropped to only 6 DDGs & 8 FFGs of which they have difficulty manning the fleet and keeping these operational. This especially as the UK defense budget is more than 5x that of sinkie. The MCMVs role has not been replaced by the LMVs. The Venus anti mine USVs are not embarked from the LMVs. Rather, a proper mothership will be required. We will see. Given the rate and size proportion of RSN new ships. I am game for anything. David (now with ST Eng) shared that the JMMS need proper ring of escorts so it is telling on what kind of ship shell be. Heard 2 of such ships at least. UK may have other expenses which bleeds the budget. Sgs official military budget was circa USD $15.1 billion on Yr 2024. Like all things, however, what is the context? Would you need to add Sgs military budget + DSTAs budget + DSOs budget + ST Engineerings (owed by Temasek which is owed by Sg govt)? Speaking of Sgs military budget, it is expected 2 rise 2 USD $16-17 billion for 2025. This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 14 2024, 11:57 PM |
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Nov 27 2024, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Nov 27 2024, 03:27 PM) https://www.nas.gov.sg/archivesonline/data/...20150703003.pdf Yes. That is what i mean.sinkie well known to pack a lot of capabilities into every hull. LMV no exception. Add an S70 that has a secondary mine-hunting role. In terms of USV, LMV won't sport venus sized USVs (that will be the new MRCVs). Instead its more like Meredith/Mercury minehunting AUVs (see write up below). https://www.stengg.com/en/defence/sea/unman...le-mercury-auv/ https://www.stengg.com/getmedia/6f265a6f-96...tsheet?ext=.pdf Not sure which David you are referring to but the concept of escort is passe. A CVE is a vessel to escort other vessels, not just a vessel to be escorted. But again, if one looks at numbers, sinkie navy will have more fleet escorts than the UK RN CVs. The LMVs are a jack of all trades with variety of deployable modules e.g. anti -sub, anti surface, constabulary patrols, etc. They are not bona fide anti mine ships. As Sg has moved 2 using USVs for anti mine operations, there would be a naturally need for anti mine USV mothership akin to the City class MCMV motherships to keep up with the rest of RSNs flotillas. I think it is not surprising that ST Eng is in the City class program now to outfit the Belgian and Dutch navies with these remote anti mine systems. As for the JMMS escorts, i meant it as plainly as i can. It js a hjgh value asset that requires escort protection air, sea and underwater as far as doable. What im keen 2 know more is if the JMMS will be purely LHA/CVL type or LHD. |
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QUOTE(issac99289928 @ Nov 27 2024, 02:58 PM) Former US Marine Corps captain Dan Grazier has watched the development of the F-35 program for almost two decades in his role as a Military Fellow for US Defence spending watchdog, the Project on Government Oversight. Grazier is a former tank commander...He says the jet has failed to deliver on promised capabilities. “The F-35 program right now is certainly a program in trouble," Mr Grazier said. “The last acting Secretary of Defence under the Trump administration, in a kind of parting shot in his final week … he essentially called the F-35 a piece of shit. “The F-35 is not ready for war… I would absolutely call the F-35 a lemon.” https://federal.governmentcareer.com.au/arc...issues-continue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_C._Miller |
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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Nov 19 2024, 11:31 AM) Singapore and Germany are signing a strategic partnership agreement ![]() A key plank of the partnership is defence collaboration. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/g...olz-mfa-4754506 Possible equipment involved could include upgrade of the leo2sg to the leo2A8 standard (note: Sgs old Amx 13 tanks were upgraded at least twice), development and purchase of a future Panther MBT, Type 212cd submarines (Type 219Sg ![]() Panther KF51 MBT ![]() Type 212CD submarine ![]() Leopard 2A8 MBT |
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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Dec 14 2024, 06:21 PM) ![]() ^ Type 218Sg submarines. Sg retires 2 submarines and she goes on to buy 2 new ones. So Sg will have 6 Type 218Sg Invincible class + 2 Archer class submarines going into the 2030s. To note: 1) The 5th and 6th Type 218Sg submarines will have the latest German submarine tech to date. For e.g. Germany has successfully trialed new lithion ion batteries on an older Type 212a submarine (RSN will of course assess if this makes any positive difference as the Type 218Sgs are already using powerful and advance AIP engines) : https://thedefensepost.com/2024/10/17/thyss...ery-german-sub/ 2) Thanks to Sgs DSTA, the Type 218Sg submarines are modular and built with upgrades and expansion in mind. For e.g. the technologies installed on the 3th and 4th Type 218Sg submarines were retrofitted into the 1st and 2nd Type 218Sg submarines. Hence, the technologies on the 5th and 6th Type 218sg submarines will be retrofitted on the earlier 4 Type 218Sg submarines. See my previous post: https://defence-industry.eu/singapore-partn...yt9dwc7PU_OYBhA This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 15 2024, 12:07 AM |
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Kazakhstan gets St Eng Terrex IFVs
QUOTE ST Engineering marked a new milestone in its International Defence business with a strategic agreement with Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering (KPE). ST Engineering will collaborate with KPE to set up in-country production capability for a new 8×8 amphibious multi-purpose armoured vehicle. This includes engineering and technical support for the design and production of the vehicle, based on ST Engineering’s field-tested Terrex Infantry Fighting Vehicle, capable of operating effectively in open water conditions. https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/st-e...-in-kazakhstan/ This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 15 2024, 12:16 AM |
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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Dec 14 2024, 06:23 PM) ![]() ^ Type 218Sg submarines. Sg retires 2 submarines and she goes on to buy 2 new ones. So Sg will have 6 Type 218Sg Invincible class + 2 Archer class submarines going into the 2030s. To note: 1) The 5th and 6th Type 218Sg submarines will have the latest German submarine tech to date. For e.g. Germany has successfully trialed new lithion ion batteries on an older Type 212a submarine (RSN will of course assess if this makes any positive difference as the Type 218Sgs are already using powerful and advance AIP engines) : https://thedefensepost.com/2024/10/17/thyss...ery-german-sub/ 2) Thanks to Sgs DSTA, the Type 218Sg submarines are modular and built with upgrades and expansion in mind. For e.g. the technologies installed on the 3th and 4th Type 218Sg submarines were retrofitted into the 1st and 2nd Type 218Sg submarines. Hence, the technologies on the 5th and 6th Type 218sg submarines will be retrofitted on the earlier 4 Type 218Sg submarines. See my previous post: https://defence-industry.eu/singapore-partn...yt9dwc7PU_OYBhA ![]() The German navy is integrating its current Type 212 submarines with new Poseidon P8 MPAs: ![]() SG will be watching this development closely as SG has already shared that the current Fokker 50 MPAs will be replaced... This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 20 2024, 07:17 PM |
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12th Edition of Joint Military Training between RSAF and Indian Air Force
QUOTE The Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) and the Indian Air Force (IAF) conducted the 12th edition of the Joint Military Training (JMT) at Kalaikunda Air Force Station, India, from 21 October to 6 December 2024. The JMT serves as a platform for aircrew and ground crew from both air forces to hone their operational skills and strengthen defence relations through joint high-end training, including in air combat. The bilateral phase, which was held from 13 to 22 November 2024, aimed to enhance defence cooperation between the two air forces. The RSAF participated with eight F-15SGs, eight F-16s, one G550 Airborne Early Warning aircraft, and over 300 personnel. They trained alongside the IAF’s Rafale and Su-30 MKI. Highlighting the significance of the RSAF’s participation in this year’s JMT, the RSAF’s Exercise Air Director, Colonel Jonavan Ang said, “The RSAF is participating in Joint Military Training 2024 with the inaugural participation of our F-15SG fighter aircraft. The RSAF values the opportunity to train alongside our counterparts from India and the friendship built amongst the exercise participants, which underscores the strong and long-standing defence relations between Singapore and India.” Established in 2008, the JMT has been conducted under the ambit of the Air Force Bilateral Agreement, signed in 2007 and renewed in 2023. Beyond the JMT, both air forces also interact regularly through visits, cross-attendance of courses, and other professional exchanges. At the recent 6th India-Singapore Defence Ministers’ Dialogue in New Delhi on 22 October 2024, Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen and Defence Minister of India Rajnath Singh reaffirmed the excellent bilateral defence ties between both countries. Source: SGs MOD ![]() ^ RSAF 4.5 gen F15SG and F16V combat jets involved in the exercise (note: RSAF is the only South East Asian airforce that is wholly 4.5th gen and now inducting F35s, a 5th gen combat aircraft.) Interesting to note that an RSAF AEW & C plane or commonly know as AWACs is involved too. All 3 RSAF aircraft types have various highly competent/significant electronic surveillance and warfare capabilities. This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 15 2024, 02:35 PM |
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![]() Israeli navy advance Dolphin 2 class submarine. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/0...could-have-vls/ RSNs Type 218Sg Invincible class submarines is a larger and an even more advance evolution over the Dolphin 2 class submarine. The latest TKMS submarine is now the Type212CD. This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 17 2024, 12:41 PM |
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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Dec 18 2024, 10:22 AM) These kind of sales presentations are regularly held with countries around the world by defence companies.Whether it results in an official Request for Info, approval by regulatory authorities, Loi, loa, etc. is a totally differenr process. This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 18 2024, 03:00 PM |
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Repated post.
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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Dec 22 2024, 11:45 AM) It should be this as Sgs RSN uses the Safran NGDS:![]() ![]() https://www.edrmagazine.eu/safran-unveils-n...ill-combination QUOTE The new MOU will focus on enhancing the capabilities of a weapon control system to address emerging and asymmetric threats. It includes exploring the development of a decision support tool to quicken the engagement response time, as well as tapping on smart ammunition technology to maximise system effectiveness against such threats. QUOTE “Having exploited the flexibility and robustness of the NGDS design, which is capable to accommodate a variety of countermeasures of different calibres and firing (rocket and mortar) solutions, we have been looking back to the experience we acquired with TETRAL and SADRAL products with MBDA to develop a solution that can be offered in a short timeframe to our existing customers as an upgrade of current NGDS, or as a new product capable to combine both hard-kill and soft-kill systems,” the Safran representative said. This without the need of adding new weapon systems on already crowded ship superstructures. This will allow RSN to install Mistral 3 missiles on the NGDS decoy rocket launchers as a hard kill solution against inexpensive assymetric threats. Alternatively the Mistral 3 missiles can be attached to the 25/30mm CIWS systems on RSN ships. This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 22 2024, 12:10 PM |
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^ An expected development against new assymetric threats air e.g. cheap unsophisticated UAS and USVs as Sg would want 2 reserve their Vl mica ngs and Aster missiles against more hi tech threats.
It also means a new layer to ship surface and air defence/offense for RSN warships. Anti air defence/offence for 6 MRCV destroyers and 6 mid life upgraded Formidable class frigates: Aster 30 Blk 1 NT ->150km, VL Mica Ng - 40km and now Mistral 3 - 8 km range ring missiles All other RSN ships for anti-air defence/offense - Vl Mica Ng - 40km and Mistral 3 - 8km range ring missiles. Secondary anti Surface capability of Mistral 3 missile - 8km against surface targets. ^ + electronic warfare (EW) of course. ![]() This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 22 2024, 01:25 PM |
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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Dec 22 2024, 11:52 AM) It should be this as Sgs RSN uses the Safran NGDS: ![]() ![]() https://www.edrmagazine.eu/safran-unveils-n...ill-combination This will allow RSN to install Mistral 3 missiles on the NGDS decoy rocket launchers as a hard kill solution against inexpensive assymetric threats. Alternatively the Mistral 3 missiles can be attached to the 25/30mm CIWS systems on RSN ships. QUOTE The new modification consists in fitting four Mistral 3 short-range surface to air missiles on each side of the NGDS launcher, meaning a single NGDS can deploy a up to 8 ready-to-fire missiles. So-called “first rank” vessels of the French Navy are typically fitted with two NGDS launchers: With this upgrade, Safran (and MBDA) could provide the Marine Nationale (and existing users of the NGDS such as the Republic of Singapore Navy) with a rather simple solution to adopt RAM-like CIWS or point-defense missile systems (PDMS) consisting in a total of 16 missiles. The Mistral 3 missile has an operational range of up to 8 Km (but has demonstrated an interception of a UAV at a range of 12 Km during a test campaign in Spain). It is able to intercept sea-skimming anti-ship missiles as well as surface targets such as FIAC and USV. https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/eurona...stral-missiles/ This new system is comparable to the USN RAM except that Safran has integrated the Mistral 3 missiles with the NGDS rocket propelled decoy launcher (usually 2 to 4 NGDS launchers per ship so 16 (8 Mistral 3 missiles per launcher) to 32 ready to fire Mistral 3 missiles excluding ready to fire rocket propelled decoys) which saves deck space: ![]() Formidable frigate front NGDS launchers (left and right): ![]() Sgs DSTA will redesign the stealthy cupola if required to cover the added Mistal 3 missiles. This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 22 2024, 07:13 PM |
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Germany authorizes funding of submarine launched multi purpose anti air IDAS missile for German made submarines.
This is a significant development as it will allow submarines like the U212, U218Sg (or Type 218Sg), U214, etc. to shoot down anti submarine helicopters or MPAs ( esp. when they swoop down to use MAD and/or launch sonar bouys). In fact, it imay be the submarine that hunts these aircraft esp. if it detects the aircrafts first. This development was protracted and it is only now that the German government gave approval. ![]() ![]() QUOTE IDAS system is the world's first missile which gives submarines the capability to engage air threats whilst submerged, and the first tube-launched missile that does not emerge in a capsule, but is fired directly from the torpedo tubes https://www.zona-militar.com/en/2024/12/19/...2cd-submarines/ IDAS has range in excess of 15km (up to 40km) and has a secondary anti surface capability. It can sink small vessels (corvette class) , strike land vehicles and buildings. It can also seriously damage larger ship systems i.e. mission kill. 4 missiles can be fitted into a 533mm torpedo tube from a single tube magazine. This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 24 2024, 09:28 AM |
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