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marfccy
post Jun 15 2022, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Jun 15 2022, 10:35 AM)
They're firing from within friendly territory now, not occupied territory being constantly harassed by enemy forces

That also, the 50,000 figure is probably a 1 day surge effort

But it sure makes good copy for retards like WaPo rolleyes.gif
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i still call sus on this, their effective range are 40-50km only assuming its the reported "Peony" system.

thats still deep into "friendly territory" or counter barrage. to have time to park and unload that amount of shells isnt ez

sounds more like usual media misinformation on both russia failure in logistics and exaggerated claims of shelling
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Jun 15 2022, 10:03 AM)
SG upgrades Bionix 1 IFV to Bionix 1+ standard.

With new muzzle brake on the 25mm autocannon, improved fire control with laser range finder and BMS

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Theres a bionix 2 with 30mm cannon 2:

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post Jun 15 2022, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Jun 15 2022, 10:44 AM)
Hey..this thread is still here!

Edit: ok new one.
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Ill update more in 3rd ir 4th quarter of the year. Havent got the time 2 read up with all crazy stuffs on my plate at work.
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post Jun 15 2022, 10:51 AM

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Right now, Malaysia has just 28 pieces of G5 155mm Howitzers, with 4 of them attached to PUSATRI training centre.

We have zero 155mm artilleries in Sabah and Sarawak.

The quickest, easiest and cheapest way to stand up a 155mm Regiment in East Malaysia is for us to get the 12 units of G5 howitzers retired by Qatar (replaced with PZH 2000 SPH)

To be able to form

1 regiment of 3 batteries of G5 155mm in West Malaysia (18 Howitzers)

1 regiment of 3 batteries of G5 155mm in East Malaysia (18 Howitzers)

1 training battery at PUSATRI (4 Howitzers)

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post Jun 15 2022, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Jun 15 2022, 11:17 AM)
PAF Eyes Buying More FA-50 Aircraft
https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1176606

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this is the slippery slope problem for any military choked by the bean counters

They expected the FA-50 as an cheap fighter conversion plane after having none for almost 2 decades with the intention of getting a more capable one down the line. but what happened is that the bean counter saw this as an effective solution and ordered more instead of getting an actual fighter plane like F-16 or gripen

it's like saying Wii's sexy poker as a competent replacement for an actual intercourse
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post Jun 15 2022, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jun 15 2022, 10:44 AM)
i still call sus on this, their effective range are 40-50km only assuming its the reported "Peony" system.

thats still deep into "friendly territory" or counter barrage. to have time to park and unload that amount of shells isnt ez

sounds more like usual media misinformation on both russia failure in logistics and exaggerated claims of shelling
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The Russians have formidable rail logistics, but are shitty on the road. That's why Popasna is important for them. Major railyard.
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post Jun 15 2022, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Jun 15 2022, 11:51 AM)
Right now, Malaysia has just 28 pieces of G5 155mm Howitzers, with 4 of them attached to PUSATRI training centre.

We have zero 155mm artilleries in Sabah and Sarawak.

The quickest, easiest and cheapest way to stand up a 155mm Regiment in East Malaysia is for us to get the 12 units of G5 howitzers retired by Qatar (replaced with PZH 2000 SPH)

To be able to form

1 regiment of 3 batteries of G5 155mm in West Malaysia (18 Howitzers)

1 regiment of 3 batteries of G5 155mm in East Malaysia (18 Howitzers)

1 training battery at PUSATRI (4 Howitzers)

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Kinda a waste to see FH-70 being retired. I doubt the they're used that extensively anyway as our go to artillery pieces are the oto melaras and 81mm mortar and 155mm howitzer is only brought in when both were adequate for the job (and considering our engagement history for the last 40 years, those are few and far in between)

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post Jun 15 2022, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jun 15 2022, 10:59 AM)
this is the slippery slope problem for any military choked by the bean counters

They expected the FA-50 as an cheap fighter conversion plane after having none for almost 2 decades with the intention of getting a more capable one down the line. but what happened is that the bean counter saw this as an effective solution and ordered more instead of getting an actual fighter plane like F-16 or gripen

it's like saying Wii's sexy poker as a competent replacement for an actual intercourse
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F-16 an actual fighter plane? Yes.

Gripen C? You have been fooled by SAAB bombastic advertorial claims. It is not much better than a FA-50 while costing so much more.
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jun 15 2022, 11:10 AM)
Kinda a waste to see FH-70 being retired.  I doubt the they're used that extensively anyway as our go to artillery pieces are the oto melaras and 81mm mortar and 155mm howitzer is only brought in when both were adequate for the job (and considering our engagement history for the last 40 years, those are few and far in between)
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FH-70 is a problematic system.

very low barrel life for a howitzer.

quirky loading mechanisms.

lots of parts easily damaged in normal operations.

The G5 is probably one of the best designed howitzers ever, with its modular propellant systems now copied world over.
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post Jun 15 2022, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Jun 15 2022, 12:19 PM)
F-16 an actual fighter plane? Yes.

Gripen C? You have been fooled by SAAB bombastic advertorial claims. It is not much better than a FA-50 while costing so much more.
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but it is much better than FA-50. at least right now. much better radar even tho still not AESA, could do plenty of mission, greater payload selection, etc

When FA-50 finally able to launch BVR and an actual ASM, (not just AGM-65 or those puny helicopter based ASM) sure FA-50 isn't that much worse than gripen.

Right now tho? no

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post Jun 15 2022, 12:54 PM

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KF-21 flight tests will begin next month...six prototypes will do 2,000 flight tests
https://kookbang.dema.mil.kr/newsWeb/202206...-r9dVM3YgJOiYmM


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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jun 15 2022, 11:30 AM)
but it is much better than FA-50. at least right now. much better radar even tho still not AESA, could do plenty of mission, greater payload selection, etc

When FA-50 finally able to launch BVR and an actual ASM, (not just AGM-65 or those puny helicopter based ASM) sure FA-50 isn't that much worse than gripen.

Right now tho? no
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We are paying for it aren't we? The Korean paper quotes a 43 mil dollar a jet price for our purchase of fa50.

Pinoy & indo has every right to take advantage of it.
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jun 15 2022, 10:44 AM)
i still call sus on this, their effective range are 40-50km only assuming its the reported "Peony" system.

thats still deep into "friendly territory" or counter barrage. to have time to park and unload that amount of shells isnt ez

sounds more like usual media misinformation on both russia failure in logistics and exaggerated claims of shelling
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Russian logistics fuckup is obvious although the "40 mile convoy" is a bit of a meme granted

Put it this way if they are anybody, they should in fact have taken Kyiv by now

The 50k figure like I said is probably 1 surge effort, it's the kind of glib figure that someone would throw a reporter, but who says it's sustained?
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post Jun 15 2022, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 15 2022, 02:56 PM)
We are paying for it aren't we? The Korean paper quotes a 43 mil dollar a jet price for our purchase of fa50.

Pinoy & indo has every right to take advantage of it.
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kek no. why would we pay for them. Both sniper pod and cobham ifr integration is already being done before any concrete order from malaysia came.

if they're really want to go for TUDM LCA bonanza (the af is ooking to by up to 50 airframes btw), bvr and asm integration is the least of thing they should offer us from the get go
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Germany denies the sale of MTU396 diesel engine to China Shipbuilding & Offshore International Co (CSOC), Royal Thai Navy's S26T Yuan submarine. CSOC proposes the use of China's CHD620 engine, but rejected by Thailand. Royal Thai Navy gives China firm 2 months to solve the problem
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/genera...a-firm-2-months

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post Jun 15 2022, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Jun 15 2022, 11:18 PM)
Germany denies the sale of MTU396 diesel engine to China Shipbuilding & Offshore International Co (CSOC), Royal Thai Navy's S26T Yuan submarine. CSOC proposes the use of China's CHD620 engine, but rejected by Thailand. Royal Thai Navy gives China firm 2 months to solve the problem
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/genera...a-firm-2-months

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the tongshan engine is also partly german (or at least developed from german technology) but difference is that it's based off Caterpillar civilian grade marine engine

afaik companies like yanmar oso provide comparable marine diesel engine
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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Jun 13 2022, 03:16 PM)
To sustain an operational tempo for a week, 30,240 shells are needed.
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Do we even have that much artillery shells?

/s laugh.gif

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Jun 15 2022, 02:01 PM)
The 50k figure like I said is probably 1 surge effort, it's the kind of glib figure that someone would throw a reporter, but who says it's sustained?
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I've seen that number quoted by an actual Ukrainian minister. 5,000-6,000 x 10=?




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KLthinker91
post Jun 16 2022, 03:25 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 15 2022, 10:54 PM)
I've seen that number quoted by an actual Ukrainian minister. 5,000-6,000 x 10=?


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Again: who says it's sustained?

In any case numbers like these anyone can throw around. To date the most solid figures are given by official US / Brit estimates and Oryx's pictures.
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jun 15 2022, 10:27 PM)
the tongshan engine is also partly german (or at least developed from german technology) but difference is that it's based off Caterpillar civilian grade marine engine

afaik companies like yanmar oso provide comparable marine diesel engine
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Power density of German engines are still unbeatable. For the engine size n weight, German engines has more power output. Deswai in marine applications, you'll see a lot of German engines occupy the sales chart.
Medium speed engines, Jepunis engines tops the chart, whilst for high speed high power density, German engines and Cat seems to be the CHOICE

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