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Investment KL48 @ Jalan Sungai Besi, Latest Chan Show Lin Project

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wotpian
post Aug 18 2022, 11:00 PM

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When large mix development right next to CSL mrt station start to develop, how much psf will it be?
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post Aug 19 2022, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(wotpian @ Aug 18 2022, 11:00 PM)
When large mix development right next to CSL mrt station start to develop, how much psf will it be?
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https://www.facebook.com/drvictorgan/posts/...19133322108845/

saw tis article wrote by some propertyguru?

2003 - RM50psf
2007 - RM130psf
2015 - RM152psf
2016 - RM699psf
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post Aug 20 2022, 01:56 PM

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can agent pm me ?
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post Aug 20 2022, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Allan P @ Aug 20 2022, 01:56 PM)
can agent pm me ?
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not agent but pmed you
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post Aug 21 2022, 02:12 PM

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Does anyone know if they already got the APDL?
I heard piling works is starting soon.
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post Aug 21 2022, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Jimmy2022 @ Aug 21 2022, 02:12 PM)
Does anyone know if they already got the APDL?
I heard piling works is starting soon.
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not yet, just doing land clearing
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post Aug 22 2022, 12:58 AM

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Hello Sifus,

Will this be a good capital appreciation investment?
Price point and area imo is pretty alright except peak hour traffic.

How about the developer, perhaps inside news about its credibility?

Any idea if to compare with TR2? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Aug 22 2022, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(abcheers @ Aug 22 2022, 12:58 AM)
Hello Sifus,

Will this be a good capital appreciation investment?
Price point and area imo is pretty alright except peak hour traffic.

How about the developer, perhaps inside news about its credibility?

Any idea if to compare with TR2?  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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my dua sen on KL48

Pros:
- Cheap for the area
- Near public transport (MRT/LRT is within walking distance) and major business hubs (KLCC etc.) are within short driving distance
- Small units + higher mean low total entry cost and lower maintenance fees overall
- Fully furnished package means easy to start rental immediately
- New launch, so lots of units to choose from, can pick the best value floors and facing.

Cons:
- Developer is relatively unknown (but supposedly experienced directors)
- High density of over 1k units means high number of competition within development itself, not even counting nearby property
- Same high density means wear and tear damage on facilities and common areas are likely to be faster
- Small units aren't super attractive to people who buy for own stay (competition with affordable homes like RumaWIP and RSKU), usually end up having to sell to future investors
- High rise generally don't appreciate well unless the property has some special features (superb award-winning management or in high demand status area like Desa Parkcity).
- Have to wait 3+ years to see the completed product, during which economy can wildly change the value (good and bad)

Compare and contrast to Trion 2:

Pros:
- Medium density, which is a rare thing in the city centre that isn't priced over RM1million per unit.
- only 8 units per floor with 4 lifts (3 regular + 1 service) which means less waiting, again quite rare unit to elevator ratio
- Near public transport (MRT/LRT is within walking distance) and major business hubs (KLCC etc.) are within short driving distance
- Branded reputable developer (Binastra Land) with several successful and early completed projects in portfolio
- is a "younger sibling" development to Binastra's flagship mixed-use project Trion where they'll supposedly move their offices to (old rumor, haven't confirmed), so highly likely that Trion2 will have more attention from developer on quality
- Already in the process of building and seems to be faster than the time given for VP in SPA, conservative estimate that project will be ready for VP in late 2023/early 2024 based on the speed of construction.
- All units come partially furnished, supposedly S*gnature K*tchen branded (SK is a known business collaborator with Binastra's past and current projects)

Cons:
- Medium density = higher maintenance costs overall as less units to share with
- The facilities offered are on the luxurious side, which further pushes up maintenance cost
- Valuation of T2 reported to be "future priced" and higher than the market value of the area
- Binastra had one recent project Citiz*n 2 that was lambasted for poor workmanship, vandalised common areas and poor follow up to defects rectification. Binastra has since fixed most of the problems, but something to bear in mind.
- Already 90% sold based on KPKT data earlier this year, which means not much units left for sale, most likely only have the expensive high floors units or the lower-value small units with less desired facing (Edit to add: A quick look at Binastra social media just few days ago implied that the remaining T2 units are mostly bumiputera units, so stock is even more limited for non-bumi buyers)
- Same issue as KL48 regarding how high rise doesn't usually appreciate well in Malaysia
- Only partially furnished so still need to add on cost of own furnishing
- No option to customise the partial furnishing (all standardised finish and color)

This post has been edited by DragonReine: Aug 22 2022, 05:39 PM
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post Aug 22 2022, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(abcheers @ Aug 22 2022, 12:58 AM)
Hello Sifus,

Will this be a good capital appreciation investment?
Price point and area imo is pretty alright except peak hour traffic.

How about the developer, perhaps inside news about its credibility?

Any idea if to compare with TR2?  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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if ownstay if can afford then go for trion 2
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post Aug 22 2022, 03:51 PM

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the closest completed residential in this area is One Residence.

Average asking rental for a fully furnished 2 bedrooms here is RM2.50psf.

Even with completion of MRT2, rental rate here will not increase by 50% overnight.

Good luck for those who buy for rental. Of course there's always sublet and airbnb to justify buying decision.



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post Aug 22 2022, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(ex660 @ Jun 4 2022, 06:53 PM)
Anyone wonder why Trion 1 2 and KL48 want to build many thousand of units over here?  hmm.gif
land cheap? simply build? bcos have MRT station? or see people build then i build also lo ?

Do you know this is 1 train station away from TRX and TRX Resi is selling RM2,000 to 2,400psf and locals working there comL7firm cannot afford to rent that area and the nearest 1 stop away is either Conlay RM 1,600psf or you can go Cochrane station/area RM1,000++

Rental how much u go figure out .. Conlay area 2bed 2bath ppl bought for 2mil or One Cxxxxxxx or velocity area also 1mil up  innocent.gif
want you rent RM2,000 ma ?  console.gif

So if you work at TRX as junior banker, cashier.. sapu lantai or jilat kasut monthly RM3,000-5,000 and you want to find something affordable to buy/rent? where you go ?

the cheapest 1 station away is Chan Sow Lin here lo? So if I come here and look around what Can i find ?

Ohh so they are these few developments here that is What ? RM2,000 fully furnished ? 2 rooms ? 2 car park ? Where to FIND oh ??

And you know the MRT is damm important bcos you cant afford to park the car there if working everyday at TRX also ..

Year 2026 price lebeh kurang itu macam lo ..
You want find RM1,500 ? RM1800? ok .. u go Rxxxx City lo .. there got 6,000 units sure got can get cheaper rent but how long is the travelling time and to get to public transport you count count lo .. and then sure complaint high density .. far la .. not convenient la.. But I think their sales not bad also what  biggrin.gif

Btw the only 2 residential in TRX is total around 2,500-3,000units.. hmm why nobody complaint high density  1?  hmm.gif

If you don't know the Exchange Mall at TRX is 2mil sqft GFA..
Go imagine where all the people will want to look for a place to stay. This is just the shopping mall and haven't talk about other office buildings there.

OK.. so come back ..  if today i work at TRX or want to stay nearby TRX but no budget.. where i go look at ?  blush.gif
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There are many more condos with more competitive price and superior location than this project that still struggling to attract tenants with meaningful ROI.

Buyers only have themselves to be blamed if they couldn't even bother to do some meaningful research prior putting their hard earned money.


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QUOTE(gks @ Aug 22 2022, 03:57 PM)
There are many more condos with more competitive price and  superior location than this project that still struggling to attract tenants with meaningful ROI.

Buyers only have themselves to be blamed if they couldn't even bother to do some meaningful research prior putting their hard earned money.
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Personally predict stagnant rental for a good few years more for KL city area.

M'sia unfortunately isn't designed to be commuter friendly, in fact MRT originally was designed to "revitalise" the train stop areas, which in practical application meant it was designed as an investment vehicle for developers and landowners to build expensive TODs in the middle of nowhere, not to make life more convenient for the rakyat.

We're already seeing the effect of this in oversupply of service apartments that remained unbought/empty of tenants. Stagnant wages, inflation of lifestyle costs, and brain drain also means that finding tenants becomes more difficult, when the average fresh grad professional can't even afford to rent a room within city centre.
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post Aug 22 2022, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(gks @ Aug 22 2022, 03:57 PM)
There are many more condos with more competitive price and  superior location than this project that still struggling to attract tenants with meaningful ROI.

Buyers only have themselves to be blamed if they couldn't even bother to do some meaningful research prior putting their hard earned money.
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Give some examples of the projects bro.. dont talk like you know but actually dont..
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post Aug 22 2022, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(gks @ Aug 22 2022, 03:57 PM)
There are many more condos with more competitive price and  superior location than this project that still struggling to attract tenants with meaningful ROI.

Buyers only have themselves to be blamed if they couldn't even bother to do some meaningful research prior putting their hard earned money.
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superior location with more competitive price than kl48, except those apartment built 10-20 years ago, please give exampe
with mrt or lrt station in walking distance smile.gif
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post Aug 22 2022, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(gks @ Aug 22 2022, 03:51 PM)
the closest completed residential in this area is One Residence.

Average asking rental for a fully furnished 2 bedrooms here is RM2.50psf.

Even with completion of MRT2, rental rate here will not increase by 50% overnight.

Good luck for those who buy for rental. Of course there's always sublet and airbnb to justify buying decision.
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of course it won't increase 50%, i believe not a single project will
can talk something more logical or not



one residence partially furnish 2 rooms layout renting about 2k-2.2k but their installment need about 2.5k not yet include maintenance
one residence still consider cheap given price psf


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QUOTE(Najibaik @ Aug 22 2022, 06:21 PM)
superior location with more competitive price than kl48, except those apartment built 10-20 years ago, please give exampe
with mrt or lrt station in walking distance  smile.gif
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Walking distance to CSL lrt station is 500m with no cover walkway right?
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QUOTE(hopeful forever @ Aug 26 2022, 11:38 AM)
Walking distance to CSL lrt station is 500m with no cover walkway right?
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There will be no cover walkway to the LRT station but there will be shuttle bus provided.


SA here. Feel free to contact me for further enquiries.
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post Aug 26 2022, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(hopeful forever @ Aug 26 2022, 11:38 AM)
Walking distance to CSL lrt station is 500m with no cover walkway right?
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yup
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QUOTE(Najibaik @ Aug 26 2022, 04:20 PM)
yup
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If provide just 1 van will be insufficient and if future MC have to decide if the shuttle service will continue.

Maintaining the van and driver is a costly affair.
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QUOTE(hopeful forever @ Aug 26 2022, 06:22 PM)
If provide just 1 van will be insufficient and if future MC have to decide if the shuttle service will continue.

Maintaining the van and driver is a costly affair.
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wei.. .asking you to give examples.. don't keep challenge only.. dumbass

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