Have you tried TRW dtec by any chance? How does it compared to the Dixcel ES?
I believe your driving style is almost like mine, hence i think if you say its good for u, it shld be good for me too lol

nope never tried TRW dtec

I think we are not the same.


you want power, while i don't mind on power at all, i just have a very lopsided / biased / extreme focus on ride and handling, braking, tires, suspensions.
engine, so long it isn't an econo box 1 liter engine or something on a 1.3 ton body, i am still ok.

TRW DTEC is a little spongy. Surprisingly it is also very dusty.

I see..
Yes i wan power, but I wan decent handling too. I have been playing touge at penang hill since my first car and several setups and cars later, i think my current handling strikes the 2nd best in handling and best in comfort of all my setups so far.

Now u make me curious, how does your car's handling compared to mine? Since u are at the extreme side and i dont think i am extreme.

Handling wide, i do have upgrades like tien flex z suspension (currently driving at 14/16 clicks of hardness and 2 fingers, best handling n comfort for me), hardrace arms n bushings, ur bars for engine and bottom chassis, hasport engine mountings, brembo brakes, bridgestone re004 tires. Anyway i think car chassis plays a vital roll too, like hatchback car shld have way better handling.

Yeah a bit spongy when i compared with my brembo pads. But way less dusty than brembo pads.. i wonder how about dixcel es..

For me all 3 pads (brembo low-met, trw dtec & dixcel es) are dusty pads.

Their dustiness are very similar.

The only pads that are dustier would be EBC yellow stuff. But this one really eat the disc like crazy.

Funny.. my brembo brakes are way dustier than the trw dtec. Like 3x dustier... Also it sometimes have sound when braking..

I can consistently pull 1.1-1.2G Cornering, 0.9-1.1G Under downhill braking.

All this only on stock suspensions (2k Spring rates, stock height no changes) , and downgraded front 4 pot Sumitomo caliper (stock original is 2 pot but overall it's better performance than my 4 pot)

On the bolded, is why /meme

2k spring rates will have more body roll, how does this translate to better handling?

Also, I don't quite understand your G values analogy. How does this shows it has better handling without time to complete the track? Unless u can complete the track at the same time with higher G.
I can have less G values if I brake less aggressively, but this would mean more time spent to exit the corners.

4 pots will always have better braking distance provided all other factors of the car are able to handle it.
So if your car is slow and light, yes two pot is enough for u. If u put 2 pot into a lets say a 1500kg car and hard braking at 200km/h to 0km/h, the 4 pots will have the shorter braking distance.

What do you think?

I'll leave it to you to figure them out bro
Or you come join me in a Touge night

I was hoping we could share our knowledge. Again I think what you are saying is not what I understand. Stock suspensions on standard car like yours or mine, not including supercars will always have less sharper handling due to excessive body rolls especially during touge.

Any upgrades that reduces body roll = better handling.

I can join you in touge but if you want me to follow you with my car, then only in penang as other hills im not familiar. It can become quite crazy once the blood boils.

Your car chassis should be better than mine. However, with my upgrades and handling now, I am quite confident in it provided I change my brake pads first.

I will politely decline.

Because of the lines you've already written and I quote again.
It's difficult to explain and I do not have sufficient proficiency in teaching over forums.

Alright. How about any links for me to read up?
Youtube videos even better?
I am really curious.

Example:
Everything same, same car, same professional driver. With 2k spring rate vs 6k spring rate, the 2k spring rate will have faster track time?
Of course i'm not talking about 20k spring rate until the car is jumping around, losing more traction.. As long as the car is planted, having less body roll will always means better handling.

This post has been edited by Balanced: Sep 16 2024, 11:02 PM

I was about to ask what specifically, but good edit.










Hopefully you can understand why bold isn't he case

Anyways, last reply, as to not detail this thread. Apologies to TS

Alright Thanks!
I will watch the videos. I am googling about it too.

Yeah its behind my mind. I thought it was common knowledge so didnt type out at first. Then think think takut misunderstand so I type out.
I still prefer discussing things face to face. Typing I tend to short cut a lot of things..

This post has been edited by Balanced: Sep 16 2024, 11:22 PM

I agree on the sound. This is where TRW DTEC excels over Brembo. It is more quiet.

However, Brembo has better bite than TRW.

TRW DTEC no sound or squeeks at all. I like.
How about the DIXCEL ES, got sound? If no sound, I think i'm quite convinced to change.

He's talking about lateral G. Generally higher = more grip.

1.2g on a street car is very high. Not sure what tyres he was using when pulling 1.2G, but I recall he's only using UHP. That's very impressive.

For your reference a lot of amature drivers only pull around same 1.2G in 992 911 GT3. Although the car is 1.3-1.4G capable. Probably more G with Cup2 R tyres.

GT3 race car or LMH Hypercar can pull 4G. F1 6G? Depends on which generation rules.

Body roll, handling feel is not equal to more grip. A car can feel shit, difficult to drive, but still fast.

If you can't comprehend what he said, very hard to discuss further. Those videos are good start.

If you never annoyed by traction control made things worse (try to kill you), then driving skill also at different level then him (I know I'm not at same league).

Lastly Penang touge narrow roads. Most of the places 2nd gear run out of road and brake. Luckly if can hit 80km/h before need to brake. Want to train high speed corner with high lateral G, Penang is a terrible place.

If you can fully utilize 200hp Tanjung Bungah/Teluk Bahang area, consider way above average driving skills.

You know which category you in, you can keep it to yourself. Peace, drive safely especially in narrow touge with many blind corners.

Not sure if you or heard any feedback of Remsa pads?
Was given feedback by the sales person it is good pad but very dusty as he used it on his personal car.

This post has been edited by minizian: Sep 17 2024, 12:36 AM

thanks very much for the details and yeah I cannot comprehend what he said. I still have a lot to learn .

Sales person might have biased feedback. Also each person perspective of good is very subjective. Unless he has used all other pads like brembo, dixcel, bendix ultimate and remsa, then comment like remsa is as good in braking as brembo would be more viable.

The dealer (Emerald Auto Parts) carried multiple brake brands (seem like they are focused on Brembo's compared to Remsa and Akebono's) on their end.

I did specifically mention to him my pad requirement to be more track biased since I do track days and this is what he recommended. He also warned me apart of the excessive dust, the pad need some heat to work and it going to be suck, noisy and brake wont makan that much for frist few meters from a cold start.

Would love to try Brembo upper end pads and rotors but the pad they carry is more for daily use unless I can convince the rep to do custom run for their higher end tier rotors and pads which most likely required min order 1000 pads and 1000 rotors lol.
Likewise I can forget about dixcel (or any Japanese brand) since they dont even produce for Iriz lol
While Bendix Ultimate have 3 to 4 month lead time (source: i asked the local rep about it and this his answer to me)

So in essence not much selection for my car and gotta make do with what available unlike your car which have wide varieties of selections

This post has been edited by minizian: Sep 17 2024, 01:15 AM