20km/L is decent. wondering normal one how much. Still thinking should i get hybrid. but i do like the grey blue colour

Go test drive lo

For me it's no brainer to get the hybrid, been thinking to get Prius 3rd Gen but then the complaints that it scrapes the bumps, I scared the Prius too low how to wade flash floods, old car how to maintain. Most, if not all my concerns are addressed in Corolla Cross Hybrid.

They FEW things I cannot accept is the stupid dashboard and inside door panels - they purposely take up space with not much purpose, Honda did a much better job optimising space. I have many times hit my knees on the dashboard parts jutting out and also the steering wheel, getting in and out of the car.

This post has been edited by AbbyCom: Oct 18 2024, 09:26 AM

A lot of the dealer ran out of the current hybrid version already. Mostly left with V and GR.

Might want to consider waiting for the new hybrid if current one runs out. Besides the great discount and the garang looks on the current Cross, I still think the new hybrids will be a better deal in terms of improvement of features, mainly the very important EPB and Brake Hold along with Wireless AA and Carplay. Once you live with convenience of wireless AA and Carplay, you won't want to go back to cable.

The cost might increase 5K to 8K, there is no doubt but so will your resale value goes up with the above 2 features in. There will be other minor upgrades here and there (still can't justify the massive price difference of 5-8K PLUS the current discount) but for me, the missing EPB with Brake Hold (hated the current legbrake, whatever justification it comes out with to use the obsolete brake) and Wireless AA is THE deal breaker for me.

although chances are slim to none, i think the driving experience would be greatly improved if UMW were to bring in 2.0L dynamic force engines for the petrol variants, and/or update hybrids to 5th generation HSD that can have higher output
patiently waiting for Msia facelift launch in the meantime.. although Haval H6 and Jaecoo J7 PHEV is starting to get my attention

When you talk about T & H, you usually talked about long term reliability and parts availability. The Chinese marquee are especially tempting with their pricing, features that I guess that in most ppl opinion trumped the offering from T&H, no fight in terms of pricing vs features. The things is in long term, 8 years down the road, certain parts failed or accidents, can we still easily get the replacement parts, not just from SC which will cost a bomb but from outside mechanic. 10 years down the road, if you front lamp broke due to accidents, can you get new oem, original or 2nd hand parts?

That is what T&H can offer and have proven while the Chinese brands are still lacking in reputation in this area especially in Malaysia. Haval and Jaecoo are very nice now and worth the money with real high tech but the drop in resale value or if keeping long term, parts availability, etc will comes in to play in making the real worth of the cars. Being a low volume cars in Malaysia means they will not likely to stock up parts in future.

ps. Keep dreaming UMW will bring in 2.0L, maybe in next gen but so will the price hike...they figure Asians are not as heavy as the westerners thus 1.8cc suffice liao while keeping the price in check within the car range category.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Oct 18 2024, 11:43 AM

valid points about traditional japanese brands having reliability, but do keep in mind as well GWM and Chery also have large market presence in their home country, and with improved international shipping and connectivity the option of sourcing parts should be fine

not to mention it's not all rosy with the japanese brands i.e. the steering rack issues with numerous H models
in essence, reliability of newer cars nowadays are no longer what it is 10 years ago
however if T&H offerings doesnt improve with the market, they may end up being like Nokia, BlackBerry eventually

I dont want to speak about reliability and after sales since these things need time to be proven. But IMO the biggest issue with Chinese brands is how fast they are updating their models especially EVs. Imagine you buy a car and within 2 years a total refresh came out rendering yours obsolete, dont even need to think about resale value. Granted not all Chinese brands do this but they are enticed to do so considering how competitive is their home market with tons of brands.

Infact some models just launched here are actually the old model. Eg: Haval H6, MG ZS, and of course our X70 and X50

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Oct 18 2024, 12:36 PM

Yes, H&T are not what they used to be, they are halfway down the throne in reliability issues. But as ZeneticX mentioned, Chinese marquee updated way too fast. When they updated the car, so does many of their parts ie, lamp shape, etc. That makes the manufacturer produced less of same parts to keep stock, then 10 years down the road, those parts are really hard to find. Even if found, have to import. The fact that China have lots of competition in the market shortening the life of each part production even more.

I guess in future, we have to change car especially EV with high-tech that can be obsolete within 2 years like we change phone, use 5 years, abandon. But with the pricing in Asean market where cars loans are 5-9 years, who can afford to abandon the cars like that.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Oct 18 2024, 01:13 PM

i think market in Malaysia wont bring the 2.0 as the roadtax is high.. not many will buy.. or will take other brands.
even the TCC 1.8 roadtax is much higher than Honda 1.8. TCC is listed/registerd in JPJ as Jeep body/chassis.

Ya. Toyota interior design is terrible when comes to those storage space for driver. Plus Honda interior is very nice, just that i heard a lot of issues about Honda including famous steering rack and rattle noise.
Plus HRV rear seat is not comfortable, so no choice for me

my salesman told me still have 1 unit for the grey one. hopefully can get it

Can explain more on this? Car is under spouse name, spouse did complain that the road tax is RM361 but when I googled, HRV 1.8 and TCC 1.8 roadtax is RM279.

i heard this from my friend which said that actually road tax is calculated base on actual cc. like all 2.0 car model, not all is same, some is 1999cc, while some might be 1880 or 1867 or something.

this is bcoz tyt registered cross in jpj as non-saloon, hence the roadtax is higher than usual sedan/saloon car..

there is loophole of why a supposed-to-be-suv/nonsaloon car, can be registered as saloon car.. like hrv

Well would like to go down the rabbit hole of how this was done.

Learnt something that I wasn't aware of today. Thought all 1.8l should be similar road tax.

Spoke to an SA at Ace 2024. The facelift will launch probably next month with increased price of course but this time they will give rebate due to CCP car competition.

Not only competition from chinese cars, but probably they raise the price a lot to buffer for increased inflation and volatile exchange rates next year. They give 'rebates' now is the price they are comfortable with in the near term. If inflation/cost goes up, they can just remove the rebates instead of increasing the price in such a short time.

finally they've been dragging their feet for a while huh.. any info regarding Yaris Cross from the SA?

wondering for the rebate, will it be due to the orders are likely to be delivered as a year-end car, or to boost orders (valid for 2025 production as well)?

I asked about YC as well. He said government protecting national car maker, so P2 has to release first. Then only Toyota can release YC. The delay comes from P2 itself. Discount is to fend off CCP car prices basically.

Do you all get extra lock for your Cross?