Thanks this sum it up nicely





This post has been edited by Roadwarrior1337: Apr 3 2022, 12:00 AM

Yes. Agreed. That is why, when it's come to milk, I go for the cheap one which is UHT. Boleh tahan lama, murah juga.

Formula milk this days they even dosed with corn syrup to get your baby hooked and enjoy. Biggest hoax and marketing for profit. It’s not good for toddlers. Better drink fresh and have multivitamins in liquid form as supplement.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/baby...405371.html?amp

fresh from human nenen of course is better

but never seen any babies drinking fresh cow nenen milk tho

1 is pasteurized milk and the other is UHT milk. That is the difference.

take farm fresh fresh milk la, cheaper bro, rm7.3 and 6.5 if discount at tesco

the 2L ones also good at rm13

at least farm fresh fresh milk cows were from NZ, or bred from NZ cows and live in msia. Yarra is farm fresh 'UHT' version. reconstituted.

Due to the marketing of formula milk. Read the article many formula milk brands contains up to 2x the sugar of Fanta Drink. Getting babies hooked on sugar at such a young age, very bad for health. Give them mood swings and depression at baby toddler stage and craving for sugar.

username checks out. What about those T20 farmhouse fresh milk? how is it fresh if import from australia and in shelf for 1 week? whats your take

Don’t understand why you keep belaboring this point. You seem to imply that UHT must equal reconstituted from dry milk powder which clearly isn’t fresh milk legally. But others already pointed out you can have fresh milk that underwent UHT process and then from that moment on it does not need refrigeration. I think it would still be fair to call it fresh UHT milk.

Reconstituted UHT full cream milk cost rm6 at aeon n those are found in the dry shelf section. They do not put the word fresh milk on those cartons ( I have them in my fridge)

Again conflating UHT to reconstituted. If it’s reconstituted it would have the word milk solids in the ingredient list. U legally can’t put “fresh milk “ on reconstituted product. Where did this impression of UHT = reconstituted originate? Is it because ppl here see that UHT doesn’t need refrigeration so they think it’s from milk powder?

You dont ger my point. All i am saying fresh milk is fresh milk from nenen. If label say fresh milk then it has to be right? Uht is not. Like that might as well i buy powdered milk and make myself and can keep for long time.

All im saying is fresh milk has to be milk that has been pasturize and not something dry that has water added and sold as fresh milk. That is just pure evil and is a lie

The law say cannot mix with water. If its uht then atleast have the decency to label as fresh milk uht so buyer can make concise purchase

This is you not getting my whole point (and you are probably confused about UHT). there is UHT milk from RECONSTITUTED milk and UHT milk from FRESH milk (milk that has never been made into milk pwder and reconsituted). UHT is just HEAT treatment at higher temp than pasteurization, it DOES NOT say anything about using milk powder and reconstituting it, adding Water etc etc.

Here is thought experiment. milk from nenen can be unpasteurized, it is still fresh milk right (except we call it RAW milk). why cant that same fresh milk undergo UHT? why does UHT automatically make it not fresh in your eyes but pasteurization still is?

This is the UHT milk from reconstituted from my fridge, the ingredient clearly says from milk solids and isnt marketed as FRESH milk. btw, it is also RM6.2, and the packaging is clearly diff from your UHT Fresh dutch lady milk.







PS: I do agree they should label fresh milk that is pasteurized vs fresh milk that gone UHT much clearer, but at least they do say so at the back.



This post has been edited by diffyhelman2: Apr 3 2022, 12:49 AM

For me if i see susu segar and i wanted susu segar and i paid for susu segar i very well damn deserve susu segar


Uht comes either in powder base during transport and then reconstructed with water and undergo that process

It could also be frozen but for the price it aint frozen (those are above 20 ringgit for 1 liter)


Its simple really or maybe we both habe different opinion. If i wanted uht then id buy uht yea. There are difference. Tell me then why the real susu segar has a lifespan of 2 to 3 weeks wherelse the uht fresh milk can last 1 year


My point is milk is milk but if someone wants to buy susu segar they just deserve it if the box advertise fresh milk and he paid the fair amount for fresh milk


Its like you open a shop, sell uht milk and inform
Patrons is fresh milk and charge a premium. You get it now ?

There is no need to use milk powder to get low fat milk, you simply let the milk fat rise to the top and skim of some of it, then rehomogenize. skim all the fat away and it becomes skim milk. in US, the process is much more clear, they market full fat fresh (which is about 4% fat), 2% fat fresh milk, 1% fat fresh milk and 0% fresh (skim milk).

this is where you are mistaken (and I and others have repeatedly tried to tell you this but you are too blinkered to see what we are tryin to tell you). Yes most UHT milk sold here like the one I bought is from powder base. but the one you bought, the ingredient clearly says fresh milk. it could very well be fresh milk from Australia that undergone UHT treatment over there and then transported in bulk (ie liquid form) over to malaysia, which also explains the price difference.




friend, this is where the process of pasteurization and UHT comes into play. raw unpasteurized milk goes bad within a day in our climate. pasteurization kills some of the bacteria and slows the spoilage process so that it can last a few weeks in the fridge. leave it out in room temperature and the bacteria that wasn't killed will still multiply and the pasteurized milk will spoil also within days in our climate.

UHT kills ALL the bacteria in the liquid milk, that's why once it is UHT treated AND sealed in the box unopened, no bacteria can grow and that's why the UHT milk can last for a year without refrigeration.

and I repeat again, UHT and pasteurization only involves HEAT, not freeze drying into powder base, not adding back water etc ....all these have nothing to do with UHT.

This post has been edited by diffyhelman2: Apr 3 2022, 01:09 AM

if UHT is better than pasteurisation in that it kills all germs and lasts longer, why not just make all fresh milk UHT?

BEcause UHT changes the taste composition of milk. the high temperature (135C) destroys some of the long branch fatty acids and amino acids that give flavor to the milk. That's why raw milk tastes the best according to people, because all the original amino and fatty acids that give it the flavor are preserved (pasteurization also destroys some of them but less because of the lower temp).

ironically the protein content for UHT is higher than pasteurised if you look at the first post. How does that explain?

Most yogurt is low fat.

according to the label, uht has higher milk fat, should be more mouth full than pasteurized.

interestingly enough, there was a proposal by the UK govt to push for 90% of all milk to be sold there as UHT a few years back, in order to reduce the need for refregetraion and cut greenhouse gas, but it was dropped because of consumer resistance. (like milk that isn't refrigerated isnt fresh milk , etc).