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 Ask me Anything, 10 years in Recruitment (KL & SG)

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post Mar 15 2022, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(mimikw @ Mar 15 2022, 04:20 PM)
Hi, yes your calculation is correct. The average/target billing per recruiter is RM50K a month (back at my agency) so about 5K commission but I hit 80- 100K pretty consistently so commission can be pretty solid. We get it upfront (bigger agencies).
If the candidate resigns/didn't pass probation, the client will still have to pay for the fee but they will get a free replacement candidate within the guarantee period (usually 3-6months) - we never sign 6 months though
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Hi I'm kinda curious do you have a count of the percentage of candidates that fail probation? Wondering is it common or not.
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post Mar 15 2022, 08:57 PM

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I wanna become a recruiter. Tried to apply two recruitment agency and they called me for phone interview. But seems like they think I should research more about recruitment field. I really did a lot of research about that. May I know how should I pass the first round of phone interview in order to get a job as a recruitment consultant?
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post Mar 15 2022, 11:32 PM

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Guys, I received a job opportunity (audit) to work remotely (based in Malaysia and supporting Singapore audit remotely)

The salary range from RM 8k to 10k, is this consider as a good offer?
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post Mar 16 2022, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(mhyug @ Mar 15 2022, 12:12 PM)
hi thanks it did help a lot.

just another question, how about the gazetted public holidays? i know not everyone can enjoy them but i believe there is mechanism for working on these holidays within the labour law that companies follow. I just cant recall the exact details of it. I know that 5 are mandatory, and 6 are optionals to make it total 11 days. So if were to work on those day for example CNY day 1, does the worker entitled for double pay/replacement holidays?

On the labour law itself, how about us professionals whom clearly not covered under the law goes by? Since companies will apply the minimum of it to us but when we have dispute the law doesn't apply/protect us?
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Answer your 1st question

5 Compulsory Days/ Gazetted Public Holiday and 6 Elective Days.
Usually, Company will issue a memo around end of the year to inform staff, which public holiday that they observe.

Yes, double pay or replacement holidays subject to company policy.
For example, some of the company executive level staffs are not entitle for OT, then they can claim for replacement leave.

Answer your 2nd question

Employment Art provided the minimum guideline/protection to staff who are within the scope.
if you are out of the scope, you still can walk in to IR office to file case if there are any dispute. For example, unfair dismissal cases.


Thanks.


This post has been edited by Jesse0916: Mar 17 2022, 10:25 PM
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post Mar 16 2022, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(mimikw @ Mar 15 2022, 04:32 PM)
Recruiters (at least the better ones) love getting as much details possible to ensure the right role fit for you/client. Imagine a real estate agent who wants to know the buyer's preference on location, budget, size, etc etc etc. the more they know about you, the better they can match your expectation right?
- My ans to the head hunter is; if they can pay me then I'm sure not an issue to deliver (maybe I'm not at median pay at my "level")

On why they fail to get you a new job - the market is simply very competitive, you can be good but they're many better candidates too in the market. The only way is to skill up, gain better experiences, involve in interesting projects, furnish your CV, do interview preps, do mock interviews, up your game to compete. Only you can help yourself here  tongue.gif
- I'm in a VERY specific FI industry and the project I'm always working on is "limited" or would I say happen once or twice in a lifetime within the industry change

There are many jobs out there but all companies are competing for the top 20% of the available talent pool; likewise there are many job seekers out there but everyone is applying to the top 20% available jobs in the market.
- Yes, but the salary scale may not match back. Guess same old mentality to pay peanut and expect to get a "good" employee .. So far my 2 headhunter where I deal separately I asked for salary I want which I get ... Lol

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post Mar 16 2022, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(Noice @ Mar 15 2022, 05:42 PM)
Hi TS! I'm from Sarawak and am interested to apply for some IT field jobs in KL and eventually relocating to KL. (I got 10 months of work exp only, currently freelancing)

Do you think it's a good idea to put my current address in my resume? Something like "willing to relocate" or it's better not to show it?

Do you think it's possible for someone fresh like me to apply for jobs especially out of state?

Many thanks, sifu!
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Hi, you don't have to show it if you don't want to though there's technically nothing wrong about an out of town address too. For your situation, if you are applying to KL jobs, they will automatically assume you'd be in KL for the role so the more important thing to note down is your notice period/how soon can you start. Eg: 2 weeks/4 weeks?
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post Mar 16 2022, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(forever14yay @ Mar 15 2022, 09:57 PM)
I wanna become a recruiter. Tried to apply two recruitment agency and they called me for phone interview. But seems like they think I should research more about recruitment field. I really did a lot of research about that. May I know how should I pass the first round of phone interview in order to get a job as a recruitment consultant?
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A good recruitment consultant is very similar to a good sales person.
They'll assess your communication skills, confidence, EQ, drive & hustle and ability to build relationships with stakeholders. The common misconception is Recruiting is more HR; it's actually more Sales than HR. Consultative selling is the key. From my experience, depending on the size of the firm, candidates that presents themselves well are always the preferred lot.
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post Mar 16 2022, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(flying_manatee @ Mar 15 2022, 06:16 PM)
Hi I'm kinda curious do you have a count of the percentage of candidates that fail probation? Wondering is it common or not.
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I don't track this.. It's uncommon to fail probation but shit happens. Most cases, they will extend the probationary period for another 3 months for the employee to buck up.
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post Mar 17 2022, 09:52 AM

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Hihi, just wanted to know, are you dealing with IT line candidates? If yes I would like to proceed and ask for some advise from you. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 18 2022, 01:03 AM

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Is a candidate discriminated upon if they had a several years of corporate employment followed by a several years gap of self employment and then a year or two back into corporate environment only to jump back into self employment and now on the lookout for corporate employment again?
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hi mimikw,

I would like to know more about selection of candidates, i was called directly by some company HR as they mentioned they found my LI profile/ resume from JS, offered me to be interview on a position, say Business Development, Head. The 1st interviewer ask nothing much about BD role but more towards products knowledge, the 2nd interviewers (COO & CFO) aside start off with the tell me about yourself opening, from this intro + resume on the spot reading while i talk, they mentioned that i may not fit the role.
After finished the 2nd interview, went on about 30 minutes. i was wondering why is the 1st place i m selected by the HR and it was not mentioned by the 1st interviewers (HR Manager & Senior Manager).
Feel like a bit of wasting time if the 1st thing come from the COO is you may not fit the role.

2nd thing is, they did offer to look into another position which they feel more suitable for me, is this just to comfort me kinda ease the awkward situation or there is such arrangement? The position mentioned was not published to public, cant find in their website nor any recruitment portal.
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post Mar 20 2022, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(Taintedfury @ Mar 18 2022, 01:15 PM)
hi mimikw,

I would like to know more about selection of candidates, i was called directly by some company HR as they mentioned they found my LI profile/ resume from JS, offered me to be interview on a position, say Business Development, Head. The 1st interviewer ask nothing much about BD role but more towards products knowledge, the 2nd interviewers (COO & CFO) aside start off with the tell me about yourself opening, from this intro + resume on the spot reading while i talk, they mentioned that i may not fit the role.
After finished the 2nd interview, went on about 30 minutes. i was wondering why is the 1st place i m selected by the HR and it was not mentioned by the 1st interviewers (HR Manager & Senior Manager).
Feel like a bit of wasting time if the 1st thing come from the COO is you may not fit the role.

2nd thing is, they did offer to look into another position which they feel more suitable for me, is this just to comfort me kinda ease the awkward situation or there is such arrangement? The position mentioned was not published to public, cant find in their website nor any recruitment portal.
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Hi there
Sorry to hear of your unpleasant experience. No answer to this honestly - it's simply a mismatch of expectations and poor role fit. Either your CV is not clear or the Recruiter does not have a thorough understanding of the role. It happens.

Congrats on still securing another role - wouldn't say they're "comforting" you - it's an expensive form of 'comfort' to offer you a job. I think the COO and CFO genuinely think you're a good candidate for another role during the interview so they decided to take the leap of faith and make an offer. Some roles are never advertised for various reasons (confidential roles, newly created role, a role with good pipeline of candidates so they didn't bother advertising.
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post Mar 20 2022, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(fookhing @ Mar 18 2022, 02:03 AM)
Is a candidate discriminated upon if they had a several years of corporate employment followed by a several years gap of self employment and then a year or two back into corporate environment only to jump back into self employment and now on the lookout for corporate employment again?
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The honest answer is yes, for some companies but not all of them.. But the first interview (if well prepped) should be able to eliminate all of that.
If you do happen to have gaps in your career, be sure to state the reason for each and every single one of them. As long as the gaps are justified, it should be fine.
The best gaps are entrepreneurial gaps where candidates went to start a business/venture that didn't work out so I will not be ashamed of that at all. As far as I know, many start ups love candidates with a combination experience in corporate and self employment - the key learning of running your own business is steep and you'll wear many hats - make sure you have a bunch of interesting stories to tell (both the good and the bad).
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post Mar 21 2022, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(Jesse0916 @ Mar 16 2022, 08:50 AM)
Answer your 1st question

5 Compulsory Days/ Gazetted Public Holiday  and 6 Elective Days.
Usually, Company will issue a memo around end of the year to inform staff, which public holiday that they observe.

Yes, double pay or replacement holidays subject to company policy.
For example, some of the company executive level staffs are not entitle for OT, then they can claim for replacement leave.

Answer your 2nd question

Employment Art provided the minimum guideline/protection to staff who are within the scope.
if you are out of the scope, you still can walk in to IR office to file case if there are any dispute. For example, unfair dismissal cases.
Thanks.

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thanks again. just out of curiosity, is it legal for a employer to terminate and employee just because they had an interview with another company? simply put just having a thought of moving to another job. can you punish someone to the point of terminating them? i think its against the law, and unethical.

And to throw in some clarity, there are no rules within this companies rule book stating that you cant go find another job, attend interview or even have thoughts of leaving.

for one i do know or you can say 100% sure that "employment-at-will doctrine" is not practiced or applicable in malaysia.

whats your opinion on this matter? hmm.gif

This post has been edited by mhyug: Mar 21 2022, 12:18 PM
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post Mar 22 2022, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(mhyug @ Mar 21 2022, 12:05 PM)
thanks again. just out of curiosity, is it legal for a employer to terminate and employee just because they had an interview with another company? simply put just having a thought of moving to another job. can you punish someone to the point of terminating them? i think its against the law, and unethical.

"employment-at-will doctrine" is not practiced or applicable in malaysia.

whats your opinion on this matter? hmm.gif
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Illegal. Company has not right to terminate an employee just because of he/she went to interview session.

However, if your current company know that you have the intention of leaving, usually company will not put their resources (training/guidance etc.) on you anymore.

"employment-at-will doctrine" is not practiced for employer.
Because employer cannot terminate an employee without a valid reason, unless poor performance/misconduct of employees.

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QUOTE(Jesse0916 @ Mar 22 2022, 01:27 PM)
Illegal. Company has not right to terminate an employee just because of he/she went to interview session.

However, if your current company know that you have the intention of leaving, usually company will not put their resources (training/guidance etc.) on you anymore.

"employment-at-will doctrine" is not practiced for employer.
Because employer cannot terminate an employee without a valid reason, unless poor performance/misconduct of employees.

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as i expected and read. on the bold part, its a given. not that we all receive soo much guidance or training either way. biggrin.gif

just another question tho, is it possible to work while a court case on unfair dismissal is going on?
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Hi TS, I have a question.

Let say if the company I interviewed hire a 3rd party for background research. And I was given a consent form regarding background checking. There is a part where I need to answer YES or NO for them to verified my info with current employer. My question is;

1) If I said NO, will the company drop me from their list of hiring? or they just assume that this step is a plus point for them to hire me?

2) If YES, 3rd party company will contact HR to verified my details including salary. What is the consequences for me with current company if I still don't get hire by the company after the background checking?

I believe the background checking is the last stage of hiring process, right?
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post Mar 23 2022, 09:04 AM

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Do HR normally practice calling up your previous company HR for verification or background check during resume checking stage (ie not even called for interview yet)?
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what if they do some background checking from your current employer but end up not hiring you, now it triggered your current employer knowing you looking for job already?

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