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gooroojee
post Mar 4 2022, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(lovelyuser @ Mar 4 2022, 04:50 PM)
Hand itchy and found something interesting....

Yesterday did a additional deposit of 20k into KDI Save, and I selected my cc as payment, the transaction rejected after keyin OTP

Just now found that there's extra 20k in my personal bank savings account registered with KDI, stated refund from PACIFIC TRUSTEES BERHAD
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Shouldn't they refund to your card...

This post has been edited by gooroojee: Mar 4 2022, 05:22 PM
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post Mar 6 2022, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(leo_kiatez @ Mar 6 2022, 05:19 PM)
Why need to open so many KDI accounts, bro?
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One account max 200k
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post Mar 10 2022, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Mar 10 2022, 10:48 PM)
test 100k?

to put in max is 50k per day via FPX... to take out?
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post Mar 29 2022, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(kykyky @ Mar 29 2022, 10:17 AM)
Guys, for KDI save, any idea where the withdrawal will withdraw the money from "Returns" first, or will withdraw the money from "Net Deposit" first?
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May I know why does it matter?
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post Oct 3 2022, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(Jessica JM. @ Oct 3 2022, 01:03 PM)
Understood. Do you mean the risk is the same whether I invest in KDI or put a FD in the bank?
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Risk of scam, same.

Risk of bank closing shop and not giving you your money back, not same. PIDM insured your deposits with the bank, even if the bank disappear overnight.
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post Oct 3 2022, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 3 2022, 07:17 PM)
marketing gimmick is a better word la,
they  count the chicken first before it hatches .
ie included your future earning from the daily interest,
add 1 years interest on interest and say see 3.5% now (AFTER 1 full year!)
As long as you understand it ....
counting chickens before they hatch,
yes, you  only get to 3.5% if you keep there FULL 1 year.

That is not the way  FD rates are published.
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Read KDI FAQ page. They state effective annual rate. Effective rate in financial terms mean inclusive of compounding effect. There is no cheating or scam, just lack of reading.
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post Oct 3 2022, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 3 2022, 08:52 PM)
lack of reading  icon_idea.gif
Wah you are right la bruh....

ini cilakak punya KDI actually reduces  interest rate for amount above RM50k

i checked 1 acc above RM50k found 3.0% is now only 2.95%
i am sure above RM200k previously 2.25% will likely now become <2%

Ini mana ada improvement for me?

Really cunning......KDI play tricks like this..
makan big depositors vomit some out for smaller amount.

Ok proof here:
1day interest earned  is RM7.93

1st RM50k x 3.44%/365 = RM4.71
RM39798.22 x 2.95%/365 = RM3.22
Total = RM7.93

If above RM50k pays  3.0% total interest for  1 day should be RM7.98
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But even if you deposit up to rm200k, having 3.44% on your first RM50k and 2.95% on the remaining rm150k is still better than 3.00% for the whole rm200k..... plus if we like to move money around and this is just used for parking, then the rm50k is always getting more at 3.44%...

How is this worse off than the earlier rate?
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post Oct 4 2022, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 3 2022, 11:56 PM)
you are right upto RM500k, above that i rugi compared to old way of calculation

1st RM50k give u extra 0.44%=RM220
subsequently take back 0.05%
subsequent RM450k i lose RM225, mana ada untung?
At the peak i parked nearly 2M in 1 account.
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Above rm200k also no more 3% already... and 3% promo is until 31 Dec 2022 only...
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post Oct 31 2022, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(kamkamheok @ Oct 31 2022, 10:04 AM)
new info about security firm deposit  thumbup.gif  thanks for sharing!!
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This is not really info, it's a person's view. If basic bank deposits in CASA and FD are super safe (which they are except very rare situations), you need to think why it even need to be insured by PIDM in the first place.

When banks go bankrupt, you get your money back.
If this one goes bankrupt, you don't.
It's that simple.

Neither are likely scenarios, and most people aren't bothered about it, but you just need to understand the exact risk and decide for yourself if it's for you or not.

People who want high returns don't care about protecting their capital. High risk = high rewards/high losses.
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post Nov 1 2022, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 31 2022, 11:20 PM)
give it a trial , i just  deposited RM29k+ top up my Versa Cash to make in near RM30k

in terms of speed of deposit and withdrawal, Versa  cant fight KDI
interest calculation also cant fight KDi's very transparent interest that can easily be  checked.

Now the most important thing is
1)how fast deposited money is captured and starts earning interest in Versa and
2)how fast  we get back after  click withdrawal in Versa

Assuming deposit in  lose 2-3 days, withdrawal out lose 2-3 days compared to KDI
total loss days = 6,

Versa offering 4% first RM30k also cant  beat KDI 3.5%

Transfer from your 1st RM30k from KDI to Versa, you rugi

extra earned from RM30k x 0.5% in 30D =RM12.33
6Days  loss of interest in KDI =RM30k x 3.49% x6/365 =RM17.21

Even if you have RM80k in KDI and you transfer the excess RM30k out to Versa still rugi
as you sacrifice RM14.74 for 6 days interest loss.

So Versa you wanna beat KDI 3.5% make sure you dont take too long, max in and out total 4 days still can consider
if 6 days sorry lah no point we move out from KDi
may not be applicable , in any case the difference is tiny, insignificant
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TBH I always enjoy seeing millionaires debating about moving RM30k around and discussing the rm5 difference over several months between two options.

Sometimes a Grab driver deliver food to us in the rain also most people would give a rm5 tip to them already. That's also about the hourly parking rate at some KL parking lots... šŸ˜…

The numbers are good to know, but it is hardly life changing.

PS: Anyway, I maxxed out my funds in Versa and KDI too...
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post Nov 2 2022, 12:55 AM

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Deleted. Not worth it... 😊

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post Dec 13 2022, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(download88 @ Dec 13 2022, 10:34 AM)
May I know where you park your emergency fund? Any account can provide more than KDi ~3.1%pa?  tongue.gif
I know eFD can withdraw anytime... just losing the accrued interest. smile.gif
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OCBC 360 savings, up to 4.38% but need to do homework a bit.
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post Dec 13 2022, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(leo_kiatez @ Dec 13 2022, 11:19 AM)
What homework? Please share the tips..Thanks
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https://www.ocbc.com.my/personal-banking/90...sary/index.html

Note: only applies to your first RM100k in the savings account
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post Dec 24 2022, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 2 2022, 10:40 PM)
that dupe again? sounded familiar  ...."brain damage despite stopped facepalming" kaki
i have made some calculation earlier for people  contemplating moving out  to Versa...
but one pretend clever gooroo thought i was  chasing after  extra RM5 for myself!

i would say even above RM50k in KDi, not worth moving out to Versa if you need to move money
in and out like i did in KDI becos Versa is SLOW both ways

WD KDI lose 1 day, deposit Versa lose 2days. I can do that few times a month in KDi, no problem.
but if Versa susah, slow.


He already have more than RM50k in KDI...that is why he asked.
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I checked my November statement for KDI. Return as per KDI statement and calculation is 0.278% for the month, which when multiplied by 12 is only 3.336%. instead of 3.5% EAR...

On a separate note, Touch N Go's Go+ daily return was 3.45% yesterday...

Btw, it is perfectly fine to discuss and reply comments without using derogatory or demeaning words on other forumers. Putting people down doesn't make anybody smarter, it just reflects that you have nothing intellectual to offer any more. This forum is to share info and also find help.
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post Dec 24 2022, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Dec 24 2022, 10:54 AM)
I got 86c interest from TnGo and my balance is about 9,380 yesterday. Works out around 3.334%.

Didn't check my wife's phone today. Her balance also about the same balance as myself. Last few days her interest also around 83 or 84c.
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You're right, I also noticed they paid out earlier than usual, before midnight. It was 87 cents for me and 86 cents before that. Maybe we can take this up in the TNG thread and leave this for KDI discussions.
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post Dec 27 2022, 10:16 PM

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If you had read my post properly, I said as per KDI's statement, my November return was 0.28%, so you would be saying that KDI's calculation is also wrong?

All the other comments about my maths and whether I understand EAR is 3.44% is unnecessary lah...

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Dec 27 2022, 09:56 PM)
since you have purposely tagged me to show KDI is underpaying you,

ok today free i checked  KDI for my son's acc:
Data:

24.12.22 current value 50258.21 returns 640.15

27.12 returns 654.37,

3 days interest = 50258.21 x 3.44% x 3/365
= RM 14.21, perfect

Where got short payment??

Do you know EAR 3.5% is 3.44%?
how did you get it at 3.336%?

if really  3.336% as you claimed i should get RM13.78 ,
nearly 43 sens  difference , cant be rounding off's error .

the fault is in your calculation, not KDI underpaying you.
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post Dec 27 2022, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Dec 27 2022, 11:03 PM)
that is why you dont just read,
must go check it out yourself before you  tried to imply
i was wrong in telling KDI pays exactly as said.

I am sure you know the famous twist and turn guy who has been posting everywhere largely from readings only, talked like a pro in Versa without even have Versa account, perhaps like you la have KDI account still can give the wrong impression to others.

FACT is KDI pays as said, period.

from FIRST hand info with proof.
Not hearsay.
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I've already offered my proof as well, with screenshot. For the month of November, KDI paid 0.28% which definitely isn't 3.44% or 3.5% EAR. This is a cold, hard, fact.

You haven't debunked this fact in your post yet, so the entire post was rather meaningless and didn't add value at all.

I'll give you an even more precise number than 0.28%, it is 0.2831597% from my own calculation on my November returns.
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post Dec 27 2022, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Dec 27 2022, 11:19 PM)
How can you say it is meaningless?

You tried to make an issue KDI doesnt pay EAR 3.5%, IT PAYS only 3.336%

I say NO, you are wrong!
KDI pays meĀ  exact EAR 3.5% ie 3.44%

You are misleading people in here!!
Is this not important for me to point you out?
........come on la
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I already showed you what the Nov rate is based on KDI's own statement!!! And you are ignoring that piece of data. Incredulous!

Edit: I have looked at the numbers further and solved my own mystery. November returns are indeed lesser than a straight line extrapolation to 3.44% based on a 12-month calculation. But I finally realized why now, after finding time to look at it again - it is because November has 30 days, so if I used 365 days then the rate lines up. Along those same lines, December would be paying above 3.44%.

guy3288's daily interest calculation did trigger that thought at the back of my head, so okay, I take it back, it wasn't entirely of no value.

Cheers.

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post Dec 28 2022, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Dec 28 2022, 11:30 AM)
eh guys, isit just me or KDI site is down?

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That's not good. A production database can go down, for a FinTech institution...

Kenanga needs better tech support...

Now we know they use AWS ... and RDS ... and use the 'admin' account to provide DB connectivity...

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post Dec 29 2022, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(lola88 @ Dec 29 2022, 11:21 PM)
Hi if we withdraw money from our FD in
kenanga , the money will be transferred back to bank account via Pacific Trustees?
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Yes.

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