I'm currently deciding between the E300 Bluetec and the E400 of the same generation.

Any user feedbacks?



TIA

More or less the same of you don't bother about the slight bells whistles your get from 400

Hence last time I choose 300.

the hybrid better avoid unless u get new 5 yrs warranty

Choose 400

Avoid bluetech if you don't want headache later.

E300 and E400 comes with the same bells and whistles wor, just that different drivetrain

Okies

What sort of headache should I be expecting? Apart from the batteries - which I already accounted for given that the car is cheaper than the E400 by RM40-50k where it may or may not break under my ownership.

Avoid avoid avoiddddd the bluetec

That's why I said slight

Bluetec is not environment friendly for your wallet in long run.

Got it but what's so big of a dealbreaker here?

The battery failure some even kena bill more than rm100k

Based on e300 group, got ecu kong, got turbo kong etc etc. Not just battery, it also has suspension bottoming out issue

https://www.facebook.com/groups/eclasshybri...83421328575011/

This post has been edited by Boy96: Jan 29 2022, 01:24 PM

E400 all the wayyy

I also wanna know why avoid. Does this have the very expensive to replace run flat tyre also?

Runflat is the least of your concern

I haven't have friend or heard anything about this blue tec thing. Maybe few years ago la in /K that says the car battery expensive. But is that the only concern? Its the same like Prius battery is expensive. But what other problems is there? At least we know now Prius is reliable as a regular corolla besides the expensive battery. But what about bluetec Mercs?

any reason why u want a hybrid ? normal E300 dont want?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/eclasshybrid/

As mentioned above. Its not just the battery, the other hybrid components, plus the engine issue itself (not related to hybrid system), some gearbox issue, some electronics, suspension and audio system issue as well

This post has been edited by Boy96: Jan 29 2022, 01:27 PM

I just browse that page for a while, like every post seems to talk about problems and accesories.

U know it is really bad when this BlueTec depreciates way more than your typical Volvo PHEV of the same class (90 series)

After some thinking, I told myself lets not risk it. However,

- Battery failure, the battery itself I can source it for RM12-15k from China - labour and local tax idk
- Suspension bottoming out - because AMG shocks and spring (aka soft compression for comfort + lowered ride height) not suitable for Malaysia roads - but then can swap out for E250 ones (some did spec this when they bought the car new)

I guess its because of more 'potential' headache - like the people who say VW no good are non-VW owners

I want the E400 frankly speaking. 333hp who don't want lol? Don't think there's local units for the E300, UK/Jap spec not my cup of tea.
And also I don't see myself spending more than RM100k on a car for the time being

Lol tyres shouldnt have been a problem if you are owning these cars.

I wouldn't trust any of hybrid bullshit for now, no matter what manufacturers. They are just shit shows to show their supposed 'green' commitments.

the prefacelift version e200, 200k km but around 4-5 years aged (that time), the ceiling fabric dropped, speakers broke, hard seats and uncomfortable hand rests that's hard too. Doesn't feel as spacious as japanese D segment car. It was fitted with bad tyre and the car's insulation cannot block that tire noise entirely.

This post has been edited by terradrive: Jan 29 2022, 01:45 PM

Yeah, not worth to do all those things when u just gotten the car. Go for e400 straight, debadge and put e200 badge

This post has been edited by Boy96: Jan 29 2022, 01:49 PM

i thought you anti conti car

Already have this badge in mind hahahaha

This is very common for conti cars, E39, E60, PUG 307 face the same issue too

I agree that conti cars feel smaller than Camry and Lexus ES. A common feel when comparing FR cars against FF counterparts

Avoid at all costs. Surely you can smell danger when there's so many W212's in the used market now. The warranty's just expired for many of these cars.

I know an SME who bought 3 units for their family to drive. Sold 2 units and kept 1 unit right as warranty expired. The unit that was kept hasn't given battery issues, but the engine noise and interior in very poor condition now. Build quality is just bad bad bad

But isn't the W212 FL is one of the least problematic E-classes in recent generations?

W211. 30k only.

can the car still working when the electric motor/battery didnt work?

I anti BMW and VW only
Because most of these drivers are cheeabis.

Yes. In sports mode

then okay la to buy, unless the battery itself is weak to crank the engine

The starter battery is independent of the hybrid battery actually haha

beli jer whatever tektek u wan....
new cars now memang not wallet friendly.
apa model lu pilih also die punya.

else beli jer w124,w202,w210
confirm jimat!

tapi tapi.....
camshaft gear selalu makan.
dislocated crank pulley.
SBC is a time bomb.

Scotty Kilmer rates bmw above merz, so that tells you how bad merz is to maintain since he also hates beemer

my dad's w212 banyak masuk bengkel liao. anyway, his model is e300.

no point getting a hybrid now...wait a while for a proper electric the EQE...no duties


This post has been edited by spamfish: Jan 29 2022, 02:35 PM

Yes
But this is a waste of time, effort and money.
But TS, do what you like la.

then just buy lah. no need to ask this ask that - just take the leap of faith

Buying Mercedes in 2022 is just a dumb idea.

The hybrid has some suspension issues due to battery weight. The rear is always scraping humps.

The hybrid is dirt cheap thats why. U can get a 2015 model for only 80k. But make sure u have a trusted workshop to go to for repairs

that's pretty common on conti cars

why get such an old car.

Got a few posters here who are suckers for cars that love spending time in workshop. Cough boy96 cough. Also got that cafe owner who don’t mind his audi that need to replace his engine block because of the driving experience. I guess getting a tow truck because car broke down in middle of nowhere is part of the fun for them.

What? Headliner wear out that fast? I only had headliner fabric torn on a 25 yo Honda.

different material used. after 5-7 years you can see the fabric start sagging

W211 facelift no SBC liao, final edition E230 and E280 are very nice to own

I hate him, so whatever opinion he has is invalid.

E300 pre facelift or the diesel one?

It's only a 1kwH battery so it doesn't weigh as much as a full PHEV's battery. Not only the E300 Bluetec, any AMG suspension W212 face the same issue

Mind you i'm still driving a 2004 Camry

Lmao
Who buys an Audi for the driving experience?!

Camry is unkers God Car

Audi a4 > 3 series. Owai

Vorsprung durch Technik

This post has been edited by diffyhelman2: Jan 29 2022, 02:58 PM

Really?
They solved the nose heavy handling of the longitudinal front engine layout with magic?

Nah.

Just buy Honda city RS i-MMD hybrid enough la. RM106k only.

And less headache since it’s a Japunis car.

Hybrid > all
Honda > all

This post has been edited by Zaryl: Jan 29 2022, 03:11 PM

Or a used Lexus

Honda Hybrid > Used Lexus > all

But that’s the way most all racing cars and rwd are set up. Bmw inline 6 and even Honda s2000 also mounted like that. And weight distribution shifts to the back under acceleration anyway.

This post has been edited by diffyhelman2: Jan 29 2022, 03:22 PM

Honda got glass auto and cvt trans

i dont like the steering feel. heavy n weird.

Volvo v60

211 fl ada abr, but the dreaded camshaft gear issue still there.
230 and 280 i believe u meant the m272 v6?
Ecu kong and the 722.9 tcu also kong.

😂😂

Audi engine layout is ahead of the the front axle
S2000 and BMW 6s are effectively front mid engine because the engines are behind or on top of the front axle.
If Audi and BMW layout the same why Audi no claim 50/50 weight distribution like bmw?
Audi nose heavy engine layout is under steer city all day unless you jam brake, then car can snap from under steer to oversteer.
Haha

2011 pre facelift. i forgot to mention the rooftop is leaking. when its raining, water leaks to the inside.

be mind, this is my father's second conti liao.

Big no to MB hybrids.

Battery replacement issue, have to get extended warranty.
Has poor resale value, worse if no extended warranty
Battery weight = extra wear and tear on suspension, harder on tyres.
A lot of electronics = a lot of expensive things that can go wrong in a hot and humid country, especially with batteries that need cooling. Heat and humidity will mess up a lot of other stuff, like air suspension and anything w rubber seals and gaskets.

Conti cars in general, hybrid and non-hybrid, over 6 years old are a ticking time bomb. Engine/gearbox overhaul, AC system, suspension bushes, struts and steering rack, engine cooling pump, rad and hoses, all sorts of electronic control units and modules, start-stop small battery, and the dreaded sticky plastic door handle curse.

If you can afford, buy a newer petrol conti, with plenty warranty left - downsize if you have to, a 3er or C with a smaller petrol engine. Otherwise go get a Japanese car.

Of course, if you can throw money at problems to solve them, go ahead.

E400

no brainer

3.0L V6 twin tebu

Buying new? Yes . U need the warranty.
Buying used with no warranty hell no

722.9 Conductor plate less than RM2k incl workmanship
ECU can buy from Taobao

Just that cam gear issue makes me stay away

No wonder.

Valid points there. The E300/400 doesn't come with airmatic, so its fine. Gearbox, most likely the conductor plate will fail, turbo hose will bocor, bushes are wear and tear parts so its expected. ABS speed sensor is a common issue with contis, incl VW.

I don't see myself downsizing from my current Camry, 3er or C class is out of the equation. Alternatively, i'm looking at Mark X and GS250 - but they just lack the power that contis can offer

Technically a larger C43 but with 7G-TRONIC, I know but it costs almost twice as more

This post has been edited by ((Xa))0102: Jan 29 2022, 05:37 PM

You sounds just like Scotty kilmer

isnt there another accompaniment to the battery that also costs a bomb, transistor or ..

whats that called again

E400 is a total different league to a E300 blue tech lmao
E400 is a total sleeper with that same twin turbo M276 just like in a w213 E43
Between these definitely the E400 unless you’re looking for a car that saves fuel than it’s the E300

This post has been edited by bigmac999: Jan 29 2022, 06:32 PM

Posting in maintenance nightmare tered

There was a reason Merc decided to throw out their overpriced inferior E class hybrids 4 years ago citing "hybrid subsidy quota dah habis" when other brands were still selling their hybrids no problem also kek

TS sure a different kind of 'woman'. like cars and knows alot abt car technical stuff

Why? What's wrong with it?

How come?

Weather problem?

Conti not meant for hot weather here?

I use to admire BMW 330e.

But seeing all the potential problems not to mention burning my wallet later on, i guess i stick to honda city hybrid i-dcd.

4 years running now. Mileage still 40,000km-ish. Use only for going to work. 24km round trip per day. 10 minutes drive LOL.
For weekends & balik kampung trip, got my wife’s honda BRV.

Touch wood going to use for a very long time, even after the 8th year hybrid warranty ends.

This post has been edited by Zaryl: Jan 29 2022, 07:44 PM

it's a conti thing. even ckd conti also suffered the same thing

if you are not into good handling car, well, just stick to H and T .

yup

E400 anytime anyday .

That V6 engine is basically an entry-level AMG engine nowadays.

e300 bluetec hybrid is diesel right

its has better acceleration and better fuel economy due to diesel/hybrid combo

yup a diesel hybrid 2.1L

good if you are driving on highway frequently

rm350K in 2015, now hovering around rm80K+

and S400L 3.5L 2014 price tag was rm588K, now around rm160K+

hmm...

This post has been edited by JimbeamofNRT: Jan 29 2022, 08:14 PM

Driving a conti, the feel is different. You will never know till you own it. If you keep driving Honda and Toyota, you won't know what you are missing out there. Life is too short to be eating nasi everyday.

Driven before many times. Indeed different. But why own? Just rent la if you want to experience. You will save yourself the experience of maintaining a conti car s as well.

This post has been edited by diffyhelman2: Jan 29 2022, 09:22 PM

Poor ppl stick with P1 and P2. Here not your level.

bluetec hybrid is an old and discontinued hybrid series.
basically a failure catered to small country to ROI their investment

W212 is one helluva tough car. Try slam the door and u’ll know it’s like a bank vault…

better than the previous model

oo yea just jalan2 at mudah to see the price this afternoon. partly i agree lah hehe.

but me myself use normal bluetec only, ECO start stop. not the hybrid power units all.

so no idea about bluetec hybrid.

nak justify purchase and look cooler / wiser jer hehehehe

jangan di layan perangai macam ni.

humble brag katanya.

I'd rather pay 2k roadtax every year than pay 20k for hybrid-related repair every year

Big NO to hybrid.

Same je, only difference is the clunk of the door.