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post Jan 6 2022, 10:07 AM, updated 4y ago

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I’ve been watching a lot of design videos in Singapore particularly of the HDB variety and I’ve found that most blocks are 20-30 floors. Those higher than this are a relative minority.

It occurred to me that 50+ Floor developments are becoming increasingly common in KV. Question is why is this necessary and will the town planning departments take accountability for flooding the market and creating this property overhang situation? It seems like the density per acre is almost higher than Singapore.
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post Jan 6 2022, 11:05 AM

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so the developer can earn more ma
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post Jan 6 2022, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Jan 6 2022, 10:07 AM)
I’ve been watching a lot of design videos in Singapore particularly of the HDB variety and I’ve found that most blocks are 20-30 floors. Those higher than this are a relative minority.

It occurred to me that 50+ Floor developments are becoming increasingly common in KV. Question is why is this necessary and will the town planning departments take accountability for flooding the market and creating this property overhang situation? It seems like the density per acre is almost higher than Singapore.
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Buyers have a choice whether to buy or abstain.

As long it meets 'planning requirements', is left to developers how they want to dispose those units.

Caveat emptor .... buy and dont complaint later.
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post Jan 6 2022, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Jan 6 2022, 10:07 AM)
I’ve been watching a lot of design videos in Singapore particularly of the HDB variety and I’ve found that most blocks are 20-30 floors. Those higher than this are a relative minority.

It occurred to me that 50+ Floor developments are becoming increasingly common in KV. Question is why is this necessary and will the town planning departments take accountability for flooding the market and creating this property overhang situation? It seems like the density per acre is almost higher than Singapore.
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Singapore has better town planning, Malaysia has better songlapping.

Here plot ratio can change as per $$$.

Take retention ponds as example.


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post Jan 6 2022, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jan 6 2022, 12:51 PM)
Buyers have a choice whether to buy or abstain.

As long it meets 'planning requirements', is left to developers how they want to dispose those units.

Caveat emptor .... buy and dont complaint later.
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That’s a poor excuse because we here have a culture of not questioning how or why things are done a certain way. A lot of it is admittedly less exposure to what’s outside this country.

There’s nothing wrong in calling out poor planning or standards otherwise how does one improve.

That’s a complete lack of empathy for first time home buyers who bought in places like Cyberjaya or Sungai Buloh etc and see their equity fall by half.

This post has been edited by Cavatzu: Jan 6 2022, 03:01 PM
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post Jan 6 2022, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Jan 6 2022, 02:55 PM)
That’s a poor excuse because we here have a culture of not questioning how or why things are done a certain way. A lot of it is admittedly less exposure to what’s outside this country.

There’s nothing wrong in calling out poor planning or standards otherwise how does one improve.

That’s a complete lack of empathy for first time home buyers who bought in places like Cyberjaya or Sungai Buloh etc and see their equity fall by half.
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Majority who held properties in such areas are mere speculators and NOT homeowners.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Jan 6 2022, 06:07 PM
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post Jan 6 2022, 06:55 PM

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Well the person I know I’d say was ill-informed or misguided. The property bull run of 2014 did a number on many.
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post Jan 12 2022, 10:03 PM

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Yes, higher the plot ratio the higher the profit margin.
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post Jan 13 2022, 09:46 AM

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I get it. I just don’t get the approval for the heights and density.

It’s on town planning to demonstrate the vision and match that with organic population growth.
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post Jan 13 2022, 09:59 AM

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In Bolehland... untung depan mata > environmental, health, economical and whatsoever moral values you can say out
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post Jan 13 2022, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(C_ST @ Jan 13 2022, 09:59 AM)
In Bolehland... untung depan mata > environmental, health, economical and whatsoever moral values you can say out
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post Jan 13 2022, 02:11 PM

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Logically thinking, Singapore is a small place. Imagine what happens if it's dotted with many tall buildings. Lots of wind will be blocked off and that's not good for ventilation. The whole island will be an oven.
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post Jan 13 2022, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(chiwawa10 @ Jan 13 2022, 02:11 PM)
Logically thinking, Singapore is a small place. Imagine what happens if it's dotted with many tall buildings. Lots of wind will be blocked off and that's not good for ventilation. The whole island will be an oven.
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New estate and tall buildings, during design stage they will go through some kind of computer aided wind modeling.

Placement of building will ensure that their alignment cause least wind resistance, and allow the wind to pass through to provide max ventilation and to reduce heat. Which is slowly becoming an issue due to climate change.
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post Jan 13 2022, 02:50 PM

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but the owner (developer) will listen to professionals ?

they just wish to optimise the profit..

i am more worry about fire incident for tall building if it happen...
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QUOTE(forever1979 @ Jan 13 2022, 02:50 PM)
but the owner (developer) will listen to professionals ?

they just wish to optimise the profit..

i am more worry about fire incident for tall building if it happen...
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I think maybe is another way round, 'professionals' that tell developer how to earn to the max

Agreed.
Probably during approval stages, such escape plan sure perfect and meet all standards.
But when product is out... well, good luck when fire..
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post Jan 13 2022, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(darksideofthemoon @ Jan 13 2022, 02:21 PM)
New estate and tall buildings, during design stage they will go through some kind of computer aided wind modeling.

Placement of building will ensure that their alignment cause least wind resistance, and allow the wind to pass through to provide max ventilation and to reduce heat. Which is slowly becoming an issue due to climate change.
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Yep. Imagine that in a (concentrated) small piece of land and their people will be cooked.
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post Jan 18 2022, 01:17 AM

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I think the property market in Malaysia is really slowing down. All developers are building higher and higher up when the market demand for property in Malaysia does not have such demand. So many units not able to rent out and owners are renting out at a large loss margin now.
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post Jan 18 2022, 08:56 AM

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Even Singapore had oversupply issues I think a few years back and experienced a period of stagnant prices.

The plot density of new developments in KV greatly exceeds theirs so that’s a lengthy period of oversupply with decreasing demand. Just because you can build 50/60 storey towers doesn’t mean you should.
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post Jan 18 2022, 08:59 AM

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The higher the condo, the fresher the air on top.
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post Jan 18 2022, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(cablesguy @ Jan 6 2022, 01:21 PM)
Singapore has better town planning, Malaysia has better songlapping.

Here plot ratio can change as per $$$.

Take retention ponds as example.
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If Singapore has high population, you thinkthey will still stop at 50 floor?

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