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 We don't clean up non Muslim house of worship

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post Dec 30 2021, 07:12 PM

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Pi mampuih la dia ni. I don't like him very long dy
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(Forumer Bertaraf Menteri @ Dec 30 2021, 07:11 PM)
idk. u tell me.
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I didn't mention anything about court. You did it first so why don't you tell me?
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ Dec 30 2021, 07:12 PM)
I didn't mention anything about court. You did it first so why don't you tell me?
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ahhh...maybe u the one with prejudice and pubemouth. u should 14th floor to clean ur mind.
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(Forumer Bertaraf Menteri @ Dec 30 2021, 07:14 PM)
ahhh...maybe u the one with prejudice and pubemouth. u should 14th floor to clean ur mind.
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How?
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ Dec 30 2021, 07:15 PM)
How?
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idk. u tell me.
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:16 PM

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post Dec 30 2021, 07:16 PM

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the ustaz have a point though. you need to look at the whole speech.

in his words, the is a hadith where muhammad shows cleaning up the mosque is an honourable thing to do.

so from this hadith, the ulamas conjectured that cleaning up other worship house is akin to honouring the other religion. hence it reaches "syirik" (polytheism).

furthermore, there is no pressing necessity to clean up other worship house.

this is what i think. but the ustaz maybe forgot this polemic started in the midst and context of flood disaster. so maybe other muftis can detail and outline the fatwa needed.


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post Dec 30 2021, 07:16 PM

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Extremists, discriminate other ppl can. If other ppl discriminate them, scream injustice
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(Forumer Bertaraf Menteri @ Dec 30 2021, 07:15 PM)
idk. u tell me.
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Well you are the one who agree with this pubemouth ustaz,not me. Then suddenly merepek about court? What court you haven't answeredy question yet. You and this ustaz dah mabuk ketum together issit?
QUOTE(Forumer Bertaraf Menteri @ Dec 30 2021, 05:47 PM)
betul la tu.
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QUOTE(Forumer Bertaraf Menteri @ Dec 30 2021, 07:09 PM)
you say me? in what merit? can bring to court?
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:18 PM

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post Dec 30 2021, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(hirano @ Dec 30 2021, 07:12 PM)
Pi mampuih la dia ni. I don't like him very long dy
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Problem is some think he is like god..how?
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(hotdayum @ Dec 30 2021, 07:09 PM)

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i don't think he answer the question at all?.... grave visit vs cleaning temple totally two different things ma. no?

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post Dec 30 2021, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(AdisonMak @ Dec 30 2021, 07:22 PM)
i don't think he answer the question at all?.... grave visit vs cleaning temple totally two different things ma. no?
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He said the Prophet Muhammad honored the grave of the person who had been cleaning the mosque.

Then he said to not join the cleaning of temple. It separates those who have iman and those who don't, according to him.
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 07:16 PM)
the ustaz have a point though. you need to look at the whole speech.

in his words, the is a hadith where muhammad shows cleaning up the mosque is an honourable thing to do.

so from this hadith, the ulamas conjectured that cleaning up other worship house is akin to honouring the other religion. hence it reaches "syirik" (polytheism).

furthermore, there is no pressing necessity to clean up other worship house.

this is what i think. but the ustaz maybe forgot this polemic started in the midst and context of flood disaster. so maybe other muftis can detail and outline the fatwa needed.
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everyone has a point based on their religion, so as those suicide bomber. same thing.
but then in Msia, the nons always being labeled as reluctant to assimilate with the Malay. And yet, this religious leader keep on saying things that might makes the nons feeling bit uneasy. in the end, it will be salahan nons, so typical.
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(hotdayum @ Dec 30 2021, 07:26 PM)
He said the Prophet Muhammad honored the grave of the person who had been cleaning the mosque.

Then he said to not join the cleaning of temple. It separates those who have iman and those who don't, according to him.
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He’s projecting two different things

I am sure our Prophet would encourage muslims to help others that are in need of help, regardless of religion or race
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ Dec 30 2021, 07:18 PM)
Well you are the one who agree with this pubemouth ustaz,not me. Then suddenly merepek about court? What court you haven't answeredy question yet. You and this ustaz dah mabuk ketum together issit?
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ye ke. who say? why u keliru? u mudah keliru is it?
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:30 PM

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ustaz ni yang agak wahabi/salafi pun melarang perbuatan mencuci rumah ibadah agama lain.

kalau ulamak pondok melarang, ulamak wahabi pun melarang, aku tak tahu nak kata apa lagi.

dalam hal ni aku lagi suka kalau kita tunggu fatwa mufti. malangnya masih belum ada apa2 statement dari jabatan mufti perlis (walaupun perlis agak wahabi).

pada orang awam macam kita yang masih ragu2, tambahan pula dalam keadaan darurat macam ni, teruskan sajalah. kita tawakal saja kerana autoriti sendiri belum ada guideline yang jelas.
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(Forumer Bertaraf Menteri @ Dec 30 2021, 07:30 PM)
ye ke. who say? why u keliru? u mudah keliru is it?
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ye ke. who say? why u keliru? u mudah keliru is it?
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Dec 30 2021, 07:28 PM)
He’s projecting two different things

I am sure our Prophet would encourage muslims to help others that are in need of help, regardless of religion or race
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That was what should be. That's all ayam want to say.
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ Dec 30 2021, 07:31 PM)
ye ke. who say? why u keliru? u mudah keliru is it?
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ye ke. who say? why u keliru? u mudah keliru is it?

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