QUOTE(yuen300 @ Dec 20 2021, 02:07 PM)
That is why I admire those houseowners would dare to haggle with constructor worker. For me, I only proceed if the price he quote is okay.
I also admire my "stupidness".. Bad Reno Experience
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Jan 7 2022, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(kimteck @ Jan 7 2022, 05:30 PM) Don't blame yourself too much. After reviewing the item price, I think you are paying current market prices. There won't be perfect renovations.QUOTE(kimteck @ Dec 18 2021, 03:57 PM) I have some sleepless night as feel like I being "diok" become "water fish". A simple plan to move in a 1044 ft unit need RM 100k. What kind of TV feature wall worth RM 5000? Customized TV feature wall of RM 5000 is considered as cheap if you are using plywood laminate. QUOTE(kimteck @ Dec 18 2021, 03:57 PM) 2. Last minute work and demand you to reply/agree where work about to commence within 1- 2 days Same practices also. I had one renovation and this round is 2nd sites. Two different contractors but the same style. My current ones have been hacking the concrete several rounds because the plumber placed the concealed pipes wrongly. He constantly blame the drawings. All these contractors build based on their experiences and senses. They don't look at the drawings until the owners spot the mistakes. 3. Didn't go through the details of the drawings , and I had to go through myself. When you asking for some clarification, she answered I already sent you the info right. If you overlook it, jialat. Like what I overlooked the distance from kitchen countertop to wall hung base cabinet as I trusted her profession .. ( I had 8++ mm..) . Later I found up my ideal distance is 760 mm 4. I spot a few mistakes in the drawings, and she has never admitted. QUOTE(kimteck @ Dec 19 2021, 11:40 AM) Price Per Points For these charges, this ID company marked up 10%. It is usual because she has to design the location of the switches, power points. As an end users, we may not come out final design/location. But, there are industry practices e.g. the switches are located 1m above the ground, the power should be 500mm above or 300mm above, and etc. The designer has to have knowledge to prepare the drawing for the electricians to work. Supervise them to work. For my case, the 20A point I am paying RM 331.20 (i.e. RM 288 +15% contractor mark-up) , 13A points I am paying RM 126.50 (RM110 + 15% contractor mark-up). For my case, it was a contractual price I signed with the main con back in Aug 2020!downlight/track light points 88 LED light points (built in) 95 pendant light point 140 wall light points 140 ceiling fan points 140 install 13 A points 140 install 15 A points 275 install 20 A point 330 Overall, I think you are paying the current market price for engaging an ID company or main con. So, don't be over upset. Just enjoy once your renovation is over. My two cents. YH820 liked this post
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Jan 8 2022, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE(ongss @ Jan 8 2022, 08:56 AM) Don't blame yourself too much. After reviewing the item price, I think you are paying current market prices. There won't be perfect renovations. Thanks a lot sharing your experience with me ! May I know what's the distance from your kitchen countertop to base of the wall hung cabinet ? Customized TV feature wall of RM 5000 is considered as cheap if you are using plywood laminate. Same practices also. I had one renovation and this round is 2nd sites. Two different contractors but the same style. My current ones have been hacking the concrete several rounds because the plumber placed the concealed pipes wrongly. He constantly blame the drawings. All these contractors build based on their experiences and senses. They don't look at the drawings until the owners spot the mistakes. For these charges, this ID company marked up 10%. It is usual because she has to design the location of the switches, power points. As an end users, we may not come out final design/location. But, there are industry practices e.g. the switches are located 1m above the ground, the power should be 500mm above or 300mm above, and etc. The designer has to have knowledge to prepare the drawing for the electricians to work. Supervise them to work. For my case, the 20A point I am paying RM 331.20 (i.e. RM 288 +15% contractor mark-up) , 13A points I am paying RM 126.50 (RM110 + 15% contractor mark-up). For my case, it was a contractual price I signed with the main con back in Aug 2020! Overall, I think you are paying the current market price for engaging an ID company or main con. So, don't be over upset. Just enjoy once your renovation is over. My two cents. |
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QUOTE(kimteck @ Jan 8 2022, 12:00 PM) Thanks a lot sharing your experience with me ! May I know what's the distance from your kitchen countertop to base of the wall hung cabinet ? 800mm + too-, some of the parts, e.g. the ball bearing drawer slides, are standard size. Even disk washers that some people put below the kitchen counter are designed around this size. |
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Jan 8 2022, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(kimteck @ Jan 8 2022, 02:48 PM) Opp, I might have misunderstand your statement. I am too used to the idea of 800mm.No, for that area, my current apartment is the same like the drawing i.e. 22" / 560mm. The drawing is 27 11/16" + 22" + 32 3/16" and mine is 30" (760mm) + 22" (560mm) + 33 7/8" (860mm actually 60 is for platform, the cabinet is 800mm tall only). Previously, when I had that design, it was due to the height of the sliding door separate my kitchen from dining and living room. I think they will try to match the height of the door enter your kitchen and the cabinet. |
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Jan 9 2022, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE(ongss @ Jan 8 2022, 08:04 PM) Opp, I might have misunderstand your statement. I am too used to the idea of 800mm. I have 33 5/58" + 32 9/32 " (820mm) + 35 7/16" (100mm as platform). And I was blamed for changing their measurement..No, for that area, my current apartment is the same like the drawing i.e. 22" / 560mm. The drawing is 27 11/16" + 22" + 32 3/16" and mine is 30" (760mm) + 22" (560mm) + 33 7/8" (860mm actually 60 is for platform, the cabinet is 800mm tall only). Previously, when I had that design, it was due to the height of the sliding door separate my kitchen from dining and living room. I think they will try to match the height of the door enter your kitchen and the cabinet. This post has been edited by kimteck: Jan 9 2022, 02:08 PM |
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Jan 9 2022, 02:27 PM
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Hello guys, just want to ask what is the normal practice for electrical work? My cabling was done without conduit/ trunking system and I was told by the contractor because the work is minimal so not need conduit. Is it true? bobowyc liked this post
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Hi TS,
Thanks for sharing your experience here. Do keep us updated with your renovation progress. I am eager to see how it goes. A friend of mine is expecting her house keys sometime after CNY, so I am helping her out by gathering quotation for renovation and stuff. |
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QUOTE(kimteck @ Dec 18 2021, 04:57 PM) As my connection is not that "powerful", I had to find a reno company online. Here to share some of my experience/ journey to this 1000 sqft unit renovation in KL: many com man out there ...from contractors to repair service tech. At first, I found 3 quotations online for simple reno as below: 1. Wiring - all 13A powerpoints, light/ ceiling fan installation 2. Kitchen cabinet, and 3 rooms wardrobe 3. 2 toilets cabinet/ shower screens 4. Entrance grill door and backyard windows 5. Touch up painting after the work 6. All windows curtain 7. TV board and TV console at living room It looks basic things to me so I budgeted around Rm 50k for a small unit. Ended up all 3 quotations coming back close to RM 80k. So I chose one that just started the business and hope she could do all the best for building her rapport. That's when "vomit blood" communication starts after you paid your first deposit So the common "market rules" are like this, if you're not aware of: a. 40-50 % deposit (roughly) b. 20-30 % before start work c. 15%-25% upon 50-80% completion d. 5% upon completion At stage A, you give them the house plan, your idea, they give you a rough quotation, without site measurement, no itemized quotation. According to them, itemized quotation can only be given after you pay the deposit , and site visit, which is Stage B. - Finalizing the plan & quotation. After adjusting and tuning the final quotation with "current market price", they give you another itemized quotation to proceed to stage B to start the work. Guess what, my stage A RM 80k quotation increased close to RM 100k at stage b. So what had been deviated from my original plan? 1. M&E Rewiring all light points/ceiling fan points with plaster ceiling , as concealed wiring at ceiling slab is not recommended. I listed down roughly the number for you to judge: ~ 18-20 downlights, 5-6 mounted lights, 7-10 cabinet LED , 1 pendant, 2-3 track lights, 20-25 nos 13A points, relocate DB , relocate switches, & install ceiling fan 2. Carpentry - plywood laminate ~ took out bedrooms wardrobe as cant afford ~Do kitchen cabinet, master bedroom wardrobe, TV wall & console, toilets cabinet/ under sink cabinet ~ To be continued - Part 2 Pray for decent work when come to actual site job. All the best to me. Hope can share more happiness rather than frustration. you need to do your homework to select . and arm your self with some knowledge. |
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QUOTE(kimteck @ Jan 9 2022, 02:07 PM) I have 33 5/58" + 32 9/32 " (820mm) + 35 7/16" (100mm as platform). And I was blamed for changing their measurement.. 820mm - I think that is too high even if you are using those pull down shelves.You should ask her to fix it or you go to consumer tribunal to complain https://www.kpdnhep.gov.my/en/consumerism/c...-procedure.html |
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QUOTE(sawhueijye @ Jan 9 2022, 02:27 PM) Hello guys, just want to ask what is the normal practice for electrical work? My cabling was done without conduit/ trunking system and I was told by the contractor because the work is minimal so not need conduit. Is it true? Normally, the wire should be in the UPVC Conduit pipe and concealed in the wall. If I were you, I would ask what is his definition of "minimal"? |
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Jan 9 2022, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE(ongss @ Jan 9 2022, 05:54 PM) 820mm - I think that is too high even if you are using those pull down shelves. I requested to change , same goes to gas stove countertop , 900mm, with wok stand height, my wok will be placed at 968mm , how to carry the stainless steel wok when cooking ?You should ask her to fix it or you go to consumer tribunal to complain https://www.kpdnhep.gov.my/en/consumerism/c...-procedure.html Now saying I'm changing the drawings , so have to delay the project till the drawings is fixed. I am now the one being blamed by architect due to her 'no common sense ' design. Pity me This post has been edited by kimteck: Jan 9 2022, 10:25 PM |
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Jan 9 2022, 10:27 PM
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Ill do a quick share of mine.
1) When asked if there will be canvas protection, he said yes. Turns out is just a plastic sheet, everything else not covered. So my floor full of dust now. I will most probably also need to find a cleaning team to floor polish back my tiles. 2) He measure the areas himself, he himself also can get the measurements wrong. Im not referring to 1-2cm off. I am referring to 20-30cm off. Example windows. 3) Forgot something dont want admit. Come up with 1001 excuses 4) When ask if his main con doing the work, he say yes. Turns out is sub con. 5) Intially when ask for timeline, he say 2 weeks because the work is minor wet works. Now is already closing 3 months. This has caused all my other stuff like carpentry all delayed indefinitely. All the best to you bro. |
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QUOTE(kimteck @ Jan 9 2022, 09:54 PM) I requested to change , same goes to gas stove countertop , 900mm, with wok stand height, my wok will be placed at 968mm , how to carry the stainless steel wok when cooking ? My cases are worse than yours. Now saying I'm changing the drawings , so have to delay the project till the drawings is fixed. I am now the one being blamed by architect due to her 'no common sense ' design. Pity me RC slabs and beams casted and then found problems. Need to hack and repair the structures. Then, sewage pipes positioned wrongly - not only once but multiple times. Roof requirements told. But, when the subcon came, not the design I specified. So, I have to create a whatsapp group to include my wife. Just in case my phone is not working, I have a backup to show him that I specified my requirements. Of course, he blamed I frequently change the design. This post has been edited by ongss: Jan 9 2022, 10:59 PM |
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QUOTE(sawhueijye @ Jan 9 2022, 02:27 PM) Hello guys, just want to ask what is the normal practice for electrical work? My cabling was done without conduit/ trunking system and I was told by the contractor because the work is minimal so not need conduit. Is it true? Tell him its for the safety purposes to lay cable in the conduit. To avoid unnecessary cable damage when user doing some drilling work in the future. |
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QUOTE(enduser @ Jan 10 2022, 08:01 AM) Tell him its for the safety purposes to lay cable in the conduit. To avoid unnecessary cable damage when user doing some drilling work in the future. Very unfortunate that the renovation is at final stage and touch up only. All wiring & painting works have been completed. So guess it is too late to ask him to redo.However, is there any issue if the wires were lay in the wall instead of the conduit? 1. Will the cable spoil/ short circuit in the future? I am using Mega Cable. 2. Anything I need to take note/ take care other than drilling work in the future? QUOTE(ongss @ Jan 9 2022, 06:06 PM) Normally, the wire should be in the UPVC Conduit pipe and concealed in the wall. If I were you, I would ask what is his definition of "minimal"? He said it is normal practice for them to lay the wire in the wall as I am using Mega Cable and in order for him to lay conduit then he has to drill deeper into the wall which is not practical for condominium. I was only told about this after the work done. |
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QUOTE(sawhueijye @ Jan 10 2022, 02:06 PM) Very unfortunate that the renovation is at final stage and touch up only. All wiring & painting works have been completed. So guess it is too late to ask him to redo. 1. the cable by itself is ok, quality cable u used there. However, is there any issue if the wires were lay in the wall instead of the conduit? 1. Will the cable spoil/ short circuit in the future? I am using Mega Cable. . If already plaster not much to do, juat insist them to do megger test to check the insulation. U try google megger test and look at youtube video , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exAacHLk9jQ |
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QUOTE(sawhueijye @ Jan 10 2022, 02:06 PM) Very unfortunate that the renovation is at final stage and touch up only. All wiring & painting works have been completed. So guess it is too late to ask him to redo. Ya, newer condo are using concrete or precast concrete slab. It is difficult to drill concrete. However, is there any issue if the wires were lay in the wall instead of the conduit? 1. Will the cable spoil/ short circuit in the future? I am using Mega Cable. 2. Anything I need to take note/ take care other than drilling work in the future? He said it is normal practice for them to lay the wire in the wall as I am using Mega Cable and in order for him to lay conduit then he has to drill deeper into the wall which is not practical for condominium. I was only told about this after the work done. Currently I am staying in a condo. When I installed my TV rack several years back, the technician complained that he had to consume one drill head for each hole he drilled. Cables are different from those wires used in the extension cords and they are durables. |
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engaging ID companies made me feel like I'm in dark, and they are the boss.
I don't have sufficient knowledge and ideas in renovation, that's why finding ID companies. But they simply put sales person to give me rough quotation, without providing any useful feedback. Keep pushing to sign and pay few thousands only can start to get ID person onboard. |
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