Anything that uses " believe " and " faith " in order for it to be real, are usually not real. That is why it needs your faith and believe. But faith and believe changes nothing. The only thing it change is yourself. Blue color paper won't change to red if you believed it actually is red. Claimant always have the burden of proof. The society has over time failed in understanding this. They will challenge the denier to show their proof instead. And I always gave the example of, if I claim your mother is a prostitute before you were born and you deny it. Who has the burden of proof?

They actually care about the proof. Both parties. Even those who are so called consistently getting the ROI( Which I don't know cause they havent shown me prove as well ). They went in because they were " convinced by someone " via some form of " proof ". When you ask them to give you RM5000 and you will return to them RM7000 within 1 week because you have a successful business that generates RM20,000 monthly consistently, they won't give you RM5000 without prove.

The problem here isn't with people not wanting prove. People do want prove. Its about people's ability to discern what is logical, what can be considered as prove and how to validate that proof. That lack of ability to critically arrived at that, is the problem. It requires a certain level of sense and intelligent. Need not be too smart. At least of average. So for those who cannot discern what can be considered prove and what cannot, you know where they stand, cognitively.

Actually, the one who have vested interested should care for proof MORE than the one who is just sitting at the side watching. Because we have nothing to lose. They do. To most, we are proven wrong. We don't lose anything. We may end up learning something.

This post has been edited by Zeuscronus: Dec 8 2022, 11:55 AM

Tat is why I say, their ability to discern what is proof and how to validate them, failed. What they only hear, is pattern through testimonials. Not prove. Pattern of money being taken in and given out. They did not get any proof of the legitimacy of the investment engine and transaction of the investment done, audits, etc.

Pattern of payment is not proof something is real. If I can consistently predict the next who wins a football match for the next 3 to 4 matches, it proof a pattern, but it does not proof I know for sure.

Hence my theory that they are incapable of discerning what is credible proof to examine the financial engine's genuinity

I won't deny sap sap or not la. But losing also has equal opportunities. When the presented story is only a sure win position, that's when I think something is wrong.

I beg to differ on the genuinity of financial engine. I would like to ask, do you think RHB Investment/EPF would invest in TriumphFX based on the given data? If not, why not? If they have a reason why they cannot or should not, that is already their capability ( via SOP, via guidelines ) of not to invest because it isn't credible.

Sometimes investors knows from the system that it isn't sustainable. But refuse to see it because if they were to choose to see and acknowledge it, they wouldn't go in. If they don't go in, they will miss out any opportunity that " might " be real. So it's like a FOMO position. It isn't too hard to discern that Triumphfx is a scam.

To be honest, the first time I ever hear and see it was from my wife, telling me her auntie is doing this an enjoying life and is asking her also to start investing a little bit. When presented with the benefit and return, some funny looking PDF statement of account from someone's earning, I conclude it's 80% scam. Because it matches almost everything of what a Ponzi Scam does. The other 20% isn't because they do it right, but because I am giving them a benefit of doubt that at first instance it might be wrongly presented. But after a while, the data is correctly presented, so for me its a scam.

Am I tempted? Sure. I have to be honest, not at first, but half way through this year, watching my wife's aunt going to Dubai, Bhutan, luxurious cruise holiday all add up to be a continuous 30 days holiday, makes me ask myself...what if I also put some money ( despite it being a scam ) and earn it first then run?

Why I didn't its because, I dont know which level of this ponzi is at now. Because it will come to an end. What if I entered at 90% of its life and I am left with 10% time? So for that reason, I tell myself no.

Again that's my way. I still have a chance of being wrong la...but if this Triumphfx ended in the way we all predict it would end, then I am not wrong. And I have not been wrong in several other scams over the years portraying the same engine of presentation. If I got this one right too, then I know every other in the future should be the same. In law there is a principle they call " treat like cases, alike " . If the pattern match, treat it the same. If its a scam previously, its a scam on this one too.

Oh well, no la, my wife also thinks the same. She is also financially sound, thankfully. She is tempted too like me and its worst for her, cause her aunt will pose her luxury in her whatsapp family group. On top of that, her aunt dragged in two more of the relative to go in and they too, go for holidays non stop.

But I am glad la that I never fell into any in my life. Lucky for me, I was exposed to Lampe Berger since my college days, like over 20 years ago. I didn't put anything into it.

I don't have 1k to spare? No, I don't. I have a lot to pay for, kids, car, homes. The kids school is already taking up a lot for me. So if I have any spare, I would keep it for emergency or some other more sound and safe investment. Spare 1k for investment? Can. Spare 1k for a con? No. Better use it to belanja good friends or family makan with 1k, I at least get some love and care in return.

I don't follow their progress in detail, but how do you exchange coins into cash in a close loop crypto? There are only two parties that would buy up the coins

1. TriumphFx
2. Other investors

Its like buying a currency in a game to buy products within the game. If I want to change those currency back into cash, either another player buy up my coins or the game producer themselves pay me up with their money. For the sake of discussion, assuming the coin is genuine, how do they make this work? And the previous XX% monthly from investment, holding XX amount of TFX coin, are investors still entitled to get that percentage in their coins?

Like if you have 1000 coins, if its 10% per month, do I get 100 coins in the next month?

The worst are those who dragged their family members in as downline to enrich themselves.

USDT also blocked?? Block the coin I understand la....USDT also block hai lat....it's like a money swallowing machine. What goes in also die. At this point I think you insert banana inside also cannot withdraw.

Till now I still have friends who already in pain when they switched to coin and over time, conditioned themselves to now tell me, don't worry, money still there, can take out, just that no one want to take out now due to low pricing. When I hear conversation like this it breaks my heart. It sounded desperate and logically I know they know this is quite a gone case. But because if they choose to believe otherwise, they will jump off a building. So their self defense mechanism tell them to believe stories and excuses like this instead.

The switching from cash to coins without consent is already wrong to begin with. These victims are like domestic abuse victim where their only hope is their spouse, so they get whacked and whacked, yet they believe their spouse is under stress, they will change, this is just temporary.

Some leave the relationship after a few broken bones, some, just get killed .

Hallelujah the coin price has touched 0.168 and the amount of investors cursing them on their FB page is the only thing that increase exponentially.