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post Sep 5 2021, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(tishaban @ Sep 5 2021, 08:47 PM)
Nice!

I would guess that if that company was a big company or multinational, that role had a salary range and the lowest they could pay you was RM5.6k
Still as long as it benefits you then no harm done.
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maybe...... haha...
soules83
post Sep 6 2021, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(Obosh @ Sep 5 2021, 10:16 AM)
Not always true smile.gif

There are some SMEs that understands that if they pay peanuts, they get ....

Also in MNCs typically the hiring manager is willing to pay any amount - it is the HR dept that is trying to lowball but unless the pay is way off the payscale, the hiring manager will get his/her way.
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Oh boy. As far as I know, the only possible way for mnc to provide good offer is the pay is off the payscale for that particular title. But back to that point, what makes Hiring manager to hire someone from lesser experience in compare with someone with already similar experience?

If I'm the hiring manager, I would always pick the one with most experience and if possible someone who hop from same position to similar position.
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post Sep 6 2021, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(soules83 @ Sep 6 2021, 09:46 AM)
Oh boy. As far as I know, the only possible way for mnc to provide good offer is the pay is off the payscale for that particular title. But back to that point, what makes Hiring manager to hire someone from lesser experience in compare with someone with already similar experience?

If I'm the hiring manager, I would always pick the one with most experience and if possible someone who hop from same position to similar position.
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Not every hiring manager would prefer experienced candidates, especially if they're insecure.
contestchris
post Sep 6 2021, 07:44 PM

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The best negotiation tactic is the willingness to walk away.

State a number. Stand firm. You will have to reject a lot of offers. It's okay. Then one day, BAM, someone will be willing to match.

Malaysian banks and financial institutions are the worst. But even MNC can be really shitty. Got one German FI subsidiary, two rounds interview (until with CEO himself), I clearly stated I would want nothing less than RM6.5k. They had the balls to offer me RM5.5k. Heck even their ad said RM6k to RM9k. Reject terus. Really just buang masa.

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post Sep 6 2021, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Sep 6 2021, 07:44 PM)
The best negotiation tactic is the willingness to walk away.

State a number. Stand firm. You will have to reject a lot of offers. It's okay. Then one day, BAM, someone will be willing to match.

Malaysian banks and financial institutions are the worst. But even MNC can be really shitty. Got one German FI subsidiary, two rounds interview (until with CEO himself), I clearly stated I would want nothing less than RM6.5k. They had the balls to offer me RM5.5k. Heck even their ad said RM6k to RM9k. Reject terus. Really just buang masa.
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How old are you and what do you do????????
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post Sep 7 2021, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(hustlingsalaryman @ Sep 3 2021, 08:51 AM)
in an optimal setting, employer should pay according to market rate. ie. manager should get this much, supervisor get this much, etc.

but in malaysia, many employers look at current salary, give a 15-20% hike if they're generous, and negotiate from there.

the positions are secondary, if your salary bracket falls under 'manager', they'll give you the manager position.
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Pathetic but bloody true… cry.gif
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post Sep 7 2021, 02:37 AM

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QUOTE(soules83 @ Sep 6 2021, 09:46 AM)
Oh boy. As far as I know, the only possible way for mnc to provide good offer is the pay is off the payscale for that particular title. But back to that point, what makes Hiring manager to hire someone from lesser experience in compare with someone with already similar experience?

If I'm the hiring manager, I would always pick the one with most experience and if possible someone who hop from same position to similar position.
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Somehow I don’t understand what’s the purpose if jump to same position with increment of just a few hundreds but lots of uncertainty. unsure.gif
soules83
post Sep 7 2021, 08:48 AM

Hohoho I dunno
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QUOTE(RollInTheDark @ Sep 7 2021, 02:37 AM)
Somehow I don’t understand what’s the purpose if jump to same position with increment of just a few hundreds but lots of uncertainty.  unsure.gif
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some position have huge pay gap. So its not just few hundreds. But at the same times, you might surprised how some hiring manager's offer looks like. For e.g., you applied for senior manager at xyz and they come back offer you the same manager position you have at your current company.
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post Sep 7 2021, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(RollInTheDark @ Sep 7 2021, 02:37 AM)
Somehow I don’t understand what’s the purpose if jump to same position with increment of just a few hundreds but lots of uncertainty.  unsure.gif
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Could be due to the work environment, issues with reporting managers etc. I have some colleagues who quit due to those reasons.
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post Sep 7 2021, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Sep 6 2021, 07:44 PM)
The best negotiation tactic is the willingness to walk away.

State a number. Stand firm. You will have to reject a lot of offers. It's okay. Then one day, BAM, someone will be willing to match.

Malaysian banks and financial institutions are the worst. But even MNC can be really shitty. Got one German FI subsidiary, two rounds interview (until with CEO himself), I clearly stated I would want nothing less than RM6.5k. They had the balls to offer me RM5.5k. Heck even their ad said RM6k to RM9k. Reject terus. Really just buang masa.
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post Sep 7 2021, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(RollInTheDark @ Sep 7 2021, 02:37 AM)
Somehow I don’t understand what’s the purpose if jump to same position with increment of just a few hundreds but lots of uncertainty.  unsure.gif
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As you move up, the range between the low and high end can be huge, am talking in thousands and can even surpass 10k.
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post Sep 7 2021, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(BLKH3 @ Sep 2 2021, 07:23 PM)
Yes, i read and watched all the salary negotiation tactics out there.
Delay talks of salary until employer falls in love with you first. Stall as long as possible yada yada yada etc etc. BUT
1) that works in the Western setting where they have different laws and setting, I have yet to read a piece of advice for Asian Malaysian setting and its employment practices.
2) some company really strict. if you don't provide expected salary, they move on to someone else. Now, imagine this job candidate has a family to feed.

In cases, like this, do you STILL play this delay-salary-talks-game as long as possible or just straight reveal your expected salary?

I can only think of way to counter this move. That is, reveal your expected salary, yes BUT when employer reveals their decided salary as well, you change your mind and ask for higher. Does this work??????????
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Just as there are many employees who 'test waters', employers may do so as well. No point thinking too much over it.

I just state what I want based on the role offered, and if they cannot meet, I walk away. If they play games at the onset, it is likely not a place I want to be.

 

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