Yes, i read and watched all the salary negotiation tactics out there.


Delay talks of salary until employer falls in love with you first. Stall as long as possible yada yada yada etc etc. BUT
1) that works in the Western setting where they have different laws and setting, I have yet to read a piece of advice for Asian Malaysian setting and its employment practices.
2) some company really strict. if you don't provide expected salary, they move on to someone else. Now, imagine this job candidate has a family to feed.

In cases, like this, do you STILL play this delay-salary-talks-game as long as possible or just straight reveal your expected salary?

I can only think of way to counter this move. That is, reveal your expected salary, yes BUT when employer reveals their decided salary as well, you change your mind and ask for higher. Does this work??????????

This post has been edited by BLKH3: Sep 2 2021, 07:25 PM

It's ok to disclose. It helps to save time. Upfront in the call I will just tell them my existing and am looking for an Industry standard 20 percent ....most of them tell me out of thier budget and I tell them thanks very much. Imagine going interview and wasting few people time that they will never get back

I am also thinking of going this route. Saves everybody time instead of playing games.

If u have the upper hand like really good skill or exp etc, then disclosing salary wont put you in bad position, but if are not that confident, then drag to make the hirer more confident so that you can gauge what number to give in the end...
my 2 cents

Just to be clear expected salary to me means my asking salary. Expected salary should match the market, which there is usually a range that you can aim for. Expected salary should not be based on your current/previous salary.

What I've done is state my asking salary usually after the 1st interview, sometimes during the 2nd interview. Most of my job interviews go at most 3 rounds.

I've not had any situation where the offer came back higher than my asking salary though.

This post has been edited by tishaban: Sep 2 2021, 11:42 PM

Based on my understanding, most dept have a budget when they approach a candidate. Then HR will have their own policy/ KPI I trying to save as much as possible from the budget.

Ultimately it rests on the hiring manager as they focus more on fit and work over the budget. If they really like the candidate, they can request HR to even exceed the budget (rare and lots of process work). Normally they will just choose a cheaper alternative if the difference is minimal unless it's for a very specialised or high impact job.

in an optimal setting, employer should pay according to market rate. ie. manager should get this much, supervisor get this much, etc.

but in malaysia, many employers look at current salary, give a 15-20% hike if they're generous, and negotiate from there.

the positions are secondary, if your salary bracket falls under 'manager', they'll give you the manager position.

then I can tell you, it might be reverse. Employer will ditch you after final interview, they always keep a few shortlisted candidate. No one is special enough to get the employer to falls in love, a lot of case is the employer is desperate due to low applicant. But it won't be a good job as you will be joining to fight a fire.

no, the employer won't pay you based on market rate. They will try to save as much as possible.

that's right, in Malaysia employers look at your current pay and decide on your comp package.

Not always true

There are some SMEs that understands that if they pay peanuts, they get ....

Also in MNCs typically the hiring manager is willing to pay any amount - it is the HR dept that is trying to lowball but unless the pay is way off the payscale, the hiring manager will get his/her way.

Last time when they ask for my expected salary, I asked questions like benefits/bonus. Else, it is very hard for me to give an estimated number. But the headhunter refused to give this so end up I gave a worst number (assuming no bonus, monthly salary had to be higher). At the end, I am not selected for an interview. Not sure am I wrong in this case?

Perhaps the recruiter you spoke with do not even know the C&B package of the company he/she is recruiting for........and hence h/she could not provide you a clear answer.

You may think your expected salary eliminated you from further consideration, but it could also be that the recruiter eliminated you for other less obvious reasons too (like you ask too many questions, you were "disrespectful" to him/her, could be anything really......so look forward and forget about this unhappy instance).

i have 1. requested 5.5k. then the HR said offer me 5.6k.. he said it was bcoz to make my last drawn >>> new salary looks nice, not X % (one digit) but XX % (2 digits)

then i said : ok thanks

Like that also can ah???

haha if thats the case he's one of the lucky ones..
most people don't get their expected

its like my expectation was abit low. .. haha..

Can you tell me what you do and your age??

that one was in shared service company, working in account department.

Nice!

I would guess that if that company was a big company or multinational, that role had a salary range and the lowest they could pay you was RM5.6k
Still as long as it benefits you then no harm done.

maybe...... haha...

Oh boy. As far as I know, the only possible way for mnc to provide good offer is the pay is off the payscale for that particular title. But back to that point, what makes Hiring manager to hire someone from lesser experience in compare with someone with already similar experience?

If I'm the hiring manager, I would always pick the one with most experience and if possible someone who hop from same position to similar position.

Not every hiring manager would prefer experienced candidates, especially if they're insecure.

The best negotiation tactic is the willingness to walk away.

State a number. Stand firm. You will have to reject a lot of offers. It's okay. Then one day, BAM, someone will be willing to match.

Malaysian banks and financial institutions are the worst. But even MNC can be really shitty. Got one German FI subsidiary, two rounds interview (until with CEO himself), I clearly stated I would want nothing less than RM6.5k. They had the balls to offer me RM5.5k. Heck even their ad said RM6k to RM9k. Reject terus. Really just buang masa.

This post has been edited by contestchris: Sep 6 2021, 07:45 PM

How old are you and what do you do????????

Pathetic but bloody true…

Somehow I don’t understand what’s the purpose if jump to same position with increment of just a few hundreds but lots of uncertainty.

some position have huge pay gap. So its not just few hundreds. But at the same times, you might surprised how some hiring manager's offer looks like. For e.g., you applied for senior manager at xyz and they come back offer you the same manager position you have at your current company.

Could be due to the work environment, issues with reporting managers etc. I have some colleagues who quit due to those reasons.

Deustche?

As you move up, the range between the low and high end can be huge, am talking in thousands and can even surpass 10k.

Just as there are many employees who 'test waters', employers may do so as well. No point thinking too much over it.

I just state what I want based on the role offered, and if they cannot meet, I walk away. If they play games at the onset, it is likely not a place I want to be.