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johnjenin	Sep 11 2007, 07:57 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #41
!~ Pura Vida ~! Senior Member 1,352 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Costa Rica	QUOTE(zickey @ Sep 11 2007, 07:39 PM) i agree with johnjenin points. maybe chinese didnt get enough chance in school.. but look at myteam selection open day. from there we can see just few of them come to take the challenge. Sorry to say. Chinese never give a try to become professional football player. Weekend in Penang. Try to have a visit to Penang Free School, futsal center, or any field. You can see talented player (Chinese) playing football. But when there is a chance for them to move to another level. where are they? I personally went to USM during MyTeam2 selection. But hard to find Chinese come for the trial. And none of the Chinese selected to final phase! What a shame. It's normal if its Kelantan. But this is Penang. Land where you can see Chinese everywhere. I personally felt disappointed.
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TSbhypp	Sep 11 2007, 08:02 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #42
Soviet Malaya! Senior Member 1,374 posts Joined: Sep 2005	no matter how good he is....hes no graduate in sport science or watever that he can contribute....hes a bloody politician with degree n political science n i bet hes not played any significant football in his life (as a player / coach / team manager) moreover, he didnt grew up in malaysia & IIRC, hes spend most of his life abroad....so is he really capable of even understanding the plight of our national footballl in the 1st place?? but it seems like we malaysians whu live in such multicultural nation is so tolerant when it comes to racists....KJ is a proven racists and hes still in charge of things n theres not even a big issue for him, a person whu has in fact defied the core principles of our country......racial tolerance n acceptance.....by his racists ideologies.... my take for this.....kick that KJ out of the assoc....then only answer the multiculturalism in sport n sport development n etc...coz if u dont get the right man.....the issues will never be resolved....simple as that....
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Duke Red	Sep 11 2007, 08:10 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #43
Look at all my stars!! Elite 6,112 posts Joined: Sep 2006 From: Earth	QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 11 2007, 07:22 PM) No point getting Datuk name just for the sake getting it. Still missing my point mate. I didn't bring up the 'Datuk' issue because I think he should get one. All I'm asking is if he would have got one if he weren't Chinese? I mean other people have got the title for doing much less. Again, I stress I'm not saying we should give him one. QUOTE(zickey @ Sep 11 2007, 07:39 PM) i agree with johnjenin points. maybe chinese didnt get enough chance in school.. but look at myteam selection open day. from there we can see just few of them come to take the challenge. Still the question goes unanswered. Why aren't the Chinese interested in trying out anymore? It wasn't always like this, so why now? Perhaps less Indians are trying out but they certainly aren't bad at the game. Only Nanthakumar features regularly. Why are the other races not trying out? Money? I don't think so. Me thinks it's due to sports politics. Who's and who's son getting into the team and so on. This post has been edited by Duke Red: Sep 11 2007, 08:11 PM
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demio121	Sep 11 2007, 08:38 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #44
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,084 posts Joined: Jul 2005	i personally don't think any change will happen. under those new guys at FAM, Malaysian football is not going anywhere either. Anyway, everyone deserve a chance. I'll see where FAM go from here. Remember what the new deputy said "If i don't perform, i'll quit". i see one name in the deputy list and i thought to myself there will be more Mat Rempit filling up the stadium in the future.
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sakaito	Sep 11 2007, 08:40 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #45
Regular Senior Member 1,366 posts Joined: Oct 2005	look at germany... all the top guys are footballers.... Bierhoff.. Klinsmann... Beckenbauer... Voller... same goes with England... France... Heck almost all nations in the top 50.... we need footballers... not politicians!! not royalties....!!
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johnjenin	Sep 11 2007, 08:43 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #46
!~ Pura Vida ~! Senior Member 1,352 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Costa Rica	QUOTE(bhypp @ Sep 11 2007, 08:02 PM) no matter how good he is....hes no graduate in sport science or watever that he can contribute....hes a bloody politician with degree n political science n i bet hes not played any significant football in his life (as a player / coach / team manager) moreover, he didnt grew up in malaysia & IIRC, hes spend most of his life abroad....so is he really capable of even understanding the plight of our national footballl in the 1st place?? but it seems like we malaysians whu live in such multicultural nation is so tolerant when it comes to racists....KJ is a proven racists and hes still in charge of things n theres not even a big issue for him, a person whu has in fact defied the core principles of our country......racial tolerance n acceptance.....by his racists ideologies.... my take for this.....kick that KJ out of the assoc....then only answer the multiculturalism in sport n sport development n etc...coz if u dont get the right man.....the issues will never be resolved....simple as that.... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Azzuddin expected to be named FAM's new sec-gen By ERIC SAMUEL PETALING JAYA: Datuk Azzuddin Ahmad (pic) is expected to be named by the FA of Malaysia as their new secretary general this week. Sultan Ahmad Shah, who was returned unopposed as president at the FAM Congress on Sunday, is likely to name Azzuddin for the job ahead of the other two candidates - Tan Sri Aseh Che Mat, the current FAM disciplinary board chairman, and FA of Selangor (FAS) secretary Hamidin Mohd Amin. Datuk Seri Dr Ibrahim Saad vacated the post on Aug 15 after serving out his two-year term. The Sultan said at the congress on Sunday that he was looking for someone with "brains" to fill the secretary general post. "He must be able to help me run FAM," said Sultan Ahmad when asked of the qualities he was looking for in the new secretary general. The 62-year-old Azzuddin, a retired lieutenant-general and former director of Military Intelligence, is no stranger in local football. He played for the national team in the early 1970s and also for the Armed Forces for nine years. He was also an FAM council member when he was secretary of the Armed Forces FA and later became the president of the association in the 1980s. After his retirement, he became an independent member of the FAM and was also the disciplinary board chairman for three years. He was at one time the referees' chairman. His last appointment was when he was named manager of the national Under-20 squad for the Asian Championships, which Malaysia qualified for the quarter-finals for the first time in 2004. Bro, you need to understand. KJ will not run the program. He will only get report from FAM's sec-gen. This time FAM sec-gen comes with football background. We can give a try. This candidate have an impressive CV
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teck_dq	Sep 11 2007, 08:48 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #47
~`HorriBLe Ador@bLe'~ Senior Member 1,148 posts Joined: Dec 2006 From: Jupiter	yeah,give them a try dude..the most important that the changes had already made..lets see whats going to happen to the Malaysian football
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TSbhypp	Sep 11 2007, 08:50 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #48
Soviet Malaya! Senior Member 1,374 posts Joined: Sep 2005	QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 11 2007, 08:43 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Azzuddin expected to be named FAM's new sec-gen By ERIC SAMUEL PETALING JAYA: Datuk Azzuddin Ahmad (pic) is expected to be named by the FA of Malaysia as their new secretary general this week. Sultan Ahmad Shah, who was returned unopposed as president at the FAM Congress on Sunday, is likely to name Azzuddin for the job ahead of the other two candidates - Tan Sri Aseh Che Mat, the current FAM disciplinary board chairman, and FA of Selangor (FAS) secretary Hamidin Mohd Amin. Datuk Seri Dr Ibrahim Saad vacated the post on Aug 15 after serving out his two-year term. The Sultan said at the congress on Sunday that he was looking for someone with "brains" to fill the secretary general post. "He must be able to help me run FAM," said Sultan Ahmad when asked of the qualities he was looking for in the new secretary general. The 62-year-old Azzuddin, a retired lieutenant-general and former director of Military Intelligence, is no stranger in local football. He played for the national team in the early 1970s and also for the Armed Forces for nine years. He was also an FAM council member when he was secretary of the Armed Forces FA and later became the president of the association in the 1980s. After his retirement, he became an independent member of the FAM and was also the disciplinary board chairman for three years. He was at one time the referees' chairman. His last appointment was when he was named manager of the national Under-20 squad for the Asian Championships, which Malaysia qualified for the quarter-finals for the first time in 2004. Bro, you need to understand. KJ will not run the program. He will only get report from FAM's sec-gen. This time FAM sec-gen comes with football background. We can give a try. This candidate have an impressive CV cool point taken....so wudnt that be even more ridiculous for him to be around??? no footballing experience, not running the assoc, then why is he even there?? thats not a place for a politicians like him....he as a politician shud be goin around, doing watever he wants in the politics but not here in a football assoc... if say hes there to 'tarik cable'....shudnt the sultan be doing that??? n for the new sec gen of FAM....of course we cant judge him rite now coz he havnt got anything done yet....so yea we'll see how it goes.....
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johnjenin	Sep 11 2007, 08:59 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #49
!~ Pura Vida ~! Senior Member 1,352 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Costa Rica	QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 11 2007, 08:10 PM) Still missing my point mate. I didn't bring up the 'Datuk' issue because I think he should get one. All I'm asking is if he would have got one if he weren't Chinese? I mean other people have got the title for doing much less. Again, I stress I'm not saying we should give him one. Let the politician get the Datuk title. I'm proud with Lim Teong Kim. He still Kedah legend. Colour of skins doesn't matter in football. I believe you know Dato Ahmad Basri. Person who loves to critic FAM because FAM cancel his football academy programme. If FAM want to improve we need somebody like him inside the organization. If you know Kedah captain A. Victor, he is spotted by Dato Ahmad Basri while playing at Kulim and he bring Victor to play with Kedah. And if you think racism happen, why Victor is appointed as our Captain? Better give it other Malay guys right... As Kedahan, I am proud to have K Soley, and V Thirumurugan in our squad. Colour of skin never play a role in our football. its a passion. Added on September 11, 2007, 9:04 pm QUOTE(bhypp @ Sep 11 2007, 08:50 PM) cool point taken....so wudnt that be even more ridiculous for him to be around??? no footballing experience, not running the assoc, then why is he even there?? thats not a place for a politicians like him....he as a politician shud be goin around, doing watever he wants in the politics but not here in a football assoc... if say hes there to 'tarik cable'....shudnt the sultan be doing that??? n for the new sec gen of FAM....of course we cant judge him rite now coz he havnt got anything done yet....so yea we'll see how it goes..... Let KJ pursuit his dream to become numbero uno. i dont care with him as long don't interrupt our football program and bring money to our League. What KJ wants is the name because football is sports no 1. If you think logically, would KJ let our football down? for sure he want to be our football hero. If our Malaysia squad suck, he also get bad name and people will start cursing him to go down like what happen to Ibrahim Saad and Raja Ahmad Zainuddin. So he will ensure everything is right This post has been edited by johnjenin: Sep 11 2007, 09:04 PM
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Duke Red	Sep 11 2007, 09:24 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #50
Look at all my stars!! Elite 6,112 posts Joined: Sep 2006 From: Earth	QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 11 2007, 08:59 PM) Let the politician get the Datuk title. I'm proud with Lim Teong Kim. He still Kedah legend. Colour of skins doesn't matter in football. Dude correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Lim Teong Kim play for KL? I thought Lee Kin Hong played for Kedah.
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TSbhypp	Sep 11 2007, 09:34 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #51
Soviet Malaya! Senior Member 1,374 posts Joined: Sep 2005	QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 11 2007, 08:59 PM) Added on September 11, 2007, 9:04 pm Let KJ pursuit his dream to become numbero uno. i dont care with him as long don't interrupt our football program and bring money to our League. What KJ wants is the name because football is sports no 1. If you think logically, would KJ let our football down? for sure he want to be our football hero. If our Malaysia squad suck, he also get bad name and people will start cursing him to go down like what happen to Ibrahim Saad and Raja Ahmad Zainuddin. So he will ensure everything is right lol....im seriously impressed by how u give so much room for KJ....well if say its an unknown guy or someones whus unproven at natonal level....then okay la...as i dont usually judge.......but KJ??? proven that the guy got no idea how to go bout things....juz look at his mat gemilang plan.....that shows how shallow a person he is la..... but heck all this rant aint gonna make him go away.....go i think i can juz ignore the fact that hes in the FAM.....
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emperor^10	Sep 11 2007, 10:46 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #52
---ManUtd Forever--- Senior Member 1,159 posts Joined: Aug 2006 From: Malacca & KL	How bout Datuk Soh Chin Aun... He make Malaccans & Malaysians proud... This is not racist but do give chances to everyone to prove themself... Look at Badminton!!! Think yourself Malaysian!!! Is this called Democratic??? :hmmm
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zepple	Sep 12 2007, 12:13 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #53
Getting Started Junior Member 135 posts Joined: Oct 2006	no mater what race he is, talent still prevail. last time i played in my school against smjk© we won like 5-0? or was it 4-0? but its always tough against smjk(t). Still wanna be democratic for democratic's sake? Just choose the best regardless the race.
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toshio14	Sep 12 2007, 12:31 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #54
Enthusiast Senior Member 704 posts Joined: Mar 2007 From: Malaysia	QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 11 2007, 09:24 PM) Dude correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Lim Teong Kim play for KL? I thought Lee Kin Hong played for Kedah. you are right, and you are wrong too Lim Teong Kim did played for KL, but he also play for Kedah. a Kedah legend for me too johnjenin and Lee Kin Hong is and always be a Kedah legend
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easypeasy	Sep 12 2007, 10:37 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #55
On my way Senior Member 564 posts Joined: Mar 2007	First things first, JohnJenin your comments are spot on, for me at least. _______________________________________________________________________ » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(sakaito @ Sep 11 2007, 04:38 AM) heck.. we know our under 19 and under 21 teams are quite good. so, why not results in 2 to 3 years time? only our senior teams been really dissappointing. Plus we need friendly matches against strong teams like Japan or Korea. Those teams we played against in Merdeka Tournament were somewhat ranked near or worse that us. if u ask me, they fixed it in such a way so that we will win the tournament. (1) Today very hot topic about RM3 karipap which cost RM0.30 only. They should look into FAM and they find out the RM80 balls were charged RM600 each (2) (1) Comments like that really pisses me off. When we win something people will say "Oh they play against weak team, we fixed the match la" and other bullshits. Dude seriously did you ever go to the stadium and watch the tourney? The U-23 team were different from the senior ones played for the Asian Cup. For me the U-23 played far greater football. They played extremely hard for the entire tourney and for me they deserved to be the champions. One particular match I remember when they played Myanmar in the group (where we lost 2-1), from start to finish they showed good attacking football and fantastic spirit to match Myanmar eventho we played with 10 men and only 1 striker for the entire match. (Note: the other striker was sent off from the 1st minute) All teams participated except 1 or 2 were ranked above us, and if I'm not mistaken Myanmar & Singapore fielded their SEA games first XI's. When the team played well, we give them credits, as the saying 'give credit when credit is due'. Some people eh... (2) Anyhow I agree wth did the FAM paying over the odds for the bloody balls. If the balls are the originals, not the replicas, then I'd understand. _______________________________________________________________________ » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(demio121 @ Sep 11 2007, 01:38 PM) i personally don't think any change will happen. under those new guys at FAM, Malaysian football is not going anywhere either. Anyway, everyone deserve a chance. I'll see where FAM go from here. Remember what the new deputy said "If i don't perform, i'll quit". i see one name in the deputy list and i thought to myself there will be more Mat Rempit filling up the stadium in the future. At least the stadia will be filled up. These days to get a 10K supporters inside a stadium is very hard, except the team is playing well or in the final.
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johnjenin	Sep 12 2007, 12:10 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #56
!~ Pura Vida ~! Senior Member 1,352 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Costa Rica	easypeasy, i agree with you. people only know how to complaint. you can see from their post. they only know how to criticize. but never give opinion on why this thing happen and what we need to do to improve it. and for sure, they never know about our local league. they just proud of EPL, La Liga, Seria, Bundes League and so on. And about Dato Soh Chin Aun. How we can give him a chance if he never pursue himself to get coach badge? he just settle down. But we still have good player who dedicate to help our football. Did you know who is Khan Hung Meng? who is Khor Seek Leng? Added on September 12, 2007, 12:12 pm QUOTE(toshio14 @ Sep 12 2007, 12:31 AM) you are right, and you are wrong too Lim Teong Kim did played for KL, but he also play for Kedah. a Kedah legend for me too johnjenin and Lee Kin Hong is and always be a Kedah legend Thanks for the answer NumberFourteen This post has been edited by johnjenin: Sep 12 2007, 12:12 PM
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sk41	Sep 12 2007, 12:35 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #57
On my way Senior Member 601 posts Joined: Jan 2003	Some funny stuff Malaysia Super League Top Goalscorer
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johnjenin	Sep 12 2007, 02:05 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #58
!~ Pura Vida ~! Senior Member 1,352 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Costa Rica	QUOTE(sk41 @ Sep 12 2007, 12:35 PM) Some funny stuff Malaysia Super League Top Goalscorer known issues. Last time Samy Vellu is the top scorer. Look like IT people who build and maintain this site really makan bola tido bola until forgot hot to secure it. And people who did it have nothing to do.
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toshio14	Sep 12 2007, 07:01 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #59
Enthusiast Senior Member 704 posts Joined: Mar 2007 From: Malaysia	haha..i know you'll recognize me from HKC, johnjenin i pretty much agree with everything johnjenin said, so nothing much to add. i find it really funny when last time i read somewhere in Football lounge (i think it's the CYC or Asia Cup topic) when people try to relate the failure of our national team to racial issue i.e. not enough chinese and indian in our national squad and too many malay. and then people try to relate the 2 issues again here. do you people who keep saying it really think that was the cause of our national football downfall? people need to understand that our failure/embarassment in the Asia Cup was due to the player selected was not the best currently in Malaysia at this time. Kedah are the treble champion this season and yet only 2 players selected for the national team (and 1 player who won the Best Midfield Player this season didn't play at all and instead use the dysfunctional combo of Shukor Adan and Fadzli Shaari). Perak is another strong team this season with Khalid absolutely on form before Asia Cup in local tournament but yet only 2 players selected (and Nantha was not even the 1st eleven to start with). am not saying we will win the Asia Cup if the selection was made more properly, but i can guarantee you that we will not be embarrassed like what happened during the Asia Cup. and johnjenin, i do think most of the people will need to google Khor Sek Leng in order to know who he is
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izwan810	Sep 13 2007, 02:13 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #60
Getting Started Junior Member 147 posts Joined: Jul 2006	no matter how good you are in football, you have no future in malaysia. its not the epl. pay isn't that good. maybe thats y not many people would wanna risk their life in malaysian football
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