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National Team the new FAM, reshuffled...but issit still a bad hand?

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sakaito
post Sep 10 2007, 07:36 PM

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OMG.. not Khairy Jamaluddin... there goes our football.. yet again...
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post Sep 10 2007, 08:04 PM

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I rather give them time to at least lay out their plan for Malaysian football first. this can be seen by so many ways e.g. the handling of national team, youth developments and our own football league. no point bashing them when they're just 1 days old holding the position.

and KJ did resign his position in the FAM after TM Pahang resign as Timbalan Presiden, claiming that he resigned out of respect to the TM'S decision to resign because it was TM who brought him into FAM in the first place. but even at that time I have a feeling that he'll be back sooner rather than later in FAM
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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Sep 10 2007, 08:04 PM)
I rather give them time to at least lay out their plan for Malaysian football first. this can be seen by so many ways e.g. the handling of national team, youth developments and our own football league. no point bashing them when they're just 1 days old holding the position.

and KJ did resign his position in the FAM after TM Pahang resign as Timbalan Presiden, claiming that he resigned out of respect to the TM'S decision to resign because it was TM who brought him into FAM in the first place. but even at that time I have a feeling that he'll be back sooner rather than later in FAM
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i agree......
i also hope that Khairy can bring fresh idea into FAM......
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post Sep 10 2007, 10:45 PM

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imho, the sultan of pahang should have stepped down,time for him to retire and leave the FAM to better hands.basically,since he became the president in 1984,our country's football team has been heading in only one direction,striaght into the drain.
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Same old same old.

Forgive me if I don't have any faith in them.
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post Sep 10 2007, 11:49 PM

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Grey.. i'm with u there... i'd give them 2 years and see how the development goes...

5 years the most...
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QUOTE(sakaito @ Sep 10 2007, 11:49 PM)
Grey.. i'm with u there... i'd give them 2 years and see how the development goes...

5 years the most...
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wait till for another Asian Cup.........if their qualified........

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post Sep 11 2007, 12:25 AM

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nah.. i'm not waiting that long for them.. we already f***ed up for Olympics, i don't think we'll make it to Asian games...
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post Sep 11 2007, 01:00 AM

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hope their can bring something new into FAM
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post Sep 11 2007, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(sakaito @ Sep 11 2007, 12:25 AM)
nah.. i'm not waiting that long for them.. we already f***ed up for Olympics, i don't think we'll make it to Asian games...
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we need get medal in SEA Games first before thinking about Asia Games and Olympic
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Sep 11 2007, 02:28 AM)
we need get medal in SEA Games first before thinking about Asia Games and Olympic
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thats right..dont need to be t0o ambitious..
do u think change the fam today and tomollow we will qualify to asia games? sweat.gif

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heck.. we know our under 19 and under 21 teams are quite good. so, why not results in 2 to 3 years time? only our senior teams been really dissappointing.

Plus we need friendly matches against strong teams like Japan or Korea. Those teams we played against in Merdeka Tournament were somewhat ranked near or worse that us. if u ask me, they fixed it in such a way so that we will win the tournament.

Today very hot topic about RM3 karipap which cost RM0.30 only. They should look into FAM and they find out the RM80 balls were charged RM600 each
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 10 2007, 04:47 PM)
My main concern is if this band of brothers is going to be able to get the other races involved in the team, like back in the good old days? It's no big secret that our teams (badminton, hockey and football) were more successful when it was more erm... 'muhibah'.
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QUOTE(renoma1972 @ Sep 10 2007, 05:34 PM)
ya, a lot chinese and indian love to play football ... as we can see in futsal ...
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I know that non-Malay have been critical of our football team bcoz the lack of non-Malay in it, but the reality is that not many non-Malays playing good football..love to play football does not translate into good in playing football..if non-Malays wants more non-Malays playing in the football national team, then non-Malays have to encourage non-Malays to play football at early stage and continues to play if they are good enough..

I'm not a fan of political figures or those with political aspirations taking over FAM, but lets give KJ a chance to prove himself he is up to the task
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post Sep 11 2007, 01:00 PM

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if u play good football. 4 sure u will given chance to proof. Sorry to say, for now i see Indian community have lot of passion to success in football than chinese.

And if you blame management are picky, lets take a look at Penang team next season. Penang will be handle by famous Moey Yoke Ham. I guarantee they will have limited Chinese player.

Think about our U23 squad handle by B Sathianathan. Why only Thiru cement his place inside the team? Think..
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post Sep 11 2007, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(zickey @ Sep 10 2007, 05:39 PM)
i think this not an issue.. we can have the team that involve all races in the team if they seriously had an ambition to be in the national football team. No offense here but i think does chinese school had their own football team? maybe they have but not being paid fully attention on it. They got money and they can build a team and give opportunities to chinese players to show their real talent but how many of them dare to take the challenge?
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Chinese schools get money? A lot of them don't even have money to replace old tables and chairs, let alone fund a football team. I doubt it's because the Chinese have any less interest in football. How many Chinese here played football or play futsal? I know I'm one of them. How many Chinamen bet on football? The interest is there. The question is why don't they pursue it as a career?

Why do you think it is there are less Chinese and Indian players these days? Is it the money? How much do footballers here get paid? Some of them earn more than the Chinamen selling Chicken rice, no? So maybe it isn't the money then. Racial politics perhaps? Maybe some are just sick with it. There must be a logical reason why, no? I mean it's happening in every other aspect of our country, who not sports? Has Lim Teong Kim been given a Datukship? Most people didn't even know he was at Bayern Munich.

I hate to make this seem racial but I don't have the answers to the questions above and I can't help but wonder.

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Disclaimer : This statement is based on my experience

Talking about Chinese school and football. I have a story.

I am from Chinese School. To be precise Sek Men Keat Hwa, Alor Star, Kedah. Among good school and excel in their education. You can see every year when gov announcing PMR, SPM and STPM result there will be top student coming from this school. In term of facility, everything great. Thanks to rich parent that sponsoring through PIBG.

But if you talk about sport especially football. Its really sad. Chinese is more oriented to play basketball. When PJ time only few people that playing football because they don't want to get dirty. Its end up less then 10 people playing 5 a side try to score between pair of shoe. But that was when I was form 1. Still OK

Form 2 and 3 u need to go to another Keat Hwa branch behind Wisma Persekutuan that damn small! i think like three times football field size. And guess what there is no football field at all! only basketball court. So what is the conclusion? Management like teacher, guru besar only target specific sport for their student to excel. If you are good playing ping pong, badminton, basketball and volleyball. Yes you will get what you want. But football? NO NO NO

From here you can see the direction why there is no Chinese excel in football. Because school never encourage their student to do so. I believe if they encourage, there will be representative from my school representing Alor Star and Kedah. Their target is to be the best school in academics! But my school have a good marching band too biggrin.gif

For school football team, we have a good teacher who willing to become coach, but lacks of support from school management. When there is announcement that there will be football squad selection, only few people turn up for it. Less than 25 people. So if you turn up, you will be selected. so good right? thumbup.gif

But even with this limitation, we able to build up a good squad. Because what? When i was form 2 we go until quarter final and lose out to Kolej Sultan Abdul Hamid [KSAH] where all state academy player come from. But only at group stage next year.

So if you want more Chinese to play football. You need to change development program at the grass root. We need to start from basics. Another thing is to educate parents to see footballer have a good career as badminton player. It's take times to change this mindset.

After i left my school, they build new building at the football field. I pity for students that enjoy playing football.

P/S: I dont think Lim Teong Kim deserve to get 'Datuk'. Any football player after Mokhtar Dahari doesn't deserved at all! Better give it to Badminton, Squash and Hockey player.
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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 11 2007, 05:19 PM)
P/S: I dont think Lim Teong Kim deserve to get 'Datuk'. Any football player after Mokhtar Dahari doesn't deserved at all! Better give it to Badminton, Squash and Hockey player.
You're missing my point here. I wasn't referring to him as a player but as a coach. We do after all award such titles to certain people who have sailed round the world or whatever right? What about someone that scaled Everest? What about someone who ends up coaching the youth team of one of the biggest football clubs in the world?

As for the Chinese school facilities, what about Chinese in government schools?
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Fifa bans association which mix politics into their football.

Ban FAM ?
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 11 2007, 05:38 PM)
You're missing my point here. I wasn't referring to him as a player but as a coach. We do after all award such titles to certain people who have sailed round the world or whatever right? What about someone that scaled Everest? What about someone who ends up coaching the youth team of one of the biggest football clubs in the world?

As for the Chinese school facilities, what about Chinese in government schools?
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Lim Teong Kim actually can play a big role in developing our football standard and encourage Chinese to choose football as career. But no body try to take Lim Teong Kim as role model to Chinese. Just once in a blue moon ask him to conduct clinic. So by few session will he bring any changes? NO

I'm not sure whether Lim Teong Kim happy at Germany developing his career. Does he have any intention to back to help our football? a lot of question remain unanswered. But we never try to approach him. He can HELP a lot!

No point getting Datuk name just for the sake getting it. It will wonderful if he can become our father of football in developing our standard where it use to be.

QUOTE(befitozi @ Sep 11 2007, 05:53 PM)
Fifa bans association which mix politics into their football.

Ban FAM ?
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FIFA can ban FAM if government interfere their operation. not political people coming into FAM
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i agree with johnjenin points. maybe chinese didnt get enough chance in school.. but look at myteam selection open day. from there we can see just few of them come to take the challenge.

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